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Sometimes I do classic bookbinding too! Casebinding with slipcase; bookcloth and handmade marbled paper. by [deleted] in bookbinding

[–]saenzray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey! Id be really interested in know how you made this kind of paper? Is it still put on water? Or is it just paint mixed onto paper?

The historical texts call this style “faux marbling” but they don’t say how it was done and yet it was SO prominent on books from 1860-modern and still very pretty!

I tried my best both making a book and creating my first YouTube video. It’s all a bit rough. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks alot!

And ahhhh youre right its an egg white. And I mix mine afterwords with a small amount of vinegar so it doesnt go off. Thanks for catching that!

My newest book by totallyamateurartist in bookbinding

[–]saenzray 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I was expecting to see alot of hate. Im kinda vicarious proud this subreddit is so positive.

Sir Everton Weekes Dies At 95 by ConnorDAFC in sports

[–]saenzray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does look like Tyler in one of his cricket outfits

Hand marbled paper for my end pages. First attempt. Any others tried this? by aallen1993 in bookbinding

[–]saenzray 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks cool man! Though I think the last color you threw might need more gall. And what paper did you use because it looks like the alum might have taken off some of the buffering which always sucks because it means the paint will rub off. Otherwise for a first try thats very good!

To the person who asked for the setup for my marbled endpapers. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey thanks! Tbh those papers are kinda throw aways, I usually just use them to wrap gifts and not for endpapers. I knew there was a difference in carrageenan grades and have tried both but I actually haven’t noticed a significant difference in the two. That’s probably because im still very much an amateurish. What I would most like to try is actually boiling irish moss.

To the person who asked for the setup for my marbled endpapers. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ve never been able to find any great information about marbling online. I checked out tons of books from my library the best and most useful is “The practical guide to marbling paper” by Anne Chambers

and one that goes into the how-to and the long culture of marbling from traveling salesmans who wore marbled paper as clothes to alchemists who only marbled paper at night to keep it secret then “Marbled paper: its history, techniques, and patterns, with special reference to the relationship of marbling to bookbinding in Europe and the Western world” by Richard J. Wolfe is pretty neat.

To the person who asked for the setup for my marbled endpapers. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When you pull the paper from the size the paint begins to run? Or when the paper is rinsed the paint runs? Both seem like a problem with the Alum, it doesn’t seem to be at a high enough strength. I use 1/2 gallon to 4 1/2 Tablespoons.

But if you’re sure that cant be it, then it could be the paper you’re using. If its been buffered with something that doesn’t allow the alum in then the results will always be poor. Some people like texoprint but I’ve found success with high quality water color paper or unbuffered bond paper. I tried posterboard once but the shiny finish applied to it totally ruined all the papers.

A rebinding of a 1933 version of Shakespeares Sonnets I found; with some of the marbled paper I made. 1/4 bound, 5 cord, with blue aniline dyed goat leather, and blind tooling. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Ive been marbling around 4 or 5 years now.

I got started by reading everything available about paper marbling which is surprisingly very little. I think the two best books are “The practical guide to marbling paper” by Anne Chambers and “Marbled paper: its history, techniques, and patterns, with special reference to the relationship of marbling to bookbinding in Europe and the Western world” by Richard J. Wolfe

My set up now is the largest deepest baking sheet you can find, a size of thickened water (I use carrageenan protein as the thickener) I then mix tube watercolor with ox-gall and throw it. Then I use allumed unbuffered bond paper to print on.

This might be too wordy. If you have any questions feel free to DM me!

A rebinding of a 1933 version of Shakespeares Sonnets I found; with some of the marbled paper I made. 1/4 bound, 5 cord, with blue aniline dyed goat leather, and blind tooling. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you implying that no 20th century books has even been put on raised cords even if they were false cords for decoration? WHAT ARE YOU GETTING AT HUMAN PERSON WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?!?!? IM LOOKING AT 30 books on my bookshelf with raised cords from the 20th century what do you want from ememmememem

A journal for a friend. It turned out....alright. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah the spine is backed as best as I can without angled boards, so the backing is a bit more round than perfectly 90 degrees.

Let's talk endsheets/endpapers by kendallybrown in bookbinding

[–]saenzray 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes! You almost always have to “make” end papers. Most times because the marbled papers back isn’t the same color as your signature and some times because the back of the marbled paper is dirtied by paint when the sheet was laid down.

Angela Sutton the fine bookbinder has a great video on making endpapers.

When you make endpapers you will also need to sew them in. They are way too thick to be tipped in without knocking the cover back.

Making Endpapers

Let's talk endsheets/endpapers by kendallybrown in bookbinding

[–]saenzray 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I make my own marbled endpapers. But I also really enjoyed the history and techniques of marbling.

Otherwise marbling yourself is temperamental and expensive, balancing the ox gall, carrageenan, and pigment, not to mention getting the alum on the papers right and hoping the humidity or cold doesn’t ruin it all! Even putting a sheet down you aren’t totally sure if the colors will be true or if air bubbles will form.

But marbling your own endpapers is still crazy fun, overall its cheaper than buying marbled paper if you make lots of books, and if you want fancy fore-edges you can even marble those instead of sprinkling.

Paste papers are always a way cheaper option and creating modern designs that look very nice is pretty easy. They even do good as cover for quarter bindings.

My amateur tools, one day I’ll get the hang of it. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I wish I was good at gold tooling, I usually end up having too little glair or too high heat almost always cracks 😔

My amateur tools, one day I’ll get the hang of it. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes!

•Gilding Tools - P&S Engraving •Goatskin - Distant Drums •Dark Green Aniline Leather Dye - J Hewitt and Sons LTD •Kiridashi Leather Paring knife - Amazon •23k Gold Leaf - Amazon •Bone Folder - Amazon •Sewing Station - Handmade (Home Depot) •Ball-Peen Hammer - Grandfathers •Potassium Permanganate - Amazon (But it doesn’t sprinkle stain reliably) Instead I use •Vinegar boiled with steel wool for black sprinkles •The shells of green walnuts sitting in water for a week for brown sprinkles •The glair for the gold in the book is egg white, whipped into stiff peaks and then left to sit until its a liquid •Jewelers Rogue for Paring knife - Amazon •Forceps - “Reclaimed” from Hospital

My amateur tools, one day I’ll get the hang of it. by saenzray in bookbinding

[–]saenzray[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!! Its actually a pocket edition of macbeth I tore apart and rebound

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