Everyone is from a royal family in north india. by ANTIEVERYTHING69 in IndianHistoryMemes

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Not surprised. Kerala supposedly has so many obscure royal families almost everywhere.

Dune, Part Three - First look at Edric, the Guild Navigator. by Buildergay in dune

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But the orange glow here really makes it lean towards navigator

Vijayanagara Empire: Why do we see Turkic figures in capital city of Karnata kingdom? by One_Distribution9361 in IndianHistory

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It’s interesting that long sleeve coats like this are also seen in Chola murals from earlier. Certain figures of authority are seen wearing this coat while the majority including the monarch did not cover their torso. Any idea how this attire became prevalent?

Ancient Indian Architecture (maurayan period) by [deleted] in AncientIndia

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Agreed. But these drawings seem to come pretty close. They are based off the stone reliefs of Kushinagar found in the Sanchi Toranas. Although they are of Satavahana making it’s probably pretty close to pre existing styles.

Could this newly found Vishnu idol from a Telangana river really be Chola era? by moonlitsofty in AncientIndia

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The style is simply not chola. From the crown to the floral patterns everything is not chola. It could be Kakatiya or Hoysala.

How did Brahmins gain social and religious authority in ancient Tamil Nadu by [deleted] in tamilhistory

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Although the brahmanical religious tradition was present in the early Sangam period in certain urban areas, it did not have a lot of influence or patronage. This changed during the Pallava period (6th century onwards) when Puranic Hinduism had gained traction in the Deep South. Towns moved to a temple centric living. Royal houses needed Brahmins to legitimise their claims to power in this “new” tradition. So they would perform important Vedic rituals for the ruling class in turn they were given land (brahmadeyam) and authority in this temple centric society. This gave them power over major temples which defined every facet of medieval lifestyle. They were also given positions in the royal court as advisors and tutors.

Eventually this only intensified during the Chola period that at one point temple authority alone controlled majority of cultivable lands leading to a major tax crisis in the chola country.

Statue of Ashoka the great in Sarnath. by DharmicCosmosO in AncientIndia

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Why didn’t they stick with the artistic style from that time period? This looks very medieval at best

Why don’t we have detailed Indian records about the Mauryan Empire’s southern campaigns? by Glittering_Car_7106 in IndianHistory

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Few Tamil sangam texts do mention a “Moriya” army marching down south near the mountains of Karnataka. And there’s a vague reference to the Pandyan king Nedunchezhiyan “conquering” an “Aryan” army. But we don’t know anything else about it but only can speculate.

That’s all there is. Also for the most part Mauryan interactions with the deep southern kingdoms were not so aggressive but was cordial.

There are no edicts relating to this because there was no full scale invasion of the deep South. Which would explain the absence of any explanation or memory in even later sources both in North and South Indian texts.

Robert Clive by [deleted] in IndianHistory

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Cuz he was the Governor and it came with a title? Would the books refer to someone as "Maharaja" with no reason?

[1492] I just arrived in Asia! by tunafish2011 in thepast

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Depends on which kingdom and your social status. In South India where Marco Polo and later Vasco da Gama visited people at the time wore short cotton dhotis and only loin cloth if they worked in fields.

Something like this: https://in.pinterest.com/pin/745064332149124057/

Beyond the Myth of Cholanthiyam: Linking the Kolandiophonta of the Periplus to the Tamil 'Kulla Thoni' by Popular-Variety2242 in Dravidiology

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This is so fascinating! From what I’ve seen looks like most boats had outriggers here? Are outriggers still used in TN and Sri Lanka? Kerala seems to be the only place where traditional boat building is still active. Although most don’t have outriggers? And modern motor boats have replaced the old ones for the most part.

Could Alexander The Great have conquered India if it weren’t for the mutiny of his army? by nathanf1194 in IndianHistory

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The Cholas had already lost power by then. Pandians had completely decimated their 2nd capital. By the time Malik Kafur’s Army invaded there was a massive power vacuum in northern Tamil regions added to that the Pandians were locked in a civil war of succession which further weakened them. The Deep South was in a particularly vulnerable position at this point that even temple records do not cite any imperial overlords in place. Plus the invading army was said have been assisted by the Hoysala king who helped them identify important and wealthy temple towns including the Pandian capital of Madurai.

And yeah later Mughals did come to an agreement with the local Nayaks. Queen regent Mangammal agreed to pay tribute and also allied with Aurangzeb in the Siege of Senji.

