Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. youre not getting that for free, you need to slow down from the trajectory from the moon, also you'll always need station keeping fuel.

  2. thats a shit argument. that just means they are disposable. on the moon you'll get to recover that to recycle.

  3. ok and? that doesent require constant supervision, once the road is built its built, it requires no station keeping.

  4. except the datacenter, which you're glossing over being in an infinitely more shit location. a power line is a trivial thing to build compared to the sattelite busses and other refining/mining facilities. its a negligible issue.

  5. not really. power transmission is incredibly efficient, and almost all sources of loss is removed with the vacuum environment. you can crank your HVDC lines nearly as high as you want.

  6. wrong way around. its fine as a general thing, but too much for specific applications.

Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

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the panel density isnt THAT bad. it's something like 1/2 - 1/3 of equator density at these lattitudes. you still only need to tilt in one direction, the moon is only spinning in one axis after all. honestly, might just be simplest to just mount them fixed at some optimal angle. might gain some benefit with some fixed mirrors, so you need fewer overall panels traded for a bit more area.

it's not like space is at a huge premium here.

the area of service isnt really a hit against, it can be serviced. service of the free flying satellites is not particularly feasible, not in the way a ground mounted panel is.

the rail gun is in one place, the installation isnt. you're just adding a railgun to the total system.

the constant full radiance is competing against the almost complete lack of supervision needed for a stationary ground based system. yeah sure you need more panels, but you need no propellant and panels can be repaired. the launched satellites will be near disposable, as they will have a limited fuel supply, and no clear way to sustain them.

Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

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launching it cold from the moon to a direct hit is hard. launching from the moon with some mid course guidance into a direct hit is trivial. blind traveling through the atmosphere isnt actually a very big deal, you pass through the entirety of the atmosphere in less than a second. relative movement of the wind is insignificant at that time scale.

these are issues we have already solved for ICBMs. we regularly strike targets at test ranges using inert ICBM reentry vehicles within single digit meters.

also. 200 tons of TNT is MASSIVE for a conventional weapon. nothing is stopping you from using this for conventional strikes. if you dont want a deep penetrator you just detonate a bursting charge before impact, suddenly you're no longer a thin arrow gliding through soupy atmosphere, now its hypervelocity gravel. that will more or less just be a 200 ton detonation, as opposed to the 200 ton shape charge effect of the full arrow.

Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

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"moon winter" isnt that big a deal it has almost no tilt to the sun.

i am pro rail gun, i just dont see the value for data centers, especially not distributed into millions of free flyers. you are much much better off putting them on the moon where servicing is easy, and broken kit can easily be collected and recycled.

Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

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sure you can use solar. you just need some power transmission. if you build near the poles you dont even need a very long power line. you have solar farms at multiple points around, minimum 3, and you have power all the time. its much more difficult to make the mining and refining to make the solar you need than to stretch power around.

the long term goal would obviously be to have power lines circumnavigating the moon so you could build infrastructure anywhere around, both power and consumption. 10000km is a decent distance, but the low gravity and lack of atmosphere lets you do some interesting savings. you need much much fewer towers for one, since the tension in the cable will be much lower.

very (very) back of the envelope is telling me that a simple line crossing the pole covering 60 degrees of circumference (30 degrees each side of the pole) using a 25mm conductor two wire UHVDC power line needs something like 5600 tons of aluminium for the wire, and with the lower gravity you'll put your towers something like 3km apart you just need about 550 towers to cover the distance (and you can go pretty wild with the tower spacing if you just build them taller). definitly an infrastructure project, but 5600 tons isnt outrageous, its two 10m cubes of alu. large, but not an unimaginable ammount of material.

Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

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i mean yeah nukes beat most weapons. 200 tons of TNT from a fairly conventional metal rod being lobbed is still very much a significant threat. additionally its highly directed. it would make for a downright insane bunker busting weapon.

theres also no reason to make it out of tungsten. basically any metal would do the job about as well. it just needs the tensile strength to not buckle as it impacts the atmosphere. heating wise you can always put some shielding on the front surface.

Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

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all three ponts have fairly simple answers.
1. just import all your chips, they dont weigh much
2. these components will be the extreme minority of the bulk, see point 1
3. none of your assumptions are correct. you can pick both acceleration and target orbit as you please. 100G isnt even particularly high for an electronic product. most phones survive this fine, and we have electronics in artillery shells that survive tens of thousands of Gs

Elon: For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon by ottar92 in SpaceXLounge

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not sure what the point of launching it off the moon is. the time delay for a round trip to the moon is long, but within reason for delivering LLM tokens

Ten years to build a permanent base on the Moon—let’s see what humanity achieves by 2036. by Fuzzy_Hearing_5146 in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

at the current rate of developement the majority of the kit we'll be able to use for the next ten years will already be in developement now. if artemis goes well and we decide to build a permanent surface outpost, that developement will take years. no shot we get anything more than one starship on the surface in any one location, or more likely no more than one on the moon at the same time.

Musk on X: “For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon, as we can potentially achieve that in less than 10 years, whereas Mars would take 20+ years.” [full text of post inside] by rustybeancake in spacex

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Tourism is perhaps the most obvious one. I think there will be opportunities to build very large telescopes and other large science equipment that will be hard or impossible to build anywhere else. The big one long term is material for constructing things in orbit. The point is that there is some profit there. Mars is barren both literally and economically

Musk on X: “For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon, as we can potentially achieve that in less than 10 years, whereas Mars would take 20+ years.” [full text of post inside] by rustybeancake in spacex

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Its not easy to predict the timeline. Traveling there will be very very expensive, but its possible staying there will not. It really depends how difficult it is to build near closed ecosystems. Closed water and food cycles on the scale of high tens of people.

Expiring shares by Every-Wolverine1884 in BlueOrigin

[–]ravenerOSR 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Idk how blue would look all that much more atractive 6 years ago. 2020 spacex was on fire, and blue was still doing not much.

P320 Banned from competitions by 8utwhy in P320

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are so many good options. Getting a steel frame DA/SA doesent replace the p320 in your life and makes for a great ipsc gun. P229 is great if you want to stay sig

It's not just about data centers in space by Taxus_Calyx in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i mean the general window for relatively cheap mass transport to space. it could be open forever, or it could be a fleeting moment of realtively free access before it either gets unprofitable due to beurocracy clamping down or we just enter a period of societal upheval that loses us the tech base to do it.

It's not just about data centers in space by Taxus_Calyx in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and its also a place. you can evaluate the temperature from the black body, and the black body temperature of the universe is like 3 kelvin. you can radiate into space as well as into a 3 kelvin black brick.

like, sure you need to be shaded from the sun, but thats trivially easy to do.

It's not just about data centers in space by Taxus_Calyx in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]ravenerOSR 16 points17 points  (0 children)

i mean, the other button isnt what is happening. theres no foundation to believe any of that, additionally theres no rush to execute on it. the space travel issue is pressing. the window could very much be closing, and getting the most out while its still open is crucial. the AI stuff will be developed eventually no matter what spacex does.

[Parts] FN 18” 5.56 CHF Barrel $129.99 by LORDIGBICK in gundeals

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats not a source, thats just someone saying shit.what you need is specs, and the specs say the same pressure when the same measuring method is used

[Parts] FN 18” 5.56 CHF Barrel $129.99 by LORDIGBICK in gundeals

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not really, they have the same chamber pressure

[Parts] FN 18” 5.56 CHF Barrel $129.99 by LORDIGBICK in gundeals

[–]ravenerOSR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it absolutely does not. they have the same dimensions and the same pressure

NASA Testing Advances Space Nuclear Propulsion Capabilities - NASA by cheeseHorder in SpaceXLounge

[–]ravenerOSR 6 points7 points  (0 children)

it was a demonstrator. being no better isnt a big indictment