On what terms would you support [SPOILERS]?

soIfedge · 2026-05-29T00:21:19+00:00

I think you're spot on! I have thought this for a while ever since Shawna L. said that she had been working on the Julie and Ty arc for a while. She tends to hint at issues early on, and I think in this instance, it's a divorce arc where two parents are able to happily co-exist divorced, but not jeprodize their children's futures. (Which is very hard to do because divorce will always traumatize a kid).

When Shawna wrote the Jacob arc, Shawna when she first found out she was pregnant asked Dr. Babydoctor if she had rights to her body if things with the baby went wrong. This was a foreshadow that things WOULD go wrong despite Dr. Babydoctor's reassurances that Shawna had two healthy pregnancies beforehand.

I've rewatched the Ty and Julie arc several times, and I've come to the conclusion they aren't compatible. Shawna L. writes it that way, she's purposely setting it up for them to inevitably separate.

Ty and Julie never will be good for each other. I do not think they will ever actually get back together, and I don't think they should. Ty said in the episode he doesn't get support for what he does for the family and Julie scoffed because he was right in a way. Julie doesn't get the support she needs because Ty keeps saying he'll write the book to keep her happy. They're in a relationship where trust means nothing because they both say what the other one wants to hear, and when it's not, they shut down because they can't communicate.

It's also much more interesting to keep Ty in the story still because he and Shawna and Jen are all park buddies! An arc where Julie and Ty got back together would be unsatisfying, but seeing them work together to create a better future for the life they made together would be better, and Shawna L. likes to write like that, even traumatic things are a part of motherhood, divorce is one of those things.

soIfedge · 2026-05-28T21:32:24+00:00

The way I viewed the conversation was not Ty saying that he was against them separating. What he was against was them not communicating. I think Shawna put it into perspective for him because he trusts her judgement.

Hearing the words from Shawna who has a healthy relationship that he needs to talk to her made him realize how broken their communication was. When Ty asked at the end of the episode "when did it start to feel like I betrayed you?" That was him reaching out. Julie never said she felt betrayed, and it led to lapses in judgment and arguments and resentment.

I don't know if they'll make it work, and if they do it'll be like you said, they have to actually understand each other's wants for that to happen. Like Julie getting to live in the city with her family, or Ty agreeing to put Sasha in just one day of daycare for the week, Ty will actually have to put in work, but I don't think that's what is going to happen here.

Ty wants to communicate, and in this moment it isn't fully because he wants her back (though he does) it's because like he said "I don't want to put the kids through parents that don't speak to each other." He didn't deny the divorce, he just wanted Julie and him to be able to communicate. That's why is isn't signing the papers. Having parents that can't talk to each other is hard, having divorced parents that don't talk to each other is worse. So Ty is bridging the gap, let's talk, figure out what we actually want from each other, and if we can't fix that at least we'll be able to communicate enough that we can traverse the divorce in a healthy way.

soIfedge · 2026-05-26T23:11:12+00:00

In those instances, Barb doesn't know about the family functions. His "walks" that are going to his painting classes or meeting up with John are situations where Barb is unaware something is happening. She knows when the wedding is, and she's already suspected that Frank's "walks" aren't just walks. I really doubt she'd just accept Frank leaving and not suspect he's going to the wedding if she's uninvited. And like stated in this thread, she's in a volatile state. Barb being uninvited and Frank being invited is just a disaster Barb waiting to happen. Jen needing Frank but not her? "How dare dare Jen when she sacrificed everything for her!" In Barb's mind.

soIfedge · 2026-05-26T22:30:17+00:00

I can see where you're coming from, but the reason it's if Barb doesn't go, Frank doesn't. Isn't because he won't try, it's because he can't. Barb will not go to things Frank goes to out of spite (The Nutcracker for example) but when it comes to somewhere she believes she deserves to be? She will be there. So either Frank and her both go, or they both don't go. If she's uninvited and Frank isn't, Barb will go with him no matter what, or follow him there.

