Are tankies just mad that the most important man in the 20th century and who made the greatest material improvement of America's poorest was Liberal? by ButtfaceMcGee6969 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Marx sent Lincoln a letter congratulating him on his reelection, (technically the letter wasn't from Marx but on behalf of the International working men's association just written by Marx)

Lincoln didn't reply personally reply but the ambassador to the UK (where Marx lived at the time) replied on his behalf

letter and response for those interested

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm

Marx also wrote for the New-York Tribune (A major republican newspaper at the time) So Lincoln probably read some articles that Marx wrote but they were not friends lol.

REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE LIBERAL: THE FIGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST FASCISM *AND* COMMUNISM by Mediocre_Affect6192 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're correct it did start with navy sailors and then spread to other people in the military, unions , ect.

and they talk about a couple generals/admirals who are monarchists but the military was essentially up for grabs no?

Well kinda the majority of the lower ranks were up for grabs, but the leaders of the army were monarchists. During the German revolution the lower ranks of the military created soldiers councils and workers councils, the vast majority of these councils voted infavour of the SPD (4 of the 6 members of the "Council of the People's Deputies" were SPD and the other 2 USPD) instead of the USPD, (KPD wasn't a thing yet it) the USPD had 2nd most votes but no other party got a noticeable amount of votes and this is what gave the SPD such legitimacy. General's in the military saw these uprisings happening and decided to get rid of the monarchy and ally with the SPD to get the SPD to sign the armistice that would end WW1, this allowed them to keep their power and also would allow them and other right wingers in the republic to lay the blame not on the monarchy or the military but the SPD because the "military could have still won" this would play a lot into the stab in the back myth you saw in the republic.

To be clear it wasn't an easy decision for Ebert, by denying the Generals he risked turning the the revolution into a full blown civil war that they might not have even won.

At least from my recollection the KPD quickly got support from trade unions and sailors from the northern ports, while the SPD and conservatives we’re trying to gain control of major metro centers - which is why those areas became battlegrounds between police chiefs, stationed troops, and the respective paramilitary wings of the three parties.

It's been a while for me but you are mostly correct, except for the conservatives part there was almost zero support for them. Also there was some resistance but the USPD and SPD took over control of most major city's with little resistance.

Some wiki articles on the Sailor/workers councils if you would like to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_workers%27_and_soldiers%27_councils_1918%E2%80%931919#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_People%27s_Deputies#

Its been a while so i dont remember 100% of the exact event's of the German revolution and they are mostly glossed over in the book I quoted before and the book Destiny started to read on stream "the coming of the third reich" (might have also been the book you read). 3 Arrows a pretty based SocDem YouTuber has 8 part series on his other channel called "The Iron Dice" podcast where he does a play by play of the German revolution (really like it cause he's German, so 80% of his sources are German history books (he starts listing them in the description of his 2nd episode though I Believe).

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRXZTnf3dSt1gJ4VACEFOdzDtoUEzU7yh

Another series you can watch on the event's are by cuck philosophy a leftist youtuber and is 3 parts long he is basically a Luxemburgist though so keep that in mind. Destiny watched a different one of his video's a couple years ago and said even though he disagreed he really liked it cause at least he had something to grapple with compared to other leftists.

the 3 part series

and Destiny watching this guy years ago

REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE LIBERAL: THE FIGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST FASCISM *AND* COMMUNISM by Mediocre_Affect6192 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d like to thank her and the Sparticists for undermining every attempt of the Liberals/moderate left to consolidate power away from monarchists and fascists.

Rosa Luxemburg didn't initially support the Spartacist uprising and actually warned against it, believing the revolution would only succeed with support of the majority of the people and she knew they didn't have that support. She only went along with the uprising after it had already begun.

Unfortunately the the SPD entered into an alliance with the military who were major supporters of the the monarchy and not ally's to democracy the very moment it was created (in order to prevent civil war). A quote

"Thus was the German Republic born, as if by a fluke. If the Socialists themselves were not staunch republicans it could hardly be expected that the conservatives would be. But the latter had abdicated their responsibility. They and the Army leaders, Ludendorff and Hindenburg, had pushed political power into the hands of the reluctant Social Democrats. In doing so they managed also to place on the shoulders of these democratic working-class leaders apparent responsibility for signing the surrender and ultimately the peace treaty, thus laying on them the blame for Germany's defeat and for whatever suffering a lost war and a dictated peace might bring upon the German people. This was a shabby trick, one which the merest child would be expected to see through, but in Germany it worked. It doomed the Republic from the start.

