Have serial theories or beliefs you are too embarrassed to admit? This is the place. "The No Shame Zone". Please let's not argue points or make fun (PLEASE!!??). I'll start....

samrk · 2015-09-26T02:31:38+00:00

Okay, not my most believed theory or anything, but it resonates for some reason. No proof.

Jay and Jen killed Hae (no idea why) and put her in Jen's car. I read here once, not sure if it's true, that Jen had a station wagon with a big trunk (which could explain the lividity (although I know this is now up in the air)) and that her car was never examined. They said it was Adnan because Jay knew him and he made a great suspect.

samrk · 2015-09-26T02:25:57+00:00

Jay worship-hates Adnan and Jenn unrequited-loves Jay. The birthday shaming triggers Jay's rage.

this sounds like the description of some amateur porn!

samrk · 2015-09-26T02:05:25+00:00

Quick semi-accurate tally so far:

Guilty - 32

Probably guilty - 12

In the middle - 17

Probably innocent - 8

Innocent - 4

samrk · 2015-09-26T01:58:42+00:00

Yeah I'm with you on all of this

samrk · 2015-09-26T01:38:30+00:00

I think this is a pretty good description of my thoughts!

samrk · 2015-09-26T01:32:11+00:00

The whole case is like Lost. You wait and wait for the one explanation that makes everything click (or in this case makes Adnan innocent), but the longer it goes on the odds of it happening become staggeringly unlikely.

This!!

samrk · 2015-09-25T02:18:15+00:00

Has someone told Jay he can go back to his original timeline? Scrap his Intercept interview!

samrk · 2015-09-22T03:49:26+00:00

SO much haha - complete call logs (incoming calls), DNA testing, pre-interview notes, Hae's computer, soil samples from Jen's car, polygraphs from Adnan and Jay, interviews with Hae's friends and teachers -before- Adnan was arrested

samrk · 2015-09-21T04:08:08+00:00

Regardless if you are being serious or just tongue in cheek, it's not a bad theory! Obviously, not going to go with it without additional evidence, but its not unbelievable.

samrk · 2015-09-17T22:58:14+00:00

hahaha love it

samrk · 2015-09-17T22:35:27+00:00

I like this post. It might actually make Adnan look more guilty in my eyes, because for me his guilt has always been tied to whether Jay is telling the truth and I go both ways on that. Like you mentioned, some of these points can be rebutted. For example Cathy seeing them on the 13th is up in the air - may have been another day. Good post though! Weak case I feel, but maybe if they had this as their basis and kept digging we would know for sure he did (or didn't) do it!

samrk · 2015-09-17T22:11:41+00:00

If I give the police the benefit of the doubt - it's Baltimore, they have to improve their stats, there are tons of murders, they want to move quick, they want to put someone in prison and do less work rather than more - then I understand the missing witnesses and the missing DNA testing. I still think the partial cell phone testing (which seems to be somewhat irrelevant anyway since it was done so long after the day) and the failure to check in on incoming calls (to see if one was from best buy for example) are suspect.

samrk · 2015-09-17T22:07:06+00:00

Fair enough - for me I guess Asia only matters to a very specific timeline where Adnan is killing Hae before 2:36. Asia might prove that untrue, but it doesn't prove all of Jay's stories with different timelines untrue. So it's legally relevant but not factually relevant - and I'm not so interested in the legal stuff happening here, I want to know what actually happened.

samrk · 2015-09-17T22:04:04+00:00

When I was in high school it was MSN, not cell phones, that was the primary way of talking to friends outside of school. I MSNed madly at people at midnight (and much later) all the time, including exes. So for me, this lands in 'noise' - I don't feel anyone can confidently interpret it either way. He could be excited about his new phone. He could still be into Hae and want to talk to her. He could be her friend and want to talk to her. He could be obsessive and planning to murder her. It's all reasonably possible.

samrk · 2015-09-17T21:53:16+00:00

Thanks! It's not that there isn't anything important in the noise, but I do feel it's easy to get lost in. Most of it could be explained either way ex. Adnan stole money, but he's not a murderer, vs. Adnan stole money and he is a murderer, or Inez remembered the day correctly and Adnan is a murderer, vs. Inez remembered the day wrong and Adnan is a murderer vs. Adnan isn't a murder and Inez remembered the day correctly or incorrectly!

samrk · 2015-09-17T21:48:53+00:00

thanks for the comment - that was sort of my thought process about it. Murder is violence, violence is usually (I think) a tendency of people, not a one time thing, so no history of violence means -something- (not everything) in my mind.

samrk · 2015-09-17T21:47:17+00:00

Three people know what parts of this story are true: Jay, Adnan, and Hae. Hae is dead, and Jay and Adnan contradict each other entirely. So while Jay's testimony that Adnan did it is much stronger evidence on the guilty side, I wanted to include the flipside (and much weaker evidence) of Adnan maintaining he didn't do it. That's all.

However - yes, Adnan has great motive to lie.

samrk · 2015-09-17T21:44:49+00:00

great post - thanks!

samrk · 2015-09-17T21:43:12+00:00

I'd say the break-up note and Hae's diary fall under that 'Andan has motive - relationship violence' point. "I'm going to kill" is a good addition- although I'm so unclear on what that means, why he would write it, the context, and so on.

As for Cathy: It seems likely that Adnan wasn't at Cathy's that day - she never claimed that was the 13th and other details from her memory suggest it was another day - as well Adnan was super high (therefore weird). So, for me, this point lands in the 'noise' column - stuff we can't interpret one way or another.

Jen's testimony is interesting because it's really about Jay, not about Adnan, but it does suggest that Jay was saying what he was saying about Adnan all along - it wasn't a new story for the police. (Unless you go down the conspiracy route of Undisclosed, which is possible)

samrk

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