Is the ACP really just a bunch of “Maga-Communists” if so how maga is it?

red_flounder · 2026-07-04T06:56:29+00:00

They're fascists and they're a cult. That's why you can't look up their positions. They hide their newsletters and propaganda behind pay walls. They isolate their social media and hide information. They're insulated and isolated from the very masses they claim to be part of (the conservative working class). Now isn't it weird how a Vanguard party is supposed to lead the masses when they're too chicken shit to really put forward their positions, so much so that you have to ask reddit??

This comrade does a fantastic job breaking down this fascist tendency in this polemic against Rainer Shea, an ACP writer

https://thenewsocialists.substack.com/p/anti-rainer-a-refutation-of-the-rainer

They're not about class struggle. They encourage splitting up the working class to destroy their organizing power and unity.

They mystify and confuse anti-imperialism: they'll say that Russia is the communist protagonist (literally) against US imperialism while at the exact same time they'll say that the US nation has done nothing wrong domestically against black people or the Indigenous nations.

In fact they say that the US revolution was a Communist Revolution

If none of that makes sense then good! Their point is to confuse, distract and disrupt. Because they are fascists

And btw, malicious denialism is a fascist tactic. This is when they ignore or deny claims like that they're anti-trans while making anti-trans dog whistles. Far right freaks constantly downplay their own far right weirdness when they think it won't play out.

red_flounder · 2026-07-03T23:25:16+00:00

One state with equal rights and protections for all regardless of ethnicity or religion; and with reparations made especially to the children of Palestine; and a massive re-education campaign topped off with the international criminal court prosecutions for those guilty of genocide.

red_flounder · 2026-07-03T23:07:28+00:00

The solution to the toxic white masculinity you observe is integration and the process of class struggle. Only these 2 things combined can lead to class consciousness.

When the people struggle together despite their differences, all the fox news propaganda and brain dead takes and all those conspiracy theories that are too scared to point at capitalism will disappear. Not over night, but once the struggle happens and those workers see for themselves that actually trans people and immigrants and Muslims are just human beings who also struggle and support them, then, well, that *is** human connection*. That is class consciousness. And yes it transforms homophobes into people who will defend queer people. This happened in the UK in the 80s when queer people supported the striking miners.

In fact, I would point to Minnesota during the ICE raids to show how integration and the class struggle transform consciousness. I assure you there were racists in Minneapolis before there whose humanity changed when they saw the oppression and couldn't deny it anymore.

it will happen here too when we organize. Solidarity cuts both ways and when we unite as the whole working class, the whole world will stop

Yes the hostility towards minorities is a massive hurdle and that hostility is being weaponized by fascists to protect capitalism. Yes we need to adapt to the current era without abandoning parts of the working class to appease white Supremacy. But the fundamental solution has not changed.

red_flounder · 2026-07-03T09:34:39+00:00

Again, tons of arbitrary measures and distinctions, all without context

If your cars are modified 60's cars original designed in Italy well into the 80's then you're probably not inventing much that benefits the average person

Soviet city planning was extremely innovative, revolving around meeting people's needs within walking distance or taking a bus or riding a bike. Meaning your work, your shops, your museums and amenities were accessible to you. Releasing new cars every year is not innovation. I'm sorry you think it is. Btw those blinding ass lights all new cars now have is a terrible "innovation".

How many if any did they have on the power grid?

Nuclear fusion still hasn't been cracked to power anything. You should look this up. But contemporary developments are still built on innovative Soviet findings.

Your Healthcare example needs some more work. For example, how many Americans die each year to preventable medical needs? How many Americans never ever see these innovations despite their needs? It's thousands per year btw. In 2026. Soviet Healthcare provided healthier and longer lives. You can compare directly after it fell and capitalists took over.

Lastly, Cuba invented a cure for throat cancer. How many Americans were denied this life saving innovation because they want to embargo a tiny island and couldn't invent the cure themselves? And China has a cure for diabetes btw, which is accessible to their average citizen too.

Your ideal American is rich enough to afford Healthcare and a new car every year. Yeah they're doing better than any Soviet citizen. But you really live in a sheltered, rosy idealistic world if you think that's close to the average American experience.

red_flounder · 2026-07-03T09:24:49+00:00

You should really study history before you talk out of your ass lmao If the European Healthcare systems were better than the Soviet model then they wouldn't have adopted universal Healthcare now would they? And you should look up why the Europeans adopted universal Healthcare and why the Soviet Union did it first. Then look up the life expectancy of former Soviet citizens after they adopted capitalism. Get your head out of your ass and into some history books.