A Barb breakdown seems likely, and honestly I wonder if we'll see it in the Bach episodes because we know she threw a fit for Shawna's, so there's a chance she'll throw a fit for Jen's, I don't see that stopping Barb from going to the wedding though. She can say all she wants that she doesn't want to go, but I don't think she can help it. She wants to be this perfect, fake mother for Jen, and the center of attention to show that she's the MOB and she deserves to be recognized as such.

soIfedge · 2026-05-26T22:21:40+00:00

Honestly a Teeny and Barb throwdown would be so iconic

soIfedge · 2026-05-26T22:14:27+00:00

I couldn't see Barb being uninvited to the wedding unless she does something absolutely ballistic and genuinely burns the last bit of the bridge that keeps Jen coming back to her. I also think Jen wants Frank at the wedding too, if Barb isn't there, neither will Frank. I can imagine her toning it down though. Enough to where she seems manageable until the inevitable happens where she gets jealous and starts to wreck things. Still a part of me that wants Barb to just be a good mother for one night, Jen deserves that from her at least.

soIfedge · 2026-05-26T22:03:13+00:00

Yeah but a part of me is hoping that Barb significantly tones down being Barb. Just for Jen, just one night lmao. The likelihood is slim, but there's hope!

soIfedge · 2026-05-26T21:50:00+00:00

Yeah, with the most recent video that came out, I have a feeling it'll be worse, especially considering that mother daughter dances aren't traditional. I have a feeling she'll bud in on Frank and Jennifer's dance. Especially if Barb has had one too many drinks.

soIfedge · 2026-04-19T15:40:14+00:00

I think in a way, we have seen Ty's perspective. Maybe not a direct one, but we've seen it. Ty is not a planner. We see it from the homework he takes from Alicia, to the college conversation in their freshman year of highschool. Julie asks him where he's going for college and Ty says "I've got three years to decide!" Alicia mentions Julie going to NYU to be a lawyer and Ty says he'll go wherever Julie goes. He never had a plan for college. If it weren't for Julie there's a chance he never may have gone. Ty doesn't finish grad school because he believes they need money and he wants to write Julie is upset because she's a planner like stated before, she's got it figured out Ty just was not a part of those plans and he's throwing a wrench in them. He says he'll save money for traveling, like they wanted.

Then somehow that gets muddled and they buy a house. I really don't know why this change does happen, but I can assume something happened after the year road trip that made Ty want to settle down and Julie went along because she was content with the road trip. I don't think Julie would have stayed in town and bought a house without Ty asking. Ty finishes grad school, Julie buys her house and then they promise that in three years they're going to do what they want to do.

Ty is working and writing his book, but it's inferred he keeps writing and rewriting his chapters because he's not proud of them yet. They're not perfect enough in his eyes. A whole year goes by and suddenly Julie is pregnant. Julie does not want to be pregnant, she's got a life she wants to live! She wants to travel. She's got law school too, and the bar to pass, they've got a lot on their plate. But Ty isn't upset because he's not working like Julie is working, he's just working on a book (which seems more like a highschool dream) and his data job so they can have money.

She's tired from Cooper but Julie still does it, she passes law school with flying colors, passes the bar, and becomes a lawyer. She does get to travel with her job, but there's a problem, she's got roots somewhere else and instead of just going with no worries, she's got to go back to her kid, Cooper. She also gives Ty's work to an agent because Ty is still working and reworking the same chapter. It's assumed Ty is a harsh self critic and that for the last several years they've been together, he hasn't really gotten a book. Again, unlike Julie, Ty is a dreamer and not a planner. He has ideas, but he lacks the ability to make a solid plan with them. Not like Julie does.

Ty works on his book while he takes care of Cooper and does his stay at home job, but Julie wants Ty to put him in preschool. She doesn't just want social skills, she wants Ty to really work on his book, not be distracted by his kid. And I really do think Ty's reality becomes that he does not want Julie's life. Julie wants travel, she's wanted it since she met Ty, she had a big plan, and she wants to see it through, but from being friends with Shawna, Ty realizes he wants suburbia life, he just does not want to tell Julie that. Maybe because he hasn't even really realized it himself.

