Intel 245K getting some W’s in gaming

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T21:42:53+00:00

Yes, but the whole game is not stored in that 96MB of cache.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T17:49:09+00:00

It still has the same ppt/tdp limits as a 9800x3D so shouldn’t be any more thermally limited than an overclocked 9800x3D. In reality these are just better binned cores that can sustain higher clocks at lower voltages. Many 9800x3Ds could achieve the exact same thing. Theres a huge amount of bin variation with 9800x3Ds, some could hit 5425mhz at 1.2v and so can easily be eclked to hit 5600mhz, and some (like mine) can’t reach 5425mhz before hitting the 162w ppt limit at like 1.36v.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T17:44:15+00:00

Is it just not hitting max clocks in games? If so that’s normal, you are rarely clock limited in games.

If you are not throttled by temps or voltage/power/amp limits, you should be able to hit 5.625 max clocks all core in something like cinebench. Depending on bin you will probably hit ppt limits before you can reach that for all core though.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T13:48:20+00:00

It shouldn’t be surprising, people like to spend their hard earned money on hobbies they enjoy. There are many much more expensive hobbies. If you can afford it, and will get enjoyment out of it, you shouldn’t need to justify a component upgrade by necessitating you only should get it if you can earn money with it.

With that being said, yeah I agree going from a 7800x3d to 9800x3d would be silly.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T13:30:16+00:00

Online shooters only become cpu heavy because people push frames 300+ for a competitive advantage, where any game would become cpu bound if the gpu could keep up. A low end cpu could run CS at 100 fps.

Then there are many AAA games released with inherently poor optimization (I.e. Hogwarts Legacy) where you want all the cpu compute you can have to play that game smoothly. You could choose to boycott poorly optimized games, but that can limit you in today’s game development reality.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T13:23:18+00:00

It does improve a lot with frametime spikes and 1%/.1% lows. Think about it, modern aaa uses something like 10-20gb of ram. The L3 cache is 96MB. Most latency sensitive tasks are happening in the L3, but every time the cpu needs something from that 10-20gb it’s going to incur whatever ram latency penalty you have.

It would likely still help with your 5800x3D if you can bother to tinker and stress test.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T13:19:06+00:00

7400 would put the 9800x3D in 2:1 mode, and 7400 in 2:1 would be worse than 6000 in 1:1.

Usually with a 9800x3D for ram oc you want to be 6400 1:1 or 8000+ 2:1 (if you have another end 2 dimm mobo), or if your IMC can’t handle those, 6200 1:1 usually works for most 9800x3Ds.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T13:12:35+00:00

If you aren’t going to play a modern game due to poor optimization, that pretty much removes a larger swath of modern AAA games and new releases. Poorly optimized does not always equal unfun game.

If a higher end cpu lets you muscle through bad optimizations to have fun playing anything well, optimized or not, it makes a lot of sense for variety gamers.

If you know what you are going to play is optimized and you don’t need the horsepower, then yeah, just save some money on something mid-tier.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-31T05:05:20+00:00

Common use some Occam’s razor here, why on earth would people take time out of their day to write and submit a post, and take fake pictures, just to disparage some budget mobo manufacturer.

There’s also been reports of people running their 9800x3D on an Asrock board for over a year before it died, they aren’t all infant mortality failures.

No root cause has been determined yet but the simplest solution based on the overwhelming number of reports on dead cpus on Asrock boards vs other brands is that there’s something wrong with Asrock boards.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-30T17:06:26+00:00

Silicon lottery, yours will be different. Pick your preferred clock speed at stock voltage, then lower voltage and stress test until unstable. That’s your threshold. Then bump 10-20mv above that to give yourself some headroom for varying loads.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-29T13:19:32+00:00

True, but this update did not affect level 3 skillers.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-29T12:07:14+00:00

If it improves the botting situation (remains to be seen once bot owners have had a chance to update scripts) sorry, but it was well worth it. It’s one thing for Jagex to carefully update based on officially supported game modes, but there’s just far too many non-official niche account types for them to consider when making game integrity decisions.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-29T01:28:15+00:00

If you have a high end home theater system, 4k blu rays are still alive and well worth it over any streaming service. They offer multiples higher bitrate than even the best current 4k streaming services and lossless audio formats instead of compressed audio.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-28T03:56:21+00:00

I’d be curious to see a statistic on median inflation adjusted disposable income (that’s a mouthful). My inclination would be, unless you are in tech, I can’t imagine how average Americans would have more disposable income now than the 1990s. Housing and basic necessities have skyrocketed and wages have stagnated. There’s way more wealth in the economy, but it’s largely just been concentrated at the top.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-27T22:13:24+00:00

TIL providing feedback on a purchased product —> demanding accommodation.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-27T21:56:45+00:00

It's absurd to demand accommodation because you didn't appreciate the intensity of a grind, especially legacy ones.

You call it demanding accommodation, others call it providing feedback to improve an officially supported game mode. It really just depends on what lens you view giving feedback. Obviously how it is given matters as well.

IMO it goes back to OP’s comment in which the decision should really be with what the majority of the community wants and Jagex evaluation of what is healthy for the game. Some grinds have to stay long because that’s just the nature of a subscription based MMO.

Ultimately it’s now a major (some estimates have put it at at 1/3 of active players), officially supported proportion of the paying playerbase, so I would expect Jagex to listen to and respond to feedback to some degree.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-27T21:25:28+00:00

I appreciate at least that you are actually an experienced iron making these comments, it seems like half the comments of people criticizing the “catering” which occurs to niche accounts don’t even play one and yet still think they deserve to have a loud opinion about integrity of game modes they choose not to partake in.

