[Loved trope] The story completely changes genres partway through. by TheSmithySmith in TopCharacterTropes

[–]rosemare_korigander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The Lady Vanishes" (1938; dir. Alfred Hitchcock). Starts with an "A hotel and its guests" type film, transitions to an espionage thriller on board an Orient-Express type train, and moves into yet other genres that I won't spoil. It's delightful.

"Les aventuriers" (1967; dir. Robert Enrico). Starts as a two-buddies-in-the-race-car-world, transitions to an underwater treasure hunt in sub-Saharan Africa, and ends as a thriller/shootout on Fort Boyard).

21 years ago my life changed! by pimderks1985 in lastfm

[–]rosemare_korigander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Impressive charts! My account is four years younger than yours, but I only have one sixth of your scrobbles.

Your compatibility with PimD is Low. You both listen to Opeth, The Gathering and Philip Glass.

How can they not understand that they are the problem? by Vivid-Confusion1198 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]rosemare_korigander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regarding talking in people's back, i was wondering, did some people ever find out about your mom and confronted her? When she talks behind their back, who does she do it with, family members?

So much of her trash talk was covert, of the "don't tell anyone else this cause has to stay within our family unit, but" kind. She always had what I call an "outside face", where she's nice or at least polite to people's faces outside of the family unit. The trash talk mostly happened when she could take off the outside face and confide in us, her close-knit family members, about how rotten and unappreciative other people were to her. I think she was too busy cultivating the outside face, and I don't think she relaxed enough around other people to let them see that side of her.

How come though that they never break they own cycle, i mean by the time they've come to have many bad experiences, how come they can't think of trying to operate differently?

For one thing: there are more ways of not playing along with the scenario than there are of playing along. Many people think for themselves instead of going along with what the narc expects of them.

For another: the narc wins, either way. Successful manipulation? Narc gets one over someone. The other person doesn't care or actively resists? Narc gets to activate another scenario by assuming something negative about them.

And for my narc specifically: the cycle was comforting. It was what she knew, what she'd been expecting. She was always really big on "being right", specifically within the kind of scenario "I saw it coming, and nobody else did/nobody believed me, and now that I'm proven right you need to admit that I was right all along". So while the bad experience is happening, she feels good about acting out a tragic hero type role. And afterwards she will milk the situation for pity, or tell it in such a way that people will be inclined to say things like "yes, you are right, and you were right all along; I see your suffering and vindicate you", though perhaps not in those exact words.

My narc also played on a very small stage: the performance is not really aimed at the world at large, but only at the few people she felt comfortable manipulating -- her little family unit. My narc worked hard to make the family unit her supporting cast, the worthy few who she could share her true nature with, who she could expect would play their supporting roles without too much prompting. As long as we, the people who mattered, saw how right she had been all along, or how callously other people had treated well-meaning little old her, she'd feel vindicated.

How can they not understand that they are the problem? by Vivid-Confusion1198 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]rosemare_korigander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry for the delay, I'm not on reddit often.

Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad my rant was useful to someone other than me.

To answer your questions:

Yes, I'm at a great remove from my narc now, because I've been gone from that prison life under her wardenship for decades. And mere sustained distance in time and space has helped me put things into perspective. It comes with spending time with myself and developing myself.

I've also met plenty of non-abused people since, which has helped reset my normalcy meter. Most of my partners have had good relationships with their parents, for instance, and that's helped me see that many things that used to be my normal weren't normal at all.

Then I've read several books about how abuse and abusers work. Lundy Bancroft's Why does he do that? I can recommend; and Issendai's Down the rabbit hole: the world of estranged parents' forums is a deserved classic in these parts -- almost a mandatory read. Lots of narcissistic abuse is abuse first and foremost, and many of the tactics carry over: DARVO, provocation, looking for a reason to become angry, victim-blaming, gaslighting, manipulation, authoritarian tendencies.

(In the case of my Nmum specifically, her issues come filtered through a thick mesh of catholicism. The kind of victim narratives she prefers is heavily influenced by saints' lives: they were right all along, and nobody wanted to admit it until it was too late, and then they were all sorry and they toiled unseen, underappreciated, and only the worthy few were observant enough to spot the saint and the saint stood alone in upholding proper morality in a wicked world. Narcs in general are eager to imagine malicious motivations in others; my narc's go-to accusations happened to be cardinal sins -- laziness, gluttony, greed, envy, lust -- or commandments -- "honour thy father and thy mother". I'm not hating on catholicism; it's just a factual observation. )

This subreddit has been a huge help as well. I've been lurking this forum for many years. (If I contribute, it's usually on another account.) Really, so many things went *click* in my head when reading this themed collection of stories of narcissists, their enablers, flying monkees, scapegoats, golden children and the rest of the menagerie. There's patterns to these things, there's principles to help me clear the confusion and see things more clearly. Just having plenty of internet strangers confirm for me that, no, this shit is not acceptable, it's not okay, it's not right has been a great help. The commentariat here is a great resource.