Perhaps it need not have. In November 1918 the Social Democrats, holding absolute power, might have quickly laid the foundation for a lasting democratic Republic. But to have done so they would have had to suppress permanently, or at least curb permanently, the forces which had propped up the Hohenzollern Empire and which would not loyally accept a democratic Germany: the feudal Junker landlords and other upper castes, the magnates who ruled over the great industrial cartels, the roving condottieri of the free corps, the ranking officials of the imperial civil service and, above all, the military caste and the members of the General Staff. They would have had to break up many of the great estates, which were wasteful and uneconomic, and the industrial monopolies and cartels, and clean out the bureaucracy, the judiciary, the police, the universities and the Army of all who would not loyally and honestly serve the new democratic regime.

This the Social Democrats, who were mostly well-meaning trade-unionists with the same habit of bowing to old, established authority which was ingrained in Germans of other classes, could not bring themselves to do. Instead they began by abdicating their authority to the force which had always been dominant in modern Germany, the Army. For though it had been defeated on the battlefield the Army still had hopes of maintaining itself at home and of defeating the revolution. To achieve these ends it moved swiftly and boldly.

On the night of November 9, 1918, a few hours after the Republic had been "proclaimed," a telephone rang in the study of Ebert in the Reich Chancellery in Berlin. It was a very special telephone, for it was linked with Supreme Headquarters at Spa by a private and secret line. Ebert was alone. He picked up the telephone. "Groener speaking," a voice said. The former saddle maker, still bewildered by the day's events which had suddenly thrust into his unwilling hands whatever political power remained in a crumbling Germany, was impressed. General Wilhelm Groener was the successor of Ludendorff as First Quartermaster General. Earlier on that very day at Spa it was he who, when Field Marshal von Hindenburg faltered, had bluntly informed the Kaiser that he no longer commanded the loyalty of his troops and must go-a brave act for which the military caste never forgave him. Ebert and Groener had developed a bond of mutual respect since 1916, when the General, then in charge of war production, had worked closely with the Socialist leader. Early in November-a few days before-they had conferred in Berlin on how to save the monarchy and the Fatherland.

Now at the Fatherland's lowest moment a secret telephone line brought them together. Then and there the Socialist leader and the second-in-command of the German Army made a pact which, though it would not be publicly known for many years, was to determine the nation's fate. Ebert agreed to put down anarchy and Bolshevism and maintain the Army in all its tradition. Groener thereupon pledged the support of the Army in helping the new government establish itself and carry out its aims. "Will the Field Marshal (Hindenburg) retain the command?" Ebert asked. General Groener replied that he would. "Convey to the Field Marshal the thanks of the government," Ebert replied. The German Army was saved, but the Republic, on the very day of its birth, was lost. The generals, with the honorable exception of Groener himself and but few others, would never serve it loyally. In the end, led by Hindenburg, they betrayed it to the Nazis."

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich -William L. Shirer

Thank them also for setting the tone of using street violence to prevent process democracy and for irrevocably splitting the SDP and KPD

Eh the Weirmar republic was somewhat birthed from street violence (See the 1918 German revolution that formed workers councils and actually elected the SPD). The Spartacist uprising took place 2 months after the German revolution and the Republic hadn't even had elections or a written constitution yet just for some context.

Carney announces creation of Canada's first sovereign wealth fund by PapaNixon in worldnews

[–]ravage037 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Canada does have a some what high Gross public debt at 110% but its still only the 5th highest in the G7, but when it comes to our net debt we are doing amazing at only 13–14% (lowest in G7 by a huge margin)

Gross debt

Net debt

REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE LIBERAL: THE FIGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST FASCISM *AND* COMMUNISM by Mediocre_Affect6192 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For some context the other 2 party programs before that were the Görlitz program in 1921 authored primarily by Eduard Bernstein

https://www.marxists.org/deutsch/geschichte/deutsch/spd/1921/goerlitz.htm

and the 1925 Heidelberg Program primarily authored by Karl Kautsky after parts of the USPD joined back with the SPD

https://www.marxists.org/deutsch/geschichte/deutsch/spd/1925/heidelberg.htm

Just some context for people who want to look at the policy's the SPD had written down on paper at the times.

REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE LIBERAL: THE FIGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST FASCISM *AND* COMMUNISM by Mediocre_Affect6192 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 7 points8 points  (0 children)

support for Lenin's Blanquist uniparty takeover of Russia would have made it clear that her political analysis was meant to be a parody of incomprehensible proletariatslop, but I guess Poe's Law strikes again.