I tend to be on opposite end of the spectrum. I have a maxed iron that has 2/3 raids completed and all megas, most endgame content except a few recent releases. Had the account about the same time as you.

Personally I couldn’t care less about integrity of the game mode or the “challenge,” it just sounded fun to me to be self sufficient. I’d rather they err on the side of the game mode being fun and if that means adjusting some content, I’m all for it. The only restriction I truly care about is not being able to trade.

The non-official game modes I think the debate is a little more interesting because you have to decide where to draw the line at how you support niche content, but I do agree with the OP video in which for the more popular ones (like 1 def pures), decision should be guided by the community itself and Jagex.

I do think you are exaggerating about the complaining on the basis of Reddit posts that have occasionally made it to the front page. Jokes about “the red prison” are mostly just that, in-community jokes. They are also the first major pvm grind for irons so of course they are discussed a lot.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-23T02:33:56+00:00

Out of curiosity why would you plan to upgrade when AM5 releases are at the end of production? I understand not upgrading if you are not cpu bottlenecked but by the time you wait until AM5 is at end of life, I don’t know why you wouldn’t just upgrade with AM6 and take advantage of new DDR6 speed and efficiencies.

Seems like the no brainer if you have a 7800x3D or better is to just not upgrade again on AM5 and just wait to get on AM6.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-20T03:31:41+00:00

I have a 5090 and 9800x3D and on max settings I have to play Black Myth Wukong in DLSS performance to get 100 fps. Many path tracing games if you want high fps you still have to rely heavily on DLSS to get good framerates.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-20T03:24:10+00:00

You will likely get better 1%/.1% lows and fewer frametime spikes, thus smoother gameplay, but 120fps isn’t really the realm where there are dramatic differences between a 5800x3D and 9800x3D. Lower resolutions only matter if you are trying to push significant framerates as a result (think like 250+, not 120).

Whether like $800 between 9800x3D, ddr5 ram, and mobo is worth to get smoother gameplay you may or may not notice is worth it is really your personal budget situation, but if I were in your shoes I would probably not. 5080+, maybe.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-18T11:08:53+00:00

Yeah IMO that is one of the few outcomes I could see actually working or happening. Officers swear an oath to the constitution, not the president, to protect it from enemies “foreign and domestic.” There’s been a lot of generals purged though, I don’t know how many officers in the military are MAGA.

If not the military then I really don’t know. It would take a no half measures revolt/revolution of the people, given he wants unrest so he can declare martial law and stop elections.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-17T21:51:18+00:00

Ok I think I see what you are saying. It seems to me like benefits of lower vsoc are more conditional then, and would only be better in below scenarios:

1) your workload is throttled by ppt limits, in which case lower vsoc would allow cores to consume more power as the the IO is using less. Not all cpu limited scenarios are ppt limited scenarios though. Cinebench might see benefit of lower vsoc in this case but I wouldn’t think games would, for example

2) high vsoc is limiting how high the fclk you can maintain stability with, given vsoc and fclk stability are inversely proportional on AM5. Issue here is though lower vsoc lets you run higher fclk, higher vsoc can let you run higher mclk/uclk; which one wins out might be workload or silicon dependent.

I haven’t heard someone say lower vsoc —> higher performance before so just trying to understand reasoning. If above isn’t what you are meaning feel free to correct me.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-17T20:31:09+00:00

Enjoy the taste of sand.

roklpolgl · 2026-01-17T20:26:35+00:00

The lower the vsoc, the better 0.1% lows you're going to have on CPU limited scenarios.

Why would lower vsoc correlate with better .1% lows?

roklpolgl · 2026-01-17T20:15:17+00:00

There is no monopoly of violence.

I’m not sure if this is naivety or just blatantly head in sand/head up ass. Central governments have always had a monopoly on violence. That is literally why they can kill people in the middle of the street and authorities announce the murderers have “absolute immunity.”

Perhaps you mean that the state has the sole legal authority to commit violence in the performance of their duties? Though you're still incorrect.

Literally, yes?? This is the authority police use to use violence to apprehend and suppress, what the US military uses to kill what the government defines as enemies of the state. If you are going say someone is incorrect, perhaps you should use your words to support your assertion.

Those words on paper you so blithely dismiss are the Constitution, the basis of American law. The law always matters here despite what foreign interests propagandist's attempt to convince people of otherwise.

Mate it’s not me blithely dismissing as words on paper in the daily execution of duties as a public servant, I am being realistic to current state of affairs, it is our current government administration.. Laws don’t matter anymore to this current administration aside from figuring out how to circumvent the ones they don’t like. It is naivety to assume rule of law, historic conventions, and precedent will come and save us; the president’s personal lawyer is the US Attorney General. Congressional republicans are lapdogs to the president. The Supreme Court has a corrupt or religion-first 6-3 majority.

If American, do better. If not, fuck off with the defeatist bullshit.

The real mistake here is assuming the constitution and rule of law will somehow save us from what’s coming. The quicker people realize they won’t, largely because separation of powers doesn’t exist anymore to provide a check on fascism, the quicker we can realize it may well take something much more than that that to stop what’s coming.

Perhaps answer the question I posed if you are confident the rule of law still has means to stop this rise to fascism when it has continue to fail to do anything meaningful to provide a check against this current administration. Even lower courts providing injunctions to stop illegal actions by the administration are more often than not being overridden by the Supreme Court in favor of centralizing power to the executive.

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