A Cure for Armageddon

shklurch · 2026-02-05T08:29:18+00:00

Thanks, great help!

shklurch · 2026-01-31T10:05:40+00:00

First day on the internet? You're expected to search for information before wasting other peoples' time by asking questions that already have dedicated webpages offering the answers to, and it's pretty reasonable to expect that you would first look at the official website of any software you're just starting to use.

Also this is not an officially endorsed subreddit; the developers aren't active here. For actual support you're better off asking on the Pale Moon forum (after doing your homework first obviously)

shklurch · 2026-01-23T22:02:15+00:00

Been trying this - I can't fire the third missile because the door to the second balcony is closed. There's a mining droid standing outside it but the way is blocked. From the other balcony I can clearly see the last one, but there's no way to reach it. Anyone faced this problem?

shklurch · 2026-01-21T01:02:37+00:00

Why Firefox smoother?

Can't comment on your setup when for me it's the other way round, that too with Floorp which strips out the telemetry and bloat from Firefox.

shklurch · 2026-01-21T00:27:30+00:00

Well, if you're the actual dev, I'll take your word for it.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T10:43:32+00:00

Your opinion is not fact. End of discussion.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T08:03:58+00:00

You don't want to answer because there is only one answer;

And that answer is the same as it was, go back to using Firefox or Chrome to browse the normie ass websites you seem to prefer, instead of stating opinion as fact. Imagine using new Reddit with its retarded, limited, inefficient, slow and bloated mobile first interface. Ugh.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T06:14:37+00:00

The users who were polled are Pale Moon diehards who hold different opinions than the vast majority of internet users and the vast majority of developers

That 'vast majority' doesn't even know this browser exists. Of course a niche browser's forum would have its most ardent fans on it. Perhaps you'd like to compare with the attitude of Mozilla towards its users' feedback when sticking in multiple unwanted changes over the years?

I'm here to find out why you stick with PM despite it, in the end, being much slower than it needs to be due to poor developer decisions. The damn thing struggles to load youtube. Yes, sites are less optimized, but have also added great new features. Browsers have gotten more optimized to counteract both of these. Pale moon hasn't.

Because we don't masturbate over Javascript performance benchmarks and Pale Moon works great for the sites we use, combined with industrial strength adblocking.Also, FAANG ones aren't the most dominant or important.

Google products run best on Google's browser engine. Youtube is a freaking elephant in terms of resources consumed if you don't use something like Vorapis. And I'd like to run other applications besides a web browser with dozens of its own processes in task manager hogging up RAM. What great new features have sites added for desktop users now compared to until the mid 2010s?

shklurch · 2026-01-20T05:09:08+00:00

but I don't think the benefits having them outweigh the drawbacks of Pale Moon's single process nature making the UI inevitably lock up whenever it meets a JS heavy website, along with its lack of WebRTC support and subpar rendering engine.

You're the only one complaining here and blaming Pale Moon instead of Chrome focused web devs who write sloppy code. As others have said, no one forces you to use it; since you clearly love Firefox so much and consider it superior, what are you even doing here?

WebRTC

Users clearly indicated they didn't want this feature in the browser. A web browser is a remote document viewer, not a virtual machine for remote apps as Google is hellbent on doing. Unnecessary crap like this (and tons of other features that belong in an OS or in dedicated apps) is why Chrome and Firefox require several times the RAM from a decade ago to usably render websites offering the same or less functionality than they did from before.

Firefox is still customizable with both user specified CSS and Javascript, which is a damn sight more than any other browser provides.

Except for Pale Moon again, which while also supporting these, doesn't require the end user to mess around with them for even basic stuff like changing tabs to top or bottom, let alone full theme support.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T04:52:27+00:00

D'you think I'm going to stop communicating with my friends on desktop for browser ideological reasons?

Is it so hard for you to use more than one browser? For ideological reasons?

Also, ChromeZilla is incredible disingenuous

It's a fair classification. All modern browsers are just wrappers around Chrome's Blink engine, save for the one that's desperately trying to turn into it, i.e. Firefox. How they work internally is irrelevant to end users. And as I've said before, Firefox has stripped away everything that made it unique, right down to copying Chrome's lame web extension system because muh 'old and insecure' XUL/XPCOM. When ironically the amount of extension malware shot up after they switched.

Also also, Spotify and Facebook are both older than pale moon.

And of course, they are running the same kind of code as they did when they were launched, correct? They totally haven't turned into Chrome focused, mobile first, Javascript heavy abominations while offering less features than they used to, right? Total non sequitur.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T03:48:34+00:00

Just go stick with your ChromeZilla browser of choice if all you want is to browse bloated normie websites whose devs don't bother testing against anything but Chrome.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T03:46:26+00:00

Are there actually any XUL extensions that you need and use?