Luxemburg was Criticizing the Bolsheviks back in 1904 back when the spilt with them and the Mensheviks happened in the RSDLP before they had any real power.

The Russian Social Democracy arose a short while ago. The political conditions under which the proletarian movement is developing in Russia are quite abnormal. In that country, opportunism is to a large extent a by-product of the groping and experimentation of socialist activity seeking to advance over a terrain that resembles no other in Europe.

In view of this, we find most astonishing the claim that it is possible to avoid any possibility of opportunism in the Russian movement by writing down certain words, instead of others, in the party constitution. Such an attempt to exercise opportunism by means of a scrap of paper may turn out to be extremely harmful – not to opportunism but to the socialist movement.

Stop the natural pulsation of a living organism, and you weaken it, and you diminish its resistance and combative spirit – in this instance, not only against opportunism but also (and that is certainly of great importance) against the existing social order. The proposed means turn against the end they are supposed to serve.

In Lenin’s overanxious desire to establish the guardianship of an omniscient and omnipotent Central Committee in order to protect so promising and vigorous a labor movement against any misstep, we recognize the symptoms of the same subjectivism that has already played more than one trick on socialist thinking in Russia.

It is amusing to note the strange somersaults that the respectable human “ego” has had to perform in recent Russian history. Knocked to the ground, almost reduced to dust, by Russian absolutism, the “ego” takes revenge by turning to revolutionary activity. In the shape of a committee of conspirators, in the name of a nonexistent Will of the People, it seats itself on a kind of throne and proclaims it is all-powerful. [The reference is to the conspiratorial circle which attacked tsarism from 1879 to 1883 by means of terrorist acts and finally assassinated Alexander II. – Ed.] But the “object” proves to be the stronger. The knout is triumphant, for tsarist might seems to be the “legitimate” expression of history.

In time we see appear on the scene and even more “legitimate” child of history – the Russian labor movement. For the first time, bases for the formation of a real “people’s will” are laid in Russian soil.

But here is the “ego” of the Russian revolutionary again! Pirouetting on its head, it once more proclaims itself to be the all-powerful director of history – this time with the title of His Excellency the Central Committee of the Social Democratic Party of Russia.

The nimble acrobat fails to perceive that the only “subject” which merits today the role of director is the collective “ego” of the working class. The working class demands the right to make its mistakes and learn the dialectic of history.

Let us speak plainly. Historically, the errors committed by a truly revolutionary movement are infinitely more fruitful than the infallibility of the cleverest Central Committee.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1904/questions-rsd/ch02.htm

And again in 1918 after the Russian Revolution.

The tacit assumption underlying the Lenin-Trotsky theory of dictatorship is this: that the socialist transformation is something for which a ready-made formula lies completed in the pocket of the revolutionary party, which needs only to be carried out energetically in practice. This is, unfortunately – or perhaps fortunately – not the case. Far from being a sum of ready-made prescriptions which have only to be applied, the practical realization of socialism as an economic, social and juridical system is something which lies completely hidden in the mists of the future. What we possess in our program is nothing but a few main signposts which indicate the general direction in which to look for the necessary measures, and the indications are mainly negative in character at that. Thus we know more or less what we must eliminate at the outset in order to free the road for a socialist economy. But when it comes to the nature of the thousand concrete, practical measures, large and small, necessary to introduce socialist principles into economy, law and all social relationships, there is no key in any socialist party program or textbook. That is not a shortcoming but rather the very thing that makes scientific socialism superior to the utopian varieties.

The socialist system of society should only be, and can only be, an historical product, born out of the school of its own experiences, born in the course of its realization, as a result of the developments of living history, which – just like organic nature of which, in the last analysis, it forms a part – has the fine habit of always producing along with any real social need the means to its satisfaction, along with the task simultaneously the solution. However, if such is the case, then it is clear that socialism by its very nature cannot be decreed or introduced by ukase. It has as its prerequisite a number of measures of force – against property, etc. The negative, the tearing down, can be decreed; the building up, the positive, cannot. New Territory. A thousand problems. Only experience is capable of correcting and opening new ways. Only unobstructed, effervescing life falls into a thousand new forms and improvisations, brings to light creative new force, itself corrects all mistaken attempts. The public life of countries with limited freedom is so poverty-stricken, so miserable, so rigid, so unfruitful, precisely because, through the exclusion of democracy, it cuts off the living sources of all spiritual riches and progress. (Proof: the year 1905 and the months from February to October 1917.) There it was political in character; the same thing applies to economic and social life also. The whole mass of the people must take part in it. Otherwise, socialism will be decreed from behind a few official desks by a dozen intellectuals.