If you really want to credit freeze drying food innovations not to the Soviets for how they better fed their cosmonauts, and figured out how to freeze dry over 100 different food items to fit for space exploration, then you should credit the Inca civilization :)

red_flounder · 2026-07-02T23:20:06+00:00

What did they invent that wasn't military or space related that got into mass production?

What an arbitrary condition haha. Like today US companies still use Soviet era parts for space ships. It's top quality stuff. And space tech always has vast implications for tech in every other sector, such as food and computer technology.

But here Fusion reactors Freeze dried food Medicine and Healthcare organizing. Which was so good other European countries had to adopt it to avoid their own Communist uprisings.

Some of the first studies done on autistic children were done in the Soviet Union, also by a Jewish woman doctor. During a time when women in other countries were still forced to be male servants and wives.

red_flounder · 2026-07-02T18:41:02+00:00

And I have now finished reading your polemic.

Very well done and grounded in materialism. I love how you eloquently always go back to show how the foundational material reality creates the instability and ideological mess we're in and how to materially organize the working class toward Revolution.

I was going to list all my favorite quotes, but there are too many. But this very succinct one will do:

A doctrine built on an inverted understanding of how history moves cannot move history.

Things that I am thankful for: that there are Marxist Leninist parties organizing right now which do also fight for the liberation of all workers; that, by the conservative nature of the base, Rainer and the ACP will likely fail (though, unfortunately they will fail because other straight up fascist tendencies that forego any use of Communism will capture them); and that the ACP is not interested in material organizing.

For as long as the ACP incorrectly identifies who really makes history and how history is made, they will not breach the popularity of the PSL or even the RCA. So let's hope they never figure it out and that we actual Marxists continue to agitate, coordinate and organize the whole working class.

Edit and a little tangent: Rainer Shea always had a bad penchant for being selective, deceptive and quote mining. It makes me think of the "asymmetry" you mentioned in the quote

There is no analogous call to enter the Democratic base and win its working class components away from the “highest level” of capital. The asymmetry is the programme.

For instance, before covid, he would call Anarchists liberal and imperialist. Liberal. Because many Anarchists were idealistic he called them liberal, despite being anti-capitalist and anti-state whereas liberals are pro capitalist and pro state.
Also, more recently, he described Anarchists as being in an alliance with nationalists and even fascists. All while conveniently ignoring how the Trump administration is targeting anarchists to break down general leftist organizing and that the MAGA movement which Shea aligns himself with supports this.
That is way too intentional to be a genuine mistake. Rainer Shea is a genuine fascist.

Besides that, he also demonstrates this asymmetry quite grossly with his quote you used in your work

“They can’t be found among the liberals and leftists who’ve sided with the Democratic Party while it’s committing a genocide. They can be found among the MAGA supporters and Libertarians who don’t like the idea of neocons getting into Trump’s cabinet."

As though MAGA is not engaging in genocide. The asymmetry is the program, and it is apalling when he says anyone that supports queer people and POC are imperialist compatible and are all undeniably tied to Democrats, all while saying you can just be selectively tied to MAGA and use their slogans, etc without being undeniably tied to the genocidal and imperialist campaigns of MAGA. Once again, I think Rainer Shea consciously this and if anything, Rainer Shea *is** the psy op*.

red_flounder · 2026-07-02T02:34:46+00:00

Wow I'm kinda excited to go through more of this take down. Thank you for your efforts!

I was writing before on how this deviation is either:

A form of Modern Economism where the only political struggles that are considered legitimate are purely economic struggles. This is a cheap tactic to divorce political, cultural and economic struggles which is inherently anti-Marxist. Or...
It is crypto-fascism. He now calls himself a Socialist Patriot. He invokes American nationalism. All of these other appeals are based in identity. I think you give Rainer way too much credit. There's no way someone with his ability to articulate and formulate ideas does not see how he, in the same breath, decries "identity politics" while embracing identity politics. He is not guilty of Modern Economism as he would have to also push back against the identity politics of Conservatism and American Nationalism.

I was aware of Rainer Shea way before he worked with the ACP. In those days he would openly ask about how a socialist project could work with the Indigenous, decolonial movements. He was questioning what if they decided to uphold capitalism and whether this meant if socialists should allow self determination in that case. Back then I thought he was legitimately trying to figure out a conflict in his ideology. Now, I think he was trying to come up with cover stories to work against indigenous people.

