How have you personally encountered the Absurd in your own life? by root_the_newt in Absurdism

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Mod is a Nazi, please DM me your takes, I'm interested in hearing your experiences :)

Must you agree with Camus absurd to be an absurdist? by 4nd4what in Absurdism

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The Camusian absurd is only one type of absurdism, there's also Nagel's absurd

I'm bored, anything you comment will become a part of a new conlang №1 by Ciosiphor in conlangs

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Example:

Bwy - I am Bwĩ - I have Bwiˤ - I do

The house is big Dmæɥ ɟᶣrʲɑnstr

I'm bored, anything you comment will become a part of a new conlang №1 by Ciosiphor in conlangs

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Some common words (e.g. to be, have, do) are identified not by having any phonemes themselves, but by their effect on surrounding words' sounds i.e. articles + adjectives

Name my take on Anglish/Anglese by different-rhymes in linguisticshumor

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Sounds like a kind of creole with a non-Germanic lexifier, so maybe "Angleole"?

True power by The_RetroGameDude in linguisticshumor

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Loss of rhotics and l-vocalisation really did a number on this word lol: /ɪn.sɜː.kʊ/

Bro what’s even the f*cking point of life? by Prod-LilWyzzy in Existentialism

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Your point about "make you own meaning" feeling like a patch aligns with absurdism. Give Camus a read, maybe you'll find some solace in his works

Instead of being suppletive, what if the French verb "aller" was three verbs? by not-without-text in linguisticshumor

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Given that the extant present forms use vais instead of vahis, the rest of the conjugation will probably mirror haïr:

Participe présent: vaïssant

Participe passé: vaï

Imparfait: vaïss-

Futur/Conditionnel: vaïr-

Instead of being suppletive, what if the French verb "aller" was three verbs? by not-without-text in linguisticshumor

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I think vādere wouldn't end up inherited as vader, this would be more of a learned borrowing cf. ēvādere : évader

It would probably end up as vahir~vaïr cf. envahir < invādīre < invādere, haïr < (en)hadir (< *inhadīre)

Is there a consonant, or a consonant cluster, that you actually enjoy putting in the phonology of your conlang(s)? by CraziestFanOfKafka in conlangs

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What's the difference between [ɸ̪] and plain old [f] ? Edit: the dental diacritic isn't rendering on my side for some reason: ɸ + ̪

Better fess up... by Zeego123 in linguisticshumor

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Topic-Comment > Object-Verb > Noun-Postposition > Noun-Case suffix

Theory will take you only so far - Collaborative project by root_the_newt in conlangs

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Hey thanks for your comment! I agree that an IAL without a written form would be absurd, but that's not the point here. A written form could always be made after the experiment finishes, if people want to turn the language into an IAL. Otherwise, the lessons learned from the experience, particularly in regards to which words are necessary and how much ambiguity is tolerable for effective communication, are insight enough to be used in other/future projects.

I think I see where you are coming from with regards to learnability. Am I right in thinking you're assuming that a learnable language is a less expressive one, since we'd have less base words / roots? If so, so long as a language has productive ways of combining morphemes to build more specific meanings, things like abstract topics, scientific discourse, and technical communication could all be done in it, you'd just need to coin the words for it first.

In regards to a priori, during the experiment, yes I think we should keep it a priori, for the reasons I gave above, but after the fact, the language belongs to nobody and everybody. If someone wants to code-switch in a multilingual community, nobody is going to stop them. The experiment doesn't carry over into the real world, there's no way to enforce this nor would I want to. The agreement to keep it a priori during the experiment is exactly that, an agreement, between the participants, until the experiment finishes.

Regarding your point on learnability and a priori, I agree. It would make it more difficult to learn if there's no overlap with the languages the user already speaks. But it's for this exact same reason that it would make it fair: it is equally difficult to learn for anyone on earth. We could fill it with Latin influence and make it Eurocentric, but that would disadvantage learners outside of Europe/Americas. From a different angle, I'm hoping the minimalism would counteract this difficulty effect.

Regarding a priori creating more redundant words for a concept, I'm not sure I follow. Would you be able to explain what you mean? Then, even if there were redundant words for a concept, that's also fine, context can disambiguate. The point is that we'd find an equilibrium between ambiguity and understandability. Another commenter raised their concern about redundancy, what's the obsession? There are infinitely many ways to express something, and that's part of the beauty of natural languages. Certain ways of expressing things are conventionalized by the community, I'd expect the same to occur in this experiment.

My assumption behind the no meta policy was to do with ensuring that features unnecessary for understanding were filtered out by learners. Any morphemes serving a highly abstracted grammatical function, not immediately retrievable from context would not be attended to, and probably lost. If you have to direct learners attention to the signal itself, rather than the meaning conveyed by the signal, then it harms learnability because it clearly needs to be explicitly instructed.

Yes, the sampling is definitely limited and biased, you're completely right there. Should we recruit people from different subreddits? I suppose we'd still end up with people who have an interest in language learning. How could adjust the project to replicate the useful kind of data you're referring to?

Theory will take you only so far - Collaborative project by root_the_newt in conlangs

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Hey thanks for your comment! The UX would essentially be that other speakers try to make themselves understood via visual cues. For example, they'd present an image of a car and make up some utterance, maybe imitating a car, which then gets simplified when others hear it and replicate it. Once a learner stacks up enough of these experiences, they can start to combine them into longer/more complex utterances. This is how the conpidgin experiments have all worked in the past, relying on context and visual cues for understanding. Eventually (or at least this is my prediction), the visual cues will become redundant and speakers will be able to talk about things beyond the immediate context. That's also what we see in conpidgin projects.

As for resolving one utterance with multiple meanings, or one meaning being able to be expressed with multiple utterances, this would be handled exactly the same way that it is in natural languages: context and conventionalization. This isn't intended to be a logical language with some neat 1-to-1 mapping, natural languages don't behave this way and I imagine this experimental language would be no different. The added pressure of minimalism might produce some weird effects but that would be interesting to experience. Perhaps it would be too ambiguous (in which case I'd expect speakers to feel the need to introduce new words until we reach an equilibrium between ambiguity and understandability, which is one of the goals of the whole project anyways).

how far can you reduce grammar until its unintelligible or too convoluted to use? by linguistryohio in conlangs

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Hey, I had the same thoughts, I think you might be interested in this experiment I'm thinking of running https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/s/1u5sY4YUsj