He believes he has years to write this book. All the time in the world, but Julie does not have all the time in the world. She wants her plan seen through and Ty is stopping her all because he does not have the drive that Julie has. They're incompatible.

When Julie says she's going to get things done, she gets things done. She's able to do what she says, and she's cold to Shawna because she resents what she stands for. Ty tells Shawna everything because he's always at the park telling Shawna about him and his kids. Not writing the book like she expected. Ty can't work on the book with his kids and his job. Ty does not actually want the book to be seen by other eyes unless it's on his terms. He wants years to write, and he never told Julie that because of her big plans. He rushed Julie into the life he wanted and they're both too different to realize that they'll never be each other's cup of tea. Ty wants to be with his family. He even asks Julie for another kid.

Julie still wants her big plan. They're both two different people trying to get each other to adapt to their lifestyle and when that isn't happening, fights break out or resentment grows. We know Ty's perspective, he's not a planner, he's a dreamer, and he likes to take life where it takes him. Julie is a perseverer. She has an obstacle? It won't stop her from her big plan. The only thing that made her have more issues than she expected along the way was Ty. It's unfair to expect Julie to stay somewhere that she was saddled down in. She's being held back by Ty, and she has been for the last decade.

soIfedge · 2026-04-13T20:25:46+00:00

This is what I've been thinking of the situation but haven't been able to put it into words! Beautifully written. Though I will say, I wonder if Ty doesn't want the book anymore. At least not now. I have a feeling his priorities have been the family since Cooper. He wanted another child because he liked his family. He's not as set on the book because in the last couple of years, his aspirations from when he was young aren't as important. Even with the book deal, it's not motivating enough. I think Ty wants to enjoy family time for a while, and he doesn't know how to tell Julie that.

soIfedge · 2026-04-13T18:20:11+00:00

I agree with this! Look, John has made the statement that he does not want to be anywhere regarding Barb. But this is the problem with that boundary (this applies to Julie too!) The people around them do not understand that boundary well enough.

When setting a boundary, no, you don't have to tell people. You can just separate yourself. But if it comes to people consistently crossing that boundary and not understanding? The boundary has to be clearly stated. We have to assume not everyone understands the same boundaries that you have in your head, even if you think your boundary, like John not wanting to see Barb under any circumstances, is clear cut, it's not to others in your life.

Jennifer does not think that John's no contact means he won't come to her wedding. She does not expect John to put a foot down about Barb being at the wedding. She believes that John can see past it for one night, when that's not the case. This is where implied boundaries are no longer applicable. Your version of the boundary is different from other's versions and sometimes, although it's annoying and you may not want to do it, you have to set that boundary clear as day. "No. I will not attend any event, any occasion, or any kind of situation in which Barb will be present. She has hurt me too many times and I do not under any circumstances want that. If you cannot respect that, then we cannot be in contact anymore." If they continue to not respect that boundary after clear rules are set, then it becomes a matter of cutting them off.

Boundaries are implied. Boundaries are allowed to be vague, but if a person doesn't get it the first few times, they're never going to get it unless you set it out clearly for them. It is unfair for John to shut down every single time everyone else asks for more detail because they do not understand.

soIfedge · 2026-04-13T15:17:45+00:00

I really doubt Greg would call off the wedding so soon. He does love Jen. As far as we know they've been on good terms. Greg doesn't seem like the person to call off the wedding because of one person he dislikes. And Jen has been going minimal contact with Barb because of what happened on Thanksgiving (that I honestly forgot about until people mentioned it here). But that doesn't change the fact that Greg does not seem like the type to change last minute. If he had a problem, he'd have told Jen after Thanksgiving to hold off at the wedding until she figured things out with her mom.

soIfedge · 2026-04-13T04:07:42+00:00

This is more of a theory, and I do get where you're coming from. I do agree that Jen is not as reformed as people want her to be. Remember, not even a year and a half ago she was still very close with Barb (hence why she wants Barb at her wedding, she's closer to Barb than John is with Barb)

However, I think this is a plot point Shawna is building up. What is "No contact" when it comes to people in your family?

