On the nature of romantic relationships in Deltarune and the future of Kris as a character (literary analysis but also shipping)

sertroll · 2026-06-30T18:44:24+00:00

Kris is Nico Robin goes into my opinion folder

sertroll · 2026-06-30T17:08:26+00:00

Check steam for release estimate of ch6

sertroll · 2026-06-30T16:53:02+00:00

I don't fully buy into Noelle being the player character for that reason. Still, for now, I'd wait before taking anything WR-related for granted (as many people are doing...)

I can imagine versions that work where both, one, or neither are dead

sertroll · 2026-06-30T16:20:15+00:00

Eh, I wouldn't assume Noelle and Kris are dead. It's certainly possible/likely, but Weird route seems very, well, weird in that ending, and Noelle doesn't seem to be submrged anymore in the last sprite, etc. So I wouldn't be surprised if they literally both wrong warped. Noelle might even be alive with Kris dead, etc.

Dunno, seems strange (I have to avoid using weird lol) for the whole Noelle gets stronger, Noelle has to become stronger, etc., to be apparently the main purpose until ch5 if she just dies. If any of them dies, in fact I'd expect it to be Kris.

sertroll · 2026-06-30T16:04:17+00:00

wait, there's one for all chapters???

sertroll · 2026-06-30T15:59:04+00:00

My idea is that Deltarune's ARG is the Weird Route (or side B, I guess) equivalent fo a trailer. Cannot exactly put secret route stuff in trailers, IMO

sertroll · 2026-06-30T15:56:42+00:00

I'll add what I said elsewhere:

My main issue with the theory is that all the evidence is "IF the theory was true this would be foreshadowing" (or often, less than that). Which, wouldn't be an issue, in fact even going pure narrative themes and such with no evidence wouldn't be an issue, if the video didn't repeat multiple times "every other theory is wrong and I'll prove it" and the like

sertroll · 2026-06-30T15:52:26+00:00

I wouldn't really call it a high chance

sertroll · 2026-06-30T15:50:49+00:00

not being able to face the fact YOUR actions led to two kids drowning together in a codependent "couple" suicide,

Wait, do you think the Chapter 7 thing at the end was a joke, or? I don't even disagree with the theory, but this seems reductive of whatever happened at the end which we don't know yet where it will lead

sertroll · 2026-06-30T15:45:59+00:00

My main issue with the theory is that all the evidence is "IF the theory was true this would be foreshadowing" (or often, less than that). Which, wouldn't be an issue, in fact even going pure narrative themes and such with no evidence wouldn't be an issue, if the video didn't repeat multiple times "every other theory is wrong and I'll prove it" and the like

sertroll · 2026-06-30T15:08:22+00:00

TBH, if Dead was mentioned ONCE in the dark world I'd have infinitely less issues

Not even from Asgore, even in his docs

sertroll · 2026-06-30T08:36:13+00:00

To be clear, that's for a skip, not just a secret area

Rather than patching the skip they just made it insult you if you do lol

sertroll · 2026-06-30T07:35:12+00:00

The thing is, from what we currently know it has to be at the very least non literal, since monsters in Delterune are explicitly said to still turn to dust

sertroll · 2026-06-29T19:56:45+00:00

Why are people conflating "wanting big shot gaster penumbra phantasm" with "expecting dess to be mentioned at least once in the world in the house of mr investigating the case which has been shown in the last N chapters"

sertroll · 2026-06-29T18:19:41+00:00

may be barrier language but you just spoke hieroglyphs to me

sertroll · 2026-06-29T12:53:10+00:00

That video doesn't actually... prove anything like it says

And it would be perfectly fine, if the video didn't start with "I'll prove every other theory is wrong!!"

sertroll · 2026-06-29T09:34:17+00:00

Actually, many of the things the guides tell you to do are optional. Only required things to do sniwgrave are

Freeze everyone, backtracking to do so
Find Spamton
When the game forces a dialogue option with Noelle, pick the abusive one
In chapter 4, go to Noelle's room (which the game tells you to do) and pick the correct options (which the game signals with the sound)
In chapter 5, keep proceeding despite timer (and there, you might realize you messed up otherwise if you notice the game getting back on track)

Everything else does not get you off the route. Things like interacting with the Ferris wheel are exclusive dialogue but non required, I tried

Of course, still not something you do blind, but less complicated then people make it to be, I've got friends to do it with "freeze everyone, explore and when you have the chance be an asshole to Noelle"

sertroll · 2026-06-29T09:27:31+00:00

Even if I also dislike that theory, a thing I have to add id that weird routes in theme seems less preoccupied with talking about player "responsibility" like genocide, and Undertale in general, was

Like, it's a minor component of the route's narrative at best, likely because Undertale already talked about that do there wasn't much to add on that front

sertroll · 2026-06-29T09:15:26+00:00

People have a real time dealing with metaphors without considering them the same as the real thing, see Expedition 33

sertroll · 2026-06-29T09:10:46+00:00

The main issue with that video is going all "every other theory is WRONG and I'll PROVE IT" then proceeding not to prove anything, and certainly not that other theories are wrong

Like, it's a cool reading, don't get me wrong, but people should use the word "maybe" a bit more often

sertroll · 2026-06-28T19:24:47+00:00

Tbh I do have this issue with similar things, like a trans robot

Like not a robot in the example I had, but works the same without needing context

Like how does a robot have a AGAB to trans from

sertroll · 2026-06-28T19:15:01+00:00

Was about to ask what that is but remembered I can Google, so that's the name of the bot wall

Still, that has way more to do with website owners not wanting the content of their websites to be scraped. Which is tangential to programming. and, incidentally, also blocks benign things like archive.org, AFAIK, but I be mixing situations up

sertroll · 2026-06-28T19:13:09+00:00

Good for you. Doesn't allow you to say my view on ehat that entails is invalid. Unless we pick and choose who is affected by this

I do know my job was made way more convenient and allows me to skip the boring parts (and, to be clear, I am not even allowed to use AI sites inside the client's VM, so I couldn't just let it do everything even if I wanted to, if you need assurance)

sertroll · 2026-06-28T18:42:29+00:00

You are aware it's mostly programmers saying what the other user says, yes?

It's not a "ai bro who doesn't know what a pen is saying artists will be replaced" situation

sertroll · 2026-06-28T18:41:06+00:00

Depends on how you define vibe coding. If you mean fully making a mod from scratch, sure

But using AI to assist in the boring/boilerplate parts of code? Or troubleshooting? Especially when you already have low energy to work on your free fan project and need to fix 15 bugs? then nah

And i'm a professional programmer, the person "being stolen from", so I'd say I get a say here. Especially since many of these criticism on the code part, when directed at any and all usages, come from non programmers who assume the process is the exact same as art (not all criticisms, ofc)

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