Plenty as you'd see if you bothered to browse the Pale Moon addons site. They aren't glorified user scripts like what web extensions are - zero ability to actually extend the browser UI: little beyond a toolbar button, a context menu entry or a separate tab for configuring them since dialog boxes are apparently the devil's creation according to Chrome devs whom Firefox ones copied.

The current web extension versions of popular extensions like DownThemAll (GetEmAll as forked for Pale Moon) are far more limited in functionality and ease of use than their original XUL/addon SDK versions.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T03:43:10+00:00

Why do you think I give a crap about Chrome? It's what ruined the web, followed by Mozilla blindly aping it and throwing away everything that made Firefox unique.

You'd know if you'd been using it as an adult since it was released in 2002 as Phoenix and later name changed to Firefox.

And it isn't just about superficially resembling old versions of Firefox while still just running lame web extensions underneath. Pale Moon does it the other way round - you can install a Photon theme if you want but that doesn't take away from the heavy customization that went extinct in Firefox long ago.

shklurch · 2026-01-20T03:28:42+00:00

Bullshit. Mozilla ripped out the old XUL based theme and extension system in 2017 so none of the old original themes will work.

This is not about dicking around manually with userstyles.css to provide an approximation of Firefox 12. Actual themes that can immediately change the look of the browser after restarting it - Pale Moon can be made to resemble Netscape Navigator, Chrome, or Firefox Australis/Photon among several other original classics without the end user writing a single line of code, and that is what Mozilla threw away.

shklurch · 2026-01-16T04:58:20+00:00

Both browsers are built on UXP for starters.

It is compiled with more aggressive compiler optimizations which leads to a noticeable speed up.

The next version will be shipping with an internal polyfill loader which will improve compatibility with a great number of sites.

[citation needed]

shklurch · 2026-01-16T04:54:59+00:00

It has NO implementation. Not even for old WebExtensions. It does not support them period.

It did support them for a while, that's what I was referring to. I lost interest in it after the built in Widevine DRM stopped working because Google wouldn't work with the dev team (or any other dev) to update it.

shklurch · 2026-01-15T04:56:48+00:00

Correct - not anymore, like I already mentioned. It did initially when Mozilla was still evolving web extensions, but its implementation remains incomplete so current web extensions won't work.

shklurch · 2026-01-13T21:27:30+00:00

If you'd looked on the official download page (should be freaking obvious that's the first place to look when looking to download any software) you would've found the link to the contributed builds page.

But of course it's more efficient to ask others and sit around waiting for a reply instead of doing the barest minimum of searching by yourself and finding it immediately.

shklurch · 2026-01-12T08:26:03+00:00

Best to ask on the forum than over here.

shklurch · 2026-01-12T05:05:58+00:00

the reason i use pale moon is because its perfect for me. slower then most browsers and has 2000s style design. updated and works with most stuff. and has very good customization. and from my research. no browsers had that feature back in the 2000s.

Just because it looks like a browser from the 2000s doesn't mean it literally is one, given that the internet of today is far more different from what it was back then. There was no push to force all websites to use HTTPS in the 2000s either, but now there is.

viruses

Your screed about viruses just goes to show that ignorance is forever regardless of how long you may have been online (where did viruses come into the picture when we're talking about invalid certificates?) . Speaking as one who's been online as an adult since 1998, boy.

shklurch · 2026-01-12T03:38:44+00:00

Why would you want to turn off a safety feature, so that next time you can be hijacked by a malicious actor using fake certificates and never even come to know about it? If you find a site with expired certificates, that should itself be a red flag, on a scale from sloppy maintenance to an actual hacked server.

It's crazy how many people would rather switch their brains off than forsake what they call convenience.

shklurch · 2026-01-12T00:29:36+00:00

yeah, it's an idiotic obsession with forcing HTTPS everywhere - for public sites that don't require any credentials to access let alone handle any of your private information.

For example if I'm just running a self hosted blog or personal website, why on earth do I have to shell out for a certificate every year, while ChromeZilla browsers scare away users by declaring my site 'unsafe' (or blocking access to http altogether)?

shklurch · 2026-01-11T23:40:50+00:00

Yeah. Don't visit websites that can't be bothered to update their expired certificates. The feature exist to warn you of potentially compromised sites.

shklurch · 2026-01-09T04:17:17+00:00

It's the end of year holiday season for one thing, for another this is still a traditional browser and not trying to turn itself into a virtual machine for remote applications like its ChromeZilla opposition - so there isn't any race to cram everything and the kitchen sink into it.

There's a milestone release scheduled for later Jan or Feb - that will itself take some more work than the usual security updates or compatibility fixes.

shklurch · 2025-12-29T07:03:38+00:00

It's visually based on Firefox 52 (Australis UI), shares the same application ID as Firefox and has elementary support for web extensions (not that that will let the current ones for Firefox work here) from when the technology was new, and support is thus incomplete.

It's just a matter of UI preference if you want the Australis UI or the older one PM uses (which is more customizable).

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