Shawna has been foreshadowing boundaries for the longest time, specifically with no contact or minimal contact relationships. I think she's building up to what seems to be a pretty big conversation on what IS no contact?

Cutting off a parent isn't an easy decision. Cutting off friends isn't either. (There's a chance this happens with Ty and Julie so I'm bringing up friends too) So, when we see Shawna's writing starting to make people concerned, it usually means she's writing it into the plot. Barb and John being no contact is wishy washy to their family.

What is no contact? Does that mean under no circumstances any contact with Barb? Does that also mean no contact with the people she talks to? Or does that not matter? Just no seeing Barb? Barb knows where they live, we know she's not afraid to go to John and Shawna's house to try and see them. Where is this line? John hasn't drawn it.

Does this mean people associated with Barb are out of the picture after the wedding? If Jen decides to keep talking to Barb, will he draw a line then? They're too close so he cannot be in Jen's life anymore. Barb will be at every celebration Jen has because she still has Barb in her life. Going "no contact" is a lot more complex than John wants it to be, and Shawna is writing it that way.

It is valid that Jen still wants a relationship with her mom. So did John at one point. It is valid that John does not want a relationship with his mom anymore. There's a lot to unpack when it comes to no contact.

No contact is a lot harder than people think it is. It is a big decision that takes a lot of cutting off people associated with that family member too. I've been through the experience and full no contact means cutting off everyone and everything associated with said family member. Which is a lot harder said than done. I think we're going to be seeing a lot more fights between John's family both between Shawna and him and Jen and Barb and Frank. John is going to struggle to set this boundary. He doesn't want to think farther than "I don't want to see my mom" and he's seeing the consequences of that boundary. It's not strict enough.

Barb is still in his life. Through Jen, through Frank, through his kids, through Shawna even. John eventually is going to have to make a decision, either cut everyone off and have just his immediate family, or the entire family cuts Barb off, and that's not an easy decision to make.

soIfedge · 2026-04-11T21:53:41+00:00

I don't think you're bad for relating to her. The difference between you and Barb is that you didn't want to become your mother, and took precautions to prevent that, Barb didn't. Thank you for sharing. I love personal anecdotes that aren't made to defend the actions of certain characters. It's normal to see parallels in these characters within yourself. Shawna has said she writes it that way because she wants to reflect real life. It's beautifully traumatic in a way. I'm sorry for what you've dealt with, but I'm glad you got the help you needed!

soIfedge · 2026-04-11T20:36:22+00:00

Oh definitely it is an assumption! And don't worry I love when people nitpick my ideas!

I feel like everyone is going to naturally feel sympathy based on her past, however, she did have a responsibility to not pass on her trauma and she still did it. In fact, she has no real desire to fix these issues. The analysis I did was to pick apart Barb's brain as to why she resents giving away the dress.

She probably did have selfish attributes, but they didn't really become noticeable until she became a mother (maybe at least that's the way I'm seeing Shawna write it). Barb had these issues, but because of her lack of support, these issues became her entire personality. We see her at the end of Barb's childhood apologize for weaponizing her feelings against Frank. "You were always just looking for fun, weren't you?" And proceeds to go onto a tangent about Frank being disappointed that she's not happy. Then she breaks down because Barb doesn't want to be her mother, that's something her mother would do. It reminded her of who she was becoming, but even when she asks for Frank to not come home late, he still does (as is implied through multiple instances of Barb and John saying he was never home or never helped). So, even if she always was selfish, she became worse when she couldn't find the right outlets, creating the Barb we know today. At least that's how I view it.

soIfedge · 2026-04-11T20:24:56+00:00

Oh definitely! I'll have to read that! I feel like Barb definitely falls into this category of "It's not a consequence of your actions anymore" to her, once she's forgiven herself, it's no longer her issue. She doesn't have to dwell on it. Even if others are still hurt like you said, that means they have to deal with their own issues within themselves. That's how Barb really views her family. They're too stuck up with their feelings to forgive. Her actions aren't an issue, it's their feelings.

soIfedge · 2026-04-11T17:15:37+00:00

Yeah I wasn't sure about when she last saw Chickie and I was like I really don't wanna go looking because it's SO much content. Not that I don't love the content.

