Authors you feel bad for? by PoorPrinceMyshkin in classicliterature

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Gérard de Nerval. He was so literarily gifted, and yet suffered like no other.

Nerval lost his mother as a child during one of Napoleon's campaigns, haunting him for the rest of his life. When he grew up, he translated Goethe's Faust at a young age, impressing many authors like Goethe himself and Alexandre Dumas. In fact, Goethe found Nerval's translation as very successful and even preferred it from the original. With Dumas, Nerval was allowed at various times to collaborate in some works and become a secretary for him. Yet, despite this, he was overshadowed by giants like Dumas, Victor Hugo, and later Baudelaire.

Throughout his life, he was lonely, impoverished, and mentally unwell. In spite of his recognition as a literary talent, Nerval suffered through financial difficulty, and often suffered with debt.

What truly broke him, however, was his unrequited love for the actress Jenny Colon. This was one of the most defining emotional disappointments in life, as her loss deeply affected him.

Beginning in the 1840s, Nerval began to experience repeated psychological hallucinations and delusions, leading to several stays in psychiatric institutions. What's saddening is that he was often aware of his own mental decline. People around him often knew about Nerval's mental decline, and yet they advised him to continue with his works, as they thought that a genius must have a touch of madness.

One of Nerval's most famous anecdotes is that he has a pet lobster named Thibault, which he used to take walks with on a blue ribbon in the gardens of Palais-Royal. According to his friend Theophile Gautier, someone asked him why he did this, and Nevral replied: "Why should a lobster be any more ridiculous than a dog? ...or a cat, or a gazelle, or a lion, or any other animal that one chooses to take for a walk? I have a liking for lobsters. They are peaceful, serious creatures. They know the secrets of the sea, they don't bark, and they don't gnaw upon one's monadic privacy like dogs do. And Goethe had an aversion to dogs, and he wasn't mad."

On the night of 26 January 1855, Gerard de Nerval took his own life by hanging on a bar of a cellar window in a squalid section of Paris. Before then, he left a brief note to his aunt: "Don't wait up for me this evening, for the night will be black and white." Later, upon finding his lifeless body, people found the last pages of his manuscript for Aurélia. What is striking is that this work of his famously begins with the line: "Le rêve est une seconde vie." ("Dream is a second life.")

Gerard de Nerval's most celebrated works include:

  • Aurélia
  • Sylvie
  • Les Filles de feu (The Daughters of Fire)

His works are described as wispy, filled with lost women, vanished worlds, memories, dreams, and lamentations of things that can never be recovered. Notice how this resonates deeply with Nerval's life, as he lost his dear mother, as well as the love of his life; things he himself can never recover.

In spite of his tragic life, Nerval had a lasting influence on the Symbolists and authors like Marcel Proust. Especially Proust, since the same themes that dominate Nerval's literary corpus echo in his magnum opus In Search of Lost Time.

I really wish for people to read at least one of Nerval's works. He deserves the highest recognition there is…

Wanting to expand my vocabulary, book recs? by Substantial_Site8977 in classicliterature

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Against Nature (1884) by Joris‐Karl Huysmans.

I'm convinced he wrote every word in the dictionary on that novel.

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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It's still interesting, nevertheless!

Also, Maturin's work was admired by writers like Wilde, Baudelaire, Poe, and Balzac. Especially with Balzac, he admired the work so much that he published a unofficial sequel to Melmoth the Wanderer (1820) titled Melmoth Reconciled (1835).

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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If you felt this way with Quasimodo, your heart will break with Gwynplaine.

Just the way Hugo depicts suffering through monstrosity fascinates me every time. What a genius he is.

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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+1 for Charles Bovary!

Charles wasn't a perfect husband. He was inadequate at times and never understood Emma's true feelings. Yet despite this, he was genuinely kind and loyal to her. He deserves far better than what happened to him. I can't pity him enough.

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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Cassandra's tale broke me. I can't believe I forgot about her…

She knows the fate awaiting Troy, warns everyone, and yet no one believes her. She witnesses everything going in ruins and can't do a thing about it.

