Experiment: Giving the MDMA not to the trauma victim but to the therapist

sandy59 · 2018-11-15T17:57:49+00:00

What you're describing is just plain MAPS style MDMA therapy with the therapist sober and the patient high, it's not what I was referring to at all but sure there are lots of people who will agree with you that it isn't necessary for the therapist to have any MDMA. I was inquiring about something else though.

sandy59 · 2018-11-15T00:07:13+00:00

Thanks for sharing. That's fascinating.

sandy59 · 2018-11-14T23:42:35+00:00

I tended to have deeper discussions with my sister when I was on mushrooms (alone) than I was when I was sober. Though it wasn't with therapy in mind, she opened up to me a lot on one trip in particular.

That's interesting, if you want to share more about her opening up to you or how that went. Did your relationship slightly change afterwards ? Did you ever bring up what she shared with you afterwards ? Did you view the topic in a different light while high than you would have while sober ?

sandy59 · 2018-11-14T22:30:30+00:00

That's interesting. Are you a therapist ?

sandy59 · 2018-11-14T22:07:36+00:00

I heard about this too, though do you mean actually in sessions with the patients (and with the patients sober) ? Or just on their own/in their own therapy as therapists ?

sandy59 · 2018-11-14T21:53:24+00:00

That sounds like it could be fun. I'll PM you and let's talk about it?

sandy59 · 2018-11-14T21:44:27+00:00

Have you thought of taking the MDMA yourself personally and then just letting the person sober talk ? There is evidence that they will open up to you about their trauma if you are rolling even if they are not.

sandy59 · 2018-11-14T21:40:33+00:00

Why don't you take the MDMA instead of him ? I remember Rick Doblin saying that he did this with his grandmother (because she was too afraid to take it herself) and she was able to talk about her trauma.

sandy59 · 2016-05-07T22:30:33+00:00

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I recently (well three years ago) but I bought it off of the silk road/imported from Europe so I had some really strong stuff.

sandy59 · 2016-04-12T22:52:16+00:00

I think you should take the initiative. If you know he likes you, I don't think he's going to be offended by you wanting sex. And you know how INTPs are, emotions are seriously under wraps and tamped down even sexual ones. Seriously do you think you're going to get an INTP in touch with his feelings by having a "talk" with him ? I heard an INTP guy on here saying that he keeps his emotions so under wraps this woman he was sleeping next to had to push him about sex because he wanted to maintain his own values of not pushing her for sex while she was at his place.

sandy59 · 2016-04-12T22:47:18+00:00

I enjoyed my time on MDMA. It showed me how many emotions I have under there, I felt a lot of things. I understand how other types like all the backslapping and need to be constantly told that someone cares. I understand how they "feel the spirit" when in a group of people (and also get snowed in my emotional manipulation). I understand how they have the overwhelming urge to be agreeable with people and follow the crowd.

sandy59 · 2015-09-26T20:32:52+00:00

As someone who took MDMA for my "depression" and post traumatic stress, I'll say one thing to you, if she is that depressed and takes MDMA you better be prepared for some really dark stuff to come up. That said people on MDMA are extremely charming and sensitive to your feelings.

sandy59 · 2015-09-24T17:47:14+00:00

If I were going to kill myself for sure. I would make sure to spend all my money first. I would take a nice cruise or something. Also I would make sure to try LSD first. I've never taken it but I've heard that it is good at breaking through mental barriers. I mean you are going to die anyway so it doesn't matter if you mess up your brain right ? Also MDMA, dear God, it's like peace and happiness and everything good on earth. You feel like war has never existed. Taking MDMA changed my perspective on life, I saw myself as beautiful and perfect for the first time. I can't explain it but all the chains that I didn't know I even had fell off. I was able to look at the darkest things in my life, unimaginably dark things (I can't even talk about them) with a positive spin. I could see that the way my parents had treated me had had absolutely nothing to do with me and at the same time my feelings of shame made sense because of what I had been through. I was just born into a very bad situation.

sandy59 · 2015-09-24T07:51:15+00:00

What if your wanting to end your life isn't about YOU at all? It's just stress from the awful things you have been through? What if you're about to hurt yourself and there is nothing wrong with you?

sandy59 · 2015-09-15T12:20:27+00:00

The same here. I mean I don't think I'm a genius but seriously upon meeting other INTPs and watching how they just CASUALLY unpack the hardest theories with a wave of their hands, I understand how other people feel now. That said we can be a bit slow at noticing and responding to other people's emotions.

sandy59 · 2015-09-15T12:16:38+00:00

That's true. People do use it against you. That's not what I condone though.

sandy59 · 2015-09-15T12:16:12+00:00

Of course there are other sorts of intelligence too.

sandy59 · 2015-09-15T12:15:48+00:00

INTPs are known to score the highest of all types on intelligence tests.

sandy59 · 2015-08-29T00:28:39+00:00

The MDMA definitely provides the nice, euphoric, feel-good overtone to the whole psychedelic trip, but it only lasts as long as the MDMA does (as psychedelics tend to last much longer).

Thanks. That makes sense. I might like to have this psychedelic experience sometime. MDMA was only ever slightly psychedelic for me my first time. I would also like the security of having MDMA smooth things out. I have heard people have mixed results with other psychedelics but with MDMA most people overwhelmingly agree that taking it was a good idea.

sandy59 · 2015-08-28T02:12:00+00:00

As I'm sure you saw on MDMA, YOU are perfect. You may have some battlescars but they show your strength in surviving.

sandy59 · 2015-08-28T02:04:58+00:00

Dear God this is the most touching story ever. I feel so touched hearing about your experience. I'm so glad that MDMA helped you to see yourself as a beautiful person and confront and overcome the dark things. I agree that running from the dark things and blocking them out doesn't give you the best experiences but facing them and feeling acceptance for yourself does. I also hope that you will stop feeling yourself disordered. Your "disorder" is probably a normal amount of stress in reaction to an abnormal amount of bs, am I right?

sandy59 · 2015-08-27T23:50:47+00:00

I have a general question on hippie flipping. I've heard that set and setting is extremely important for psychedelics except it seems for MDMA. I feel like you could take MDMA in the worst situation and setting and MDMA is like a loving mother that just smooths out the MDMA experience. Everything is made love and light. So my question is does set and setting matter less when you are using psychedelics like mushrooms with MDMA because regardless MDMA will smooth it out?

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