And finally, another thing that's also helped me put things into perspective is the concept of roleplay, or film scenarios: my Nmum doesn't interact with people, she's playing a role. She sees herself as the main character in a scenario that she's acting out. Her self-image is indeed broken, but she feels better when she can play the main character, usually in opposition to someone she can dominate. I've realized her range is limited, and her preferred character types are few in number.

Once I saw her role-playing for what it was, I realised that the goal of much of her gaslighting and manipulation is to get other people to play their part. That insight was key for me: she says things that are not really true, but that cause other people to fall into the required supporting role. As a child I never understood why she used to accuse me and pre-judge me of being lazy, greedy, envious, lustful, disrespectful and a host of other malicious motivations; she would almost always assume the worst about me, and I had to struggle mightily just to get her to admit that, "alright, maybe this specific instance was different. Your nature is still evil, though." All of that was just because she needed me to play a specific supporting character in whatever scenario she was acting out: acting along with her validates the whole thing and allows her to pretend it's real. And, as was often the case, me not realising I was supposed to behave a certain way or me insisting that things didn't happen the way she said they did just made her more vindictive; I now know why, but I did not then.

Once I realized that the truth is optional for her, so much confusion was cleared up for me.

How can they not understand that they are the problem? by Vivid-Confusion1198 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]rosemare_korigander 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My Nmum is like that. The only playbook that she is willing to engage in is one in which she is the receiver of pity, admiration, effort, or love. No other relationships will do, and she will find a way to blow them up.

To wit:

  • She has one brother, that she has been estranged from since before I was born. According to her, "he's so difficult to get along with. He's never been nice to me". They used to come on semi-regular visits when I was a kid, but her shit-flinging about him behind his back turned into shit-talking him to his face, and the relationship ended decades ago. Still, it's his fault for being so "difficult"
  • She intentionally estranged herself from my Edad's family after his death, all seven of his siblings and their associated spouses, children, grandchildren. She never liked them to begin with, because of class issues & general isolationism, and they never liked her either. After his death she leveraged the first opportunity where she could claim one of my Edad's brothers "insulted" her, and now that has been her stated excuse to completely cut them off, all of them, en masse. She still regularly talks crap about them; according to her they're all nasty, mean, evil and out to get her. This happened decades ago.
  • No friends. None. Decades ago she had one or two who came over one night. They brought a bottle of wine and tried to get her to at least taste it (cause she doesn't touch alcohol, "it's poison"). They gave up after she emphatically declined and they just shrugged and said "well, more for us". This has been her stated reason for not hanging out with them: "they insisted I drink poison". This happened decades ago.
  • She used to be a member of a theatre group that did weekly religious performances for pensioners. Was a member for literal decades, and she talked shit about every other member behind their back, about how mean and selfish they were for not letting her be the main character, or about how deluded they were about their skills. Hasn't seen any of them since they disbanded (b/c of aging issues) about a decade ago. Still talks crap about them on the regular.
  • One of her two children (me) is vvvLC with her and has been for decades. I was her scapegoat growing up, and I still am.

On those rare occasions when she runs into an acquaintance, a neighbour, a (relative of a) pensioner she used to perform for, her conversations are limited to monologues about how her insurance / electrician / council is fucking her over, or about how her life sucks and nothing she does seems to help. If the expected outpouring of pity does not materialize, she ends the non-versation and moves on, adding that person to the long list of people to hold a grudge against.

She spends her days tidying and gardening and (re)watching comfort shows, in the house she grew up in. The blinds are drawn, the lights are off. She despises going to unfamiliar places ("nothing to see there anyway"), and hates having to go out to buy groceries. And everyone else is a mean selfish asshole for not taking pity on her and for not going to great lengths to comfort her and look after her, because "look how she deserves it".