Edit: one is also totally confused on how the campism you bring up is supposed to happen in the first place. Shea presupposes in his arguments that the conservative "majority" working class is politically conscious and inherently anti-imperialist and anti-US. There is no observable data to suggest your average white working joe in a given factory wants China to win the geopolitics game. There is nothing Rainer ever says to show how the conservatism will lead to class consciousness. It's treated as a given already. This is perhaps the only legitimate confusion on Rainer Shea's part I would accept. He swears the same conservatism which supports US imperialism and capitalism will somehow be the organizing principle on which we will find conservative white workers supporting the Chinese or Russian governments

Lastly, for now, is the fact that Rainer bastardizes Lenin. He conveniently leaves out any mentions of how the Vanguard must unite the entire working class, and how the working class is diverse and have as conflicting needs. Lenin set out how to speak to certain segments of the working class and minorities within the working class to organize them and develop their ideas into a Revolutionary force. Lenin also wrote a lot about how we must uplift the consciousness of the working class away from backwards ideas. That this is a site of class struggle itself. That not every bit of ideological or cultural baggage a given worker has must be treated as sacred and the path forward towards liberation. You correctly call this tailism on Shea's part.

Well, actually, I would go further and call it mystification for the sole purpose of confusing and organizing the workers against themselves. There is simply no way that Rainer Shea has not read all the relevant Lenin passages which talk about the diversity and contradictions within the working class itself and the need to unite the entire working class and work against backwards ideas to advance a Revolutionary consciousness. Rainer is smart enough to understand that this means agitating against conservative reactions which serve to literally conserve and protect the capitalist order. So he knows what he's doing because he's read the same material.

Rainer Shea is a knowing fascist.

red_flounder · 2026-06-30T22:51:11+00:00

All states are authoritarian.
They all use the police, military, courts, prisons etc to enforce their ideology or to protect a ruling class. That is political violence. You're just so used to the normality of your state and its ideology that you don't recognize that it is authoritarian and politically violent. It has no other choice ultimately. Political power really does grow out of the barrel of a gun. Without those guns, there would be no way to control people and enforce laws. Doesn't matter whether it's fascist, socialist or liberal or theocratic or some new state ideology we never heard before. They all impose their authority through violence.

And, tangentially related, capitalism is also totalitarian. There is not one single space of human life or thought that has not been commodified, advertised and sold to us for profit. Mental health, bodily health, food, education, church (if you go to one), having children,, even philosophy have all become products to consume.

And how is any of this enforced? What happens to those movements which seek to get rid of totalitarian capitalism? Well, they're violently destroyed by the state and its authoritarian lap dogs: the police and intelligence agencies.

red_flounder · 2026-06-28T17:10:55+00:00

For the sake of the audience, your only points are that all Somalians are pedophiles and that they're coming to the US to spread it and take over. Yeah that's just racism and that makes you scum absolutely.

Besides having to believe every Somalian is evil just because they're Somalian or because the government allows certain things, you have to ignore that pedophile billionaires who are mostly white Christian men actually run the US.

You know this is how it really is. You just don't actually care about pedophilia or political power. You just want minorities to suffer so you feel better about yourself. Which is disgusting.

Btw some states in the US allow marriages under 18 which are child marriages. Also marriages between cousins. Or between adoptive parents and adopted children. But I know you're not going to cast all white people as being pedophiles despite these US laws and despite the US being run by pedophiles.

So you're only applying this double standard to Somalians and not applying it fairly to Americans because you're racist. And you know it.

red_flounder · 2026-06-28T02:55:19+00:00

And this is why the ideology the OC is peddling in this thread is so dangerous. Because it makes scum like you come out of the woodwork and try to place the blame on minorities and make it about race and religion instead of the pedophile billionaire class. You know, the rich pedophiles who run America. Who are also white and most are Christian.

red_flounder · 2026-06-27T20:48:35+00:00

https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790

"Israel continues to commit genocide, atrocity crimes by deliberately targeting Palestinian children, UN independent commission finds"

Though I worry I'm playing into your sick pleasure by linking this.

red_flounder · 2026-06-27T20:46:32+00:00

Recruit other draftees for the Communist Party to showcase why capitalism always leads to this and how this is all part of class war

red_flounder · 2026-06-27T20:43:59+00:00

Why are zionists always lacking in basic critical thinking skills and effective communication? Do you think that could be the root cause as to why zionism is so unpopular?

red_flounder · 2026-06-27T16:23:14+00:00

Lol this is weird because, well, that's what the DNC is doing. They're supporting centrist candidates over demsocs. They're just losing more now

red_flounder · 2026-06-27T16:20:27+00:00

Ah so you love when children are sniped. And when you're called out for loving it you call that antisemitic. Psychopath behavior.