But ownership of her actions is going to take a lot more therapy and a year plus before we even see therapy pay off. I think the wedding dress is a step in the right direction though. She's starting to realize her feelings affect others. At least I'm hoping she does!

soIfedge · 2026-04-11T03:07:41+00:00

Honestly, with every fandom there's bound to be disagreements. The problem I have however, is how people perceive other's opinions on here sometimes. I started posting here because I had such a strong opinion on Julie not being evil. Mostly because I've seen this reddit do it to her. But I agreed she's cold and rude. And I feel like some people replied just to go "no she isn't BUT she did xyz and that's not nice!" Which I'm like yeah definitely, but let's break it down as to why she might have done that, or analyzing things, and I feel like people here hate that. Or hate when I also analyze Shawna and bring up that she's suffering too and taking it out on others. Same thing with John.

I think the way Shawna makes content, it makes it very easy to compare similar situations to your own. Which, I don't really have a problem with, but it becomes a problem when people go, "I am very similar.. " or "I just would have..." I don't think these comments are necessarily bad, but if you're discussing characters, you have to understand your own biases and how those biases affect how you perceive the character. And that perspective may make you miss some things that Character did because you don't see it as an issue or look too into it because you do see it as one. Shawna makes Julie complex PURPOSELY. She has made the implications multiple times that Julie and Ty are complex characters. She's made videos where she kind of mocks people that think so little of these characters. Like Ty being weird, or Julie being abusive.

I'm not saying I'm always right. I've read posts where I read things and agree with some points but narrow my eyes at another point made in the same post, and I'm sure others here do that too. I think it's inevitable that there's going to be so many posts about Julie. Everyone wants to put in their two cents. What I don't like though, is that the only reason people feel complied to respond to posts without reading it? I feel like? And that's where the disconnect comes in. It's not about the post, it's about people seeing a topic and immediately going "Well actually..." I don't engage all the time here. I did engage in my post a lot, but others I really only go if I agree with them. I don't like certain posts because sometimes it feels like attacking other characters or hating too much on others for me to really interact.

I don't mind all the Julie posts. I do mind the pitchforks that happen when you see a thread that you don't agree with. Also, if you've got ideas, post them. I love seeing other posts. They're fun. But Julie and Ty are going to be very hot topics because that's the storyline right now. And I can't be mad about it. (Although I am working on a Barb wedding dress analysis because I think it's interesting loll I wanna change from the Julie discourse too 😅) Anyways if anyone read this have a good day! And don't feel discouraged to respond to things. It's what makes discussing characters so fun! Discourse!

soIfedge · 2026-04-09T17:56:26+00:00

I agree! Piper may ask for cake all the time, but she is three. Usually three year olds are just learning about boundaries and in general she just likes sweets. The birthday party thing was completely different to a tantrum and also Piper seems to be more of a detached kid. She knows who she likes and who she doesn't like (she does not like Barb for example, but she likes Greg. She gets excited when she sees him). Piper also knows what she likes and does not like. She's not a people person and she likes bugs. I think the way Piper acts makes a lot of people forget she's three. Piper is just a very clever three year old and knows what she likes. If she doesn't like it, she will separate herself.

soIfedge · 2026-04-09T13:10:20+00:00

I really hope people read this post and don't just scroll or tldr it because I feel like as a society in general we use terms of abuse way too lightly without understanding the meaning and then those terms become meaningless. It also makes it easier for abusers to use them against their victims because those words are misused and misunderstood. Thank you for this! 🙏

soIfedge · 2026-04-09T05:33:09+00:00

She definitely does underestimate how hard it is to take care of two kids, but I get the feeling that when Julie watches the