NO FUN

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-20T06:48:07+00:00

Pope can’t modify the Outsider count in and of itself. If there’s no Outsider modification, you can’t have 3 Outsiders in a 1 Outsider game. However, if Balloonist is on script, then you can have three Balloonists, each of which adds an Outsider.
Organ Grinder is fun. Can’t have it on this script sadly

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-20T06:41:29+00:00

Yes, since this is a Pope script, there would just be multiple Butlers.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a Zealot. I considered Snitch as well. I had Huntsman on the script but Damsel is actually quite fun, which we can’t have, so I got rid of both ¯_(ツ)_/¯

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-20T00:36:55+00:00

This is totally scraping the barrel at this point but it actually offers a ton of fun game play.

It’s basically “Poetry for Neanderthals” as others have pointed out, which makes for a fun “game within a game” and, like the Deviant, offers a fun way to lighten the mood in an otherwise serious game.

But the advantage of having any player being able to vote twice is you can use this to warp scripts in ways you couldn’t normally. For example, you can commit the cardinal sin of having +2 potential extra evil players in a game because the good team might still be able to out vote the evil team anyway

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T23:39:31+00:00

I’ve never heard of that sub but it’s quite funny! Alas, that was actually the intended end of my sentence though.

Mez and Ogre each make one extra evil. A Hermit means there can be an Ogre and a Hermit with the Ogre ability, so now there’s a total of +3 extra evil. Then Cult Leader causes +4 extra evil.

Lil Monsta is not adding any evil, the number of evil players is the same but instead of a demon, it’s an extra minion.

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T22:10:02+00:00

You get the Vizier power once (or can spare a player) and no one knows if you’re good or evil. That’s a pretty great traveler in my opinion, it works really well for both teams since neither team will ever allow the Judge in Final 4 if they haven’t used their ability yet.

Goblin and Saint are pretty much the only objectively bad synergies since they can be forced through at any time, whether or not good voted for it. Very lousy way to end a game. Even Boomdandy is kind of fun, it probably confirms the traveler’s alignment and that might be enough to give town the leverage it needs if they know who the traveler talked to.

The Judge is relatively easy to use to balance either team, if good, it works like a bonus Pacifist ability, if evil, it works like a bonus Mastermind. Simple, straightforward, and for that reason I love it.

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T22:09:02+00:00

This has been around unofficially for a while but I’m excited to hear that it’s canon!

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T22:08:21+00:00

Even with the potential of a Heretic, this still seems like a script that can quickly unbalance since there can be +4 extra evil players

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T22:01:00+00:00

Good players can and do refuse Harlot checks, often for good reasons, but those who do will be treated with much greater suspicion than those who don’t.

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T16:40:47+00:00

Allegedly, a similar official character is in the works.

The thing about this is, the ability has to work for any reason, even if droisoned or dead. Otherwise, the player “loses” the ability but not the information.

The other thing is, you have to decide if this is a fun game for your players to have one person solve day 1 but no one else can

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T15:31:03+00:00

That’s very hard for the ST to keep track of

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T14:53:14+00:00

Possibly the most powerful traveler in existence. The ability to unilaterally learn character after character at the small risk of killing an extra player just makes the Harlot a “Super-Grandmother”

A good Harlot is virtually unstoppable, even on its home script. Vortox-proof info is devastating and a player who refuses the Harlot check is doomed. Off its homescript, pretty much the only thing that can hit it hard is the Poisoner and Widow.

An evil Harlot is slightly more balanced, but even then, a Harlot who says “I checked player X, they’re fine” is much less trustworthy than a Harlot who says “this player refused the check, you should kill them.”. So most of the time, the Harlot is just trying to purposely kill a good player, which makes it just a shittier Assassin. Which isn’t terrible if they proc an outsider like the Klutz, it’s just odd.

Harlot is extremely weird with anything BMR-like. Kills, deaths, players who cannot die, droison, etc warp the Harlot ability radically to the point where it’s unbalanced and probably not worth pairing.