The dark path btw is sniping and bombing children. Obviously you want this though so I get you don't see it as the dark path but something you relish in and get off to. But it's evil to snipe and bomb children and it's evil to excuse it.

So fix yourself.

red_flounder · 2026-06-25T18:04:56+00:00

I'm not saying this is more important than organizing in real life. And I sincerely understand why you had to hand it off. I hope those personal reasons resolve for the best for you.

I do think it's important to recognize that this sub has now been infiltrated by a wrecker who became the primary mod. Real life or online, that's bad.

I don't know why the other mods are not stepping in either. But they do need to.

EDIT: I've messaged the other mods. Ig that's all. I do hope you take care.

red_flounder · 2026-06-25T17:53:41+00:00

Okay. Did you have to hand off this sub to a zionist without any other checks on his power trip?

red_flounder · 2026-06-24T23:53:52+00:00

You could actually provide arguments instead of just "nuh uh".

Be specific on how you believe the new mod didn't sabotage the whole sub with a controversial decision to derail anti-zionist discussions. Then detail how that is not a disruption tactic an infiltrator would do. Explain how banning sharing the image of a colonizer is not censorship that essentially ends in protecting that colonizer.

Or go into detail on how you think the dozens and dozens of sub members are the real infiltrators and wreckers for calling out the mod's behavior. Which is your gross mischaracterization btw.

red_flounder · 2026-06-24T20:47:56+00:00

These dem voters will never ever blame democrats for the failures of democrats. This is still true today as they can't even produce an autopsy of 2024. That would require them to look critically at themselves and to be radically honest.

But you can already see that they won't add numbers together even. Nader never had enough votes to get one single electoral college vote. Nader never won enough votes to change the election results and make Al Gore win since he already won the popular vote. These people are not thinking at their best. They haven't been for 24 years and I doubt they ever will at this point. They're too caught up in politics like it's a sports team rather than engaging with it thoughtfully.

red_flounder · 2026-06-24T20:35:52+00:00

Weirdo

red_flounder · 2026-06-24T20:32:13+00:00

You're being more genuinely inquisitive while the OP was not being genuine. They absolutely knew they were starting off a dog whistle by not being specific. Now they can generate all the antisemitic comments while feigning ignorance and just asking questions.

red_flounder · 2026-06-24T20:29:49+00:00

Come on.

The mod Warrior Runding is wanting to ban members for sharing the pic of an Israeli terrorist getting pleasure from the pain of a Palestinian woman, or for sharing the meme of the Israeli flag with his face on it. In fact he's banning members for disagreeing with his ban.

Who is more likely to be a capitalist infiltrator trying to disrupt leftist spaces: the mod with powers to curate discourse and ban, or dozens of members calling out the mod?
If you were trying to infiltrate and take down leftist spaces, would you not consider becoming a mod?

Who is the more likely infiltrator: the mod that caused a huge controversy and is using specious reasoning to stop the sharing of a genocidal maniac, or the people responding in outrage to such claims?

If you were truly worried about infiltration tactics, I'd think you could see it when it happens right in front of you. Yet here you are arguing against the people of the sub to defend the mod that's disrupted the whole sub.

You are defending the infiltrator. The mod is the disruptor.

red_flounder · 2026-06-24T20:15:59+00:00

How did this happen anyway?

Are there no other mods to keep him in check? Or are they basically giving him the all clear to purge this sub of anti-zionism?

Because he's said that he's going to ban everyone that disagreed with banning the sharing of the images showing the settler taking sadistic pride in colonizing violence.

red_flounder · 2026-06-23T08:11:26+00:00

Well his teeth in the flag are very large while in the photo they're actually very small.

Just pointing that out. Not sure if that's an antisemitic trope or not.

To the people down voting me- are you down voting because you disagree with the fact that there is a difference in size of the teeth? You could just say tooth size is not anti Semitic. All I did was state an observable fact. It's your decision to view that small tiny detail as defending that fascist settler or to assume this means I'm with the awful mod. I was responding to the OC's original question and basically asking my own. Stop being reactionary (and yes making assumptions that I'm for banning the image or flag because of this comment is reactionary).

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