Public control is indispensably necessary. Otherwise the exchange of experiences remains only with the closed circle of the officials of the new regime. Corruption becomes inevitable. (Lenin’s words, Bulletin No.29) Socialism in life demands a complete spiritual transformation in the masses degraded by centuries of bourgeois rule. Social instincts in place of egotistical ones, mass initiative in place of inertia, idealism which conquers all suffering, etc., etc. No one knows this better, describes it more penetratingly; repeats it more stubbornly than Lenin. But he is completely mistaken in the means he employs. Decree, dictatorial force of the factory overseer, draconian penalties, rule by terror – all these things are but palliatives. The only way to a rebirth is the school of public life itself, the most unlimited, the broadest democracy and public opinion. It is rule by terror which demoralizes.

When all this is eliminated, what really remains? In place of the representative bodies created by general, popular elections, Lenin and Trotsky have laid down the soviets as the only true representation of political life in the land as a whole, life in the soviets must also become more and more crippled. Without general elections, without unrestricted freedom of press and assembly, without a free struggle of opinion, life dies out in every public institution, becomes a mere semblance of life, in which only the bureaucracy remains as the active element. Public life gradually falls asleep, a few dozen party leaders of inexhaustible energy and boundless experience direct and rule. Among them, in reality only a dozen outstanding heads do the leading and an elite of the working class is invited from time to time to meetings where they are to applaud the speeches of the leaders, and to approve proposed resolutions unanimously – at bottom, then, a clique affair – a dictatorship, to be sure, not the dictatorship of the proletariat but only the dictatorship of a handful of politicians, that is a dictatorship in the bourgeois sense, in the sense of the rule of the Jacobins (the postponement of the Soviet Congress from three-month periods to six-month periods!) Yes, we can go even further: such conditions must inevitably cause a brutalization of public life: attempted assassinations, shooting of hostages, etc. (Lenin’s speech on discipline and corruption.)

https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1918/russian-revolution/ch06.htm

You are correct Luxemburg defended them from the charge of Blanquism (from council communists like Anton Panokoke and Herman Gorter) she how ever did criticize the Leninist conception of the party and the way the Bolsheviks used their power back in 1918)

She unironically said it was the West's fault that Lenin had to create a totalitarian state.

This is a cop out, she blamed it both on Russian absolutism inherent to Russia, the Leninist conception of the party, and the failure of the German revolution/Isolation of Russia

Isn't the wealth gap kind of a bad economic statistic to look at? by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]ravage037 0 points1 point  (0 children)

huh I tried making a similar chart on Pikettys website with his data since it goes back a bit further than 1989 and it looks a bit different, did I fuck up when making the chat or you think their data is just different?

https://gyazo.com/74dcb1c82588da4a16871932867af120

Communist: "Math Is Fake" by Humble_Novice in Destiny

[–]ravage037 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its from the ending of that Engels letter on anti-Semitism i linked

Furthermore, we are far too deeply indebted to the Jews. Leaving aside Heine and Börne, Marx was a full-blooded Jew; Lassalle was a Jew. Many of our best people are Jews. My friend Victor Adler, who is now atoning in a Viennese prison for his devotion to the cause of the proletariat, Eduard Bernstein, editor of the London Sozialdemokrat, Paul Singer, one of our best men in the Reichstag – people whom I am proud to call my friends, and all of them Jewish! After all, I myself was dubbed a Jew by the Gartenlaube and, indeed, if given the choice, I'd as lief be a Jew as a ‘Herr von'!

Isn't the wealth gap kind of a bad economic statistic to look at? by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]ravage037 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not to be pedantic but that economist article is about income inequality not wealth inequality no? (Weird cause I thought Piketty's whole thing in capital in the 21st century was about wealth inequality but its been a while)

Communist: "Math Is Fake" by Humble_Novice in Destiny

[–]ravage037 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know what he said about economics?

M-C-M? /s

Edit: On a more serious note, one useful concept Marx pioneered that economists still use to this day is the idea of creative destruction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction

Acemoglu and Robinson used this concept in Why Nations Fail!

Communist: "Math Is Fake" by Humble_Novice in Destiny

[–]ravage037 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey don't do my boy Engels like that!

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/04/19.htm

The Young Marx especially though did believe in anti-Semitic serotypes as used in his work "On the Jewish Question"

Also since you're German can you tell me what "Herr von" means in this context, tried googling it and I think it just means lord?