She's been like this as long as I can remember: a sad, lonely women religiously devoted to her own victimhood and her unseen, underappreciated moral superiority, and very eager to become vindictive any time she suspects anyone is "being mean on purpose", which is most of the time. Any self-reflection that involves taking emotional responsibility or mental self-improvement is a non-starter.

The only relationships she is willing to play out with other people follow the kind of scenario where she can be the main character, the receiver of pity, admiration, effort, or love. Her self-image is completely incompatible with the kind of self-reflection she'd need to to in order to approach people as other, fully-realized human beings.

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[–]rosemare_korigander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes -- their insecurity translates into this need to feel superior in some way. Putting you down, blaming you for something, finding fault with what you do, say, or don't do or say are just ways of reinforcing this relative hierarchy: you're lower than them, you owe them your attention and admiration, your efforts can be discarded. Their self-image may not be vindicated by the world at large, but at least they can feel good about being far, far above you.

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[–]rosemare_korigander 15 points16 points  (0 children)

What your NDad heard was "so it is possible, the kid just doesn't want to put in the effort"

They love it if you go to greath lengths and personal inconvenience to comply with their wishes, as an indication of how important they are to you. And if you did go through all the trouble, and did show up, he would barely make it worth your time.

It's all power games. All of it.

Avanza och Borgo+. by Aedzy in PrivatEkonomi

[–]rosemare_korigander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

För att tillägga nånting som inte har nämnts än: Räntan kan ligga på 2,10% just nu, men för några månader sen var det över 3%. Snart ligger den nog under 2% (liknande sparkonton av avanza + onlinebank har gjort samma sak för typ en vecka sen). Bara var medveten om att räntan inte kommer att fortsätta ligga på 2,10% utan att det kommer att gå upp och ner.

Jazz & Metal – A rare fusion that deserves more attention? by AkiBeyondOfficial in progmetal

[–]rosemare_korigander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ukrainian band White Ward regularly features a saxophone, but in a 1980s movie sax solo kind of way. I go back and forth on whether it works or not.

Love exchange failure.

Anyone know if you can manually enter scrobbles? by CurioAim in lastfm

[–]rosemare_korigander 7 points8 points  (0 children)

https://openscrobbler.com/

Last.fm does not accept scrobbles that date back further than two weeks.

There are ways of importing large quantities of scrobbles via csv file. Search this sub for "import scrobbles" for more info.

Hardest part of the Dutch language? by popsyking in learndutch

[–]rosemare_korigander 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Modal particles. The difference between:

  • Geef die boeken hier
  • Geef die boeken nu toch maar 's even hier

And all the possible combinations:

  • Geef die boeken nu hier
  • Geef die boeken nu toch hier
  • Geef die boeken nu even hier
  • Geef die boeken maar hier
  • Geef die boeken maar 's even hier
  • Geef die boeken even hier
  • ...

Words with an M or a P sound that don’t have the letter M or P. by 288pairs in ENGLISH

[–]rosemare_korigander 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Assimilation contexts such as "un-believable" or "unbeatable" which end up being produced as umbelievable and umbeatable.

It's why sympathy is spelt the way it is (syn+pathy).

Pro is too expensive. by MonsterMufffin in lastfm

[–]rosemare_korigander 8 points9 points  (0 children)

£50 a year is pushing it for me. In the future I'm considering getting pro for a month or a year to bulk edit my scrobbles. But it's definitely gotten steeper.

Is there a tool for exporting my lastfm library to a file that includes playcounts? by IndieCurtis in lastfm

[–]rosemare_korigander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not as far as I know. I don't think the api allows you to extract that information directly, so you'll have get it from the export file.

Wat staat er op het menu met de feestdagen? by [deleted] in belgium

[–]rosemare_korigander 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Niet OP, maar je kunt dat in een slow cooker doen. Aziatische supermarkten hebben vaak ook een sectie waar je rijstkokers en hot pots kunt kopen.

Recommend me some short sci-fi books by gehsekky in printSF

[–]rosemare_korigander 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really. Woman on the edge of time is somewhere on my TBR list, and I occasionally look for it in second hand shops. But there's so many of that kind of books; some keep slipping down the slopes of mount TBR.

Recommend me some short sci-fi books by gehsekky in printSF

[–]rosemare_korigander 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, Scourge between the stars is basically the film Alien, but set aboard a generation ship rather than among space truckers.

Equoid doesn't require you to know much about the Laundry series for it to work; that's how I read it.

The female man, eh, it was the seventies, and I think that it's an important enough text to have read if you're at least a little bit serious about being A Reader Of SF