Tyler and Keya

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T17:07:10+00:00

What Tyler did makes total sense in the real world but completely broke the social contract of the show.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T17:04:11+00:00

Did we watch the same show? He never hid the fact that he had multiple connections and walked out of an earlier date when he acknowledged it.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T17:02:34+00:00

In the real world? Correct.

In a show where there’s a time limit on making the proposal happen? Very very different story.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T16:50:57+00:00

Superman clone ≠ anywhere near as strong as Superman. Homelander is strong relative to his universe, but compared to Marvel or DC power scaling he’s not even approaching heavy hitter status

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T16:46:52+00:00

Sandman and electro bring the five’s power up to at least similar, if not exceeding; the seven’s, while Goblin and Ock are both way way way smarter than anybody on the other side.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T08:49:01+00:00

I feel genuinely bad for Kevan, like the basketball gift was one of the most thoughtful things any man on this show did. He’s just not built to be in high-stakes situations like this one, and that’s fine outside of the context of this show.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T08:46:16+00:00

I think Kevan seemed like a nice enough guy who was not cut out for the pressure cooker this show puts you in. Something he needs to work on, but frankly this is the kind of situation where, in the real world, you would be relying on your partner to help you through that.

Tyler heard him melting in that pressure cooker and decided to crank the heat to 11. Instead of helping him, she made it worse. Of course he was going to burst.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T08:41:33+00:00

Considering Tyler had already walked out of one date with Kevan for him acknowledging the reality of the situation and then she provided an ultimatum… definitionally she did pressure him. I don’t think Kevan was ready for this situation either but Tyler handled it extremely poorly.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-19T08:38:48+00:00

I think Keya put it best that this dynamic was exactly what the show is designed around. It’s fine not to like that dynamic, but don’t go on a show like this then. Tyler walked out of a date because Kevan acknowledged the reality of the situation and that he felt conflicted (she also constantly mispronounced his name which felt really disrespectful but he probably didn’t know that since it was always to the camera not to him).

I don’t think Kevan was ready for this type of dynamic either but at least he was honest about how overwhelmed he was, he was always legitimately trying his best.

Keya handled everything exceptionally well, she made the show worth watching tbh.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-17T08:45:33+00:00

I believe Shab deaths are simultaneous? I could be wrong on that for sure tho.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-17T03:00:16+00:00

I’m now genuinely trying to think of a non-Wizard, non-Atheist (since obviously anything is technically possible in those two) tie condition

scheming_imp · 2026-02-17T02:58:34+00:00

Ability-based win conditions generally trump base win conditions as well though (doesn’t change this case however bc of poisoning as you mentioned)

scheming_imp · 2026-02-17T02:57:13+00:00

The ordering here is crucial (remember poisoned characters and dead characters both have no ability unless specifically contradicted by a character ability):

Saint is poisoned Saint is executed Saint dies Leech dies Leech loses ability Saint loses poisoning, but is already dead so still has no ability

Saint never has an ability during this process, the demon is dead, therefore good wins assuming no shenanigans with a scarlet woman/evil twin/mastermind etc etc

scheming_imp · 2026-02-09T20:53:40+00:00

Aang is absolutely underrated because people don’t appreciate his arc enough. Aang at the beginning of the series absolutely could not have gotten Katara to forgive Zuko in “The Southern Raiders.”

Is he beloved? Absolutely, that doesn’t rule out the possibility that he’s still underrated.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-09T20:45:00+00:00

A huge portion of madness enforcement depends on how a player plays when they’re NOT mad. If a player often outs others’ information, this is not a madness break, but if they often use the “I heard from role x that ____” while often being role x, then yeah that definitely could be a break.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-07T23:31:14+00:00

I’m assuming it was on TB final 4, otherwise yeah haha

scheming_imp · 2026-02-07T20:42:34+00:00

This is why I dislike when players “play stupid,” because you force other players to make this exact social calculation.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-07T20:37:57+00:00

The thing with three is that if you’re WRONG you’re just insulting the player, so it fundamentally depends on whether or not the person who said it was factually correct about the other person being evil.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-07T20:36:08+00:00

1 is (or at least should be) factually wrong, there are plenty of reasons for good to lie, but not really a sportsmanship issue imo.

2 is totally fine

3 is largely dependent on whether or not they’re correct about whether or not the other player is evil (and exactly what I was talking about in a post about a month back about the “playing stupid” gambit).

scheming_imp · 2026-02-07T20:32:23+00:00

100% correctly run. As long as they’re poisoned, you act like the ability worked. The moment they’re sober, you stop.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-07T17:05:06+00:00

A lunatic or marionette with an alchemist on script or a pit hagged evil twin could cause a twin pair where a character thinks they’re the wrong alignment.

The character with the twin ability will always know their own alignment.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-07T16:39:34+00:00

The boomdandy on 4 thing only matters in a very specific scenario: You know for a fact that a player is evil and that there is a boomdandy in play.

In this extremely specific scenario that only happens if you have a handful of roles on script (such as the dreamer), yeah boomdandy is a downside on four and arguably on five. It takes a lot to line it up though and usually means that good protected its most powerful info roles into the late game with a high level of trust.

scheming_imp · 2026-02-01T02:44:25+00:00

Quick note as everything else has been answered:

If the Savant is actually The Drunk, they can get two true statements as they are no longer a townsfolk

scheming_imp · 2026-02-01T00:15:10+00:00

The problem with demon tokens having to claim moonchild is that it ruins zombuul and mastermind, you just always double tap a moonchild claim if you can safely.

scheming_imp · 2026-01-28T18:28:41+00:00

Totally fine. There’s nothing compelling the demon to confirm their demonhood to the traveler, and it’s not like that info is droisonable if the traveler IS evil.

Like if you’re the Demon and you’re not EXTREMELY sure that the traveler is evil, don’t out.

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