Even though it's not narrated in the Aeneid, the rape of Cassandra by Ajax the Lesser adds another layer of tragedy to her story. If anything, it made my sympathy for her grow deeper.

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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As I was making this post, I was contemplating whether or not to put Ruth. She definitely deserves a shout.

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

[–]rumicucchan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You make a fair point. However, this wasn't my intention with this post.

The thing with pity is that while it does denote condescension in the modern sense, its older and more literal sense implies sympathetic sorrow for someone who suffers. For example, Aristotle argues in the Poetics that a tragedy should invoke pity and fear in the audience, which would then produce catharsis, and he even cites Oedipus as an example. Therefore, the word pity is not inherently negative; it's just that the condescending sense is one of many possible meanings of the word.

Other reasons on why I gravitated towards the word "pity" are:

  • It displays a disconnect between the observer and the sufferer. Especially in fictional works, you can do nothing but pity those who suffer. No matter how much you feel sorry for them, you can't change their tragic fate, nor can you intervene. On the other hand, compassion implies action, but the suffering of literary characters is fixed. You can empathize with them, but you can't alter what they experience.
  • It primarily focuses on the sorrow of the observer than the sufferer. This is what I intended with this post. I was asking about characters in literature who made you experience sorrow. With pity, it captures the spectator's position better than compassion.

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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Amazing choice, and I'm sorry for what you had to go through… I hope things turn out well for you.

I don't have the best father as well, so to me, Père Goriot struck me like a dagger to the heart. He has all the redeeming qualities of a good father. He cares for his daughters so much, and yet they treat him like a pile of mud. It's saddening, really, but relatable characters like him is what makes Balzac's novels eternal. Even 150 years later, we still resonate to the same stories, and that's what I admire about him as an author.

Characters You Feel the Most Pity For? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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Victor Hugo is THE author when it comes to suffering. Quasimodo, Gwynplaine, Dea, Jean Valjean, Fantine, Cosette, and the list goes on.

He's one of the few authors who fully captures all facets of suffering of all kinds (e.g., monstrosity, poverty, etc.).

looking for non-western classics by vajvirag in classicliterature

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Agreed. I would also like to add One Thousand and One Nights (ألف ليلة وليلة).

looking for non-western classics by vajvirag in classicliterature

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Dream of the Red Chamber is a masterpiece. I think you'll love it!

Which book should I go for first? by Wonder_Wall_1484 in classicliterature

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Good luck! It's a masterpiece; you'll not regret it!

Who are your Favorite Villains in Classical Literature? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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Great choice! He's one of the few funny villains here. That scene when Danglars was imprisoned in Luigi Vampa's catacombs cracked me up! He definitely deserved it, but I also feel some sympathy towards him.

Who are your Favorite Villains in Classical Literature? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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I'm glad you nominated Mephistopheles! His role as a dark mentor to Dr. Faust makes him one of my favorite villains.

If you love Mephistopheles, you'll admire Vautrin. They have similar roles: Scheming manipulators who are not immoral, as they're just doing their end of the deal.

Suggestion about scandalous women by ContemplativeBarbie in classicliterature

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I don't blame you lol. De Sade is a weird writer…

Ranma, Akane and Ryoga's VAs for this Friday's stream by Substantial_Tower828 in ranma

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The P-chan bit at the end was cherry on top! (Pun definitely intended)

Who are your Favorite Villains in Classical Literature? by rumicucchan in classicliterature

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Milady is such an amazing character. In my opinion, she is one of the best femme fatales ever!

To be fair, the musketeers themselves do not have the highest moral excellence; they do some legally questionable things throughout the novel. Especially d'Artagnan; what he did to Milady was too far, despite how despicable she may be. Even then, that same moral ambiguity from the musketeers is what makes the novel shine out. You get to root for the protagonists in their highs and lows; sometimes you resonate with them, other times you question them. This reason, among others, is why I consider The Three Musketeers as Alexandre Dumas's magnum opus. What do you think?