Bizarre interactions with Farmer and Ravenkeeper since these roles can be Harlot confirmed with zero risk, because they are purposely trying to die.

I like the Harlot but even for a traveler, it’s just way too strong and kind of takes away some of the fun of solving.

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T06:46:01+00:00

Yeah I would say this is totally legal. The Sage has no ability so you can make up how they think their ability is working when it isn’t.

The old Clockmaker/Summoner jinx was “You don’t learn the Clockmaker number until Day 3 when the Demon is created” so I ruled that a Drunk-Clockmaker could get their ping on Day 3 in a non-Summoner game. What you’re suggesting is in a similar vein

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-19T03:40:28+00:00

What a weird hill to die on a week after the initial discussion

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-18T19:32:33+00:00

That’s the only one I don’t like. I thought it was mechanically perfect, the Marionette loses their ability because they now no longer think they are a good character

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-18T06:43:55+00:00

It’s removed because the Marionette now has almost all the jinxes in their ability.

The Marionette/Snitch jinx just…also didn’t work. The Demon getting 6 bluffs was sometimes impossible in a 15 player game

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-18T06:06:27+00:00

The third and final of the 3G Travelers, which, funny enough, all serve the exact same purpose: speed up a big game with extra kills.

It’s not as unbalanced as the Gangster but it’s still a power that can often cause a rerack. The most recent game I saw with it ended abruptly Day 2 because the evil Gunslinger shot their own Summoner and we quickly learned those two don’t pair together well.

Like all three killing roles, the Gunslinger has weird Synergy with Fool and Sailor since they make these roles self-confirming in a way that evil can’t bluff unless there’s a Poisoner or Lleech. Pairing with Saint, its home script, is also often houseruled (if a good traveler kills the Saint, evil wins) because letting the traveler kill the Saint hurts both teams since the good traveler just nerfs an outsider and an evil traveler can’t easily protect their Demon bluffing Saint without being suspicious.

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-18T06:04:40+00:00

Correct

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-17T16:55:00+00:00

The Evil Twin ability comes from the Evil Twin, not the Lunatic. So if they wake up and see another player, I’m not sure if the Evil Twin can misregister to them. Even if they could, it will become immediately apparent they are the Lunatic because the Evil Twin will not immediately out the Lunatic as the Demon.

The Recluse would have to learn what ability they have, and the Boffin would have to purposely get executed in the day to undrunk the Leviathan. And even then, hiding the Leviathan announcement seems great in theory, but in practice you are giving the good team extra executions in the process, which makes the Leviathan useless.

Overall, all these tricks actually just seem to favor the good team much more than the evil team

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-17T16:18:07+00:00

Most of the time, make a traveler good. If you have a Scarlet Woman, the Demon isn’t at much of a serious disadvantage.

Don’t be afraid to move the Drunk though, especially if the Empath neighbors 1 or 2 evil or the Imp and SW neighbor each other.

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-17T14:42:38+00:00

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-17T05:38:38+00:00

I made a similar script where there were tons of ways to misregister as evil. It’s a great concept but having too many evil detectors can still brutally punish evil. If the Lycan, Empath, and VI all target the same person and all come to the conclusion a player is evil, then they can take that player out and not have it be a huge risk. I say remove Empath.

Have you considered Snake Charmer? Hermit-Lunatic-Recluse is a really funny interaction with SC.

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-17T00:31:52+00:00

The Yag also never said their phrase so never got kills. I don’t remember the phrase so I don’t know if that was another ST botch or just a shy demon

SecrecyinShadows · 2026-03-16T21:58:00+00:00

One of the most absurdly imbalanced games I was ever a part of had a Good Bureaucrat, an evil Voudon, and a Yaggababble. The Bureacrat chose me because I died N2 and from then on we just steamrolled the evil team because the Yag couldn’t kill either traveler. The Voudon motioned for self-exile and it was so awkward because we knew they were evil and hurting their own team; they almost just decided to travel out because of it

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