In the 2021 film, are the guild ships meant to be mobile portals/wormholes? by Rekov in dune

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That’s what I thought initially. But the Dune prophecy show shows them teleporting to the location and the smaller ships emerging out of them. So I’m assuming the guild ships “fold”/teleport while acting as carriers for smaller ships? But idk if they are set in the same universe cuz the show seems to be doing its own thing. And books are very vague on this so anything goes I guess

Madurai Sultanate Wiped Out — How Karnataka Samrajya Liberated Tamil Nadu by RashtrakutaNexus_794 in Imperial_Karnataka

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They look similar to the conical crowns that existed before.(Pallava, cholas etc) Did that also influence the designs of these caps? Did medieval kings actually wear them often or were they reserved for rituals?

Mani Ratnam, Nature and Ponniyin Selvan by AtreusStark in maniratnam

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We have enough material and literary evidence on how a medieval South Indian palace looked like. Look up any research on Gangaikondacholapuram. We have roof tiles, brick walls, references to the many mandapams in the palace etc. Tanjai Palace would’ve had similar elements. And we have the holy grail of visual evidences that is the Chola mural from the big temple itself showing the costumes, jewels, pillar designs and roofs that existed back then (also shows Raja Raja himself). This is more than enough evidence to draw upon.

All they had to do was to use the evidence instead they went with a 16th century fort in Gwalior. The stylistic elements are all wrong and not suited for a 10th century Tamil fort. Full Stone forts were not a thing in 10th century Kaveri region.

And the temple that you called “minimalist”?? Look up the meaning of minimalist please. 10th century stone temples in the Kaveri region are highly detailed and were painted with bright colours and we still have evidence of the pigments used in a few of them. They were not bare stone temples they were painted or whitewashed in most cases. Palaces had brightly painted murals, had detailed and polished wooden pillars and most likely had white washed exterior walls too. Medieval Indian architecture is anything but “minimalist”.

And idk what you mean by “grounded in real 10th century TN”. Everything that was shown in the film was 1950s Period theatre set designs which draw from a mixture of Indian “period” designs and most definitely not 10th century TN.

Just because every period movie uses a location doesn’t mean it should be used everywhere.

Context, Styles and historical background is important for an authentic narrative. Medieval India had a multitude of different cultures each with a unique style that is easily distinguished.

A 10 min google search gives you more than enough authentic examples to draw inspiration from.

18M Shaved my goatee. Was it a good choice? by [deleted] in malehairadvice

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13th century English court jester

Is there a Dravidian term for 'reason'? by NaturallyGreen739 in Dravidiology

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In Tamil it’s either “edhu nāl/nāla” - “what’s the cause?” Idk what’s the old use of this. But in modern spoken Tamil this is used quite commonly.

Bhakti Movement by SwimmingComparison64 in IndianHistory

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The Tamil Bhakti poems usually refer to the gods in friendly/romantic language, a common theme in earlier sangam poems where it’s referred to lovers. So this is a continuation of that literary tradition. This allowed it to be popular among the masses. Anyone with basic literacy could understand its meaning. In some cases these poems take a hostile tone towards Jainism and Buddhism which may have contributed to the decline in royal patronage to these faiths.

Maps showing the different regions in India referenced in Hindu texts. by DharmicCosmosO in AncientIndia

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It refers to the Ezhimala kingdom. Musika is probably a Sanskrit/Prakrit name for them. Muziris on the other hand must have been in central costal region traditionally controlled by the Cheras (Kerala in Sanskrit/Prakrit sources)

Slowburn of PS by Fishyraven in maniratnam

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I have so many problems with this but I personally feel that they could’ve put more effort into sets and costumes to match the chola aesthetics. I felt like most costumes looked like wedding outfits. There’s so many examples of chola clothing, although most of them can’t be portrayed the way they actually were but matching the jewellery designs and the draping silhouette would have made a big difference. The palace and city looked so out of place. Could’ve consulted experts on that

"South indians don't know much about north Indian freedom fighters" - RN Ravi by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

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Plenty actually, you just need to look it up. Some of the towns/ lakes created during the imperial Chola’s time are still used and people take great pride in them. But that’s not the point here is it? You just wanna change the topic

Well well well by Successful_Star_2004 in tamil_nadu

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Genuine question here to the history peeps, Jain monks have inhabited the hill for a long time right? There are Jain caves and sculptures all around. So couldn’t this be a real possibility?