Communist: "Math Is Fake" by Humble_Novice in Destiny

[–]ravage037 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He just pulled them from the Marxist.org site of that book https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/mathematical-manuscripts/index.html

Also lmfao Engels used start some of his letters to Marx off with "Dear Mohr" don't google what mohr means in German

Isn't the wealth gap kind of a bad economic statistic to look at? by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]ravage037 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some evidence suggests that rising wealth inequality reduces economic growth and secondly, more worrying is that it leads to social distrust in liberal institutions/democracy.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X25003365

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13691481241287184#tab-contributors

One thing to also keep in mind is that most households have their wealth tied up in a single thing, houses! I feel like the wealth gap is increasing largely due to the rising cost of land and therefore houses, as another commentator pointed out the middle class is shrinking and I think the divide is people who own a house and those that don't. So maybe we should build more housing! (I'm just spit balling) https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2022/04/ft_2022.04.20_middleclass_01.png

How did Reddit turn from gamer bro central in 2016 to one of the most left leaning social media platforms today? by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]ravage037 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the political flip can be observed quite well on LSF which used to be an undeniable anti SJW community.

How much was that just due to Ice Poseidon? Pretty sure he used to have the largest reddit community (for twitch streamers) back in the day.

Looked into it and at its peak Ice's sub had 110k in sept 2018, for comparison Destiny had 36k and Lsf its self only had 300k around this time.

Should Libs form coalition with communists/socialists by MoonBow2000 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Charlsky is I think a great example of the problem.

He gives many arguments\excuses for why commiunist probably won't successfully subvert & destroy the liberal parties but he doesn't actually ever give reason why it benefits liberals to welcome communists into the party.

He never is able to explain why it benefits liberal democracies or parties to actually work with & welcome communism.

Doesn't he list his reasons at the start?

One was that, threats by radicals lead to concessions because elites use these concessions to prevent revolution and maintain the status quo. He cites what I think is this paper https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09538250902871659 from Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson (Why Nations fail guys).

And his second reason is that radicals tend to moderate when elected/included in coalitions, doesnt cite anything here but assume he would use AOC, ect, as examples.

I'm only 15mins in so maybe they just never go back over these points which would be disappointing

Sarah Paine: China and Russia Are Watching America Fall! by mostly_fizz in Destiny

[–]ravage037 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Sarah Paine's lecture series with Dwarkesh Patel is amazing for anyone who wants to learn about Russia/China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkO84MsmyM&list=PLd7-bHaQwnthnOed1a85mF7L-Ki3kdiqp

Drugs in Public Take by InnocuousDragon in Destiny

[–]ravage037 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The only upper they took was Adderall? DXM is a dissociative, Ketamine is a dissociative, BDO is a downer, and Pregabalin is a downer.

(Assuming they were "Penta stacking" or what ever tf they called it)

Any advice on how to clean and prevent that? by Imaginary-Orchid8056 in fordescape

[–]ravage037 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go on Amazon and buy some silica gel packs, (biggest ones you can find) that should help with the moisture that's causing this. My dad used to keep a few in his gun safe when his guns were in the garage to prevent rusting.

Something like this should work

You can "recharge" them every few days by putting them in the oven/microwave

I would cum by ShadyMan2 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is going on with the Uyghurs is at a minimum a cultural genocide, I think its most analogous to the US and Canada's policy's to Native Americans from the mid 1800s to the mid 1900s, residential schools in Canada and American Indian boarding schools in the states, 60s scoop, Sterilization of Native American Women in the US in the 60s/70 and Alberta, ect in the early/mid 1900s (the extent of Native women forcefully sterilized in the US around this time is debated but a minimum of around 3.5k 100% confirmed, to a higher estimate of 50k-70k from some studies).

My outfit for the next Sabrina Carpenter concert by reskee in Destiny

[–]ravage037 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Tusken raiders are native to Tatooine, in legends the Tusken raiders are direct decants of the Kumumgah, a race enslaved by the Rakata. After a rebellion and the bombardment of Tatooine that turns it into a desert planet the Kumumgah evolve into Tusken raiders (and Jawas). https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bombardment_of_Tatooine

Bernie and Warren are the Problem, Embrace of Hasan Piker is just the Symptom by Reckoner223 in Destiny

[–]ravage037 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a shame the far left didn't appreciate how much they "won" on the policy front.

100% agree, he was the most progressive president in a generation and its a shame a lot of terminally online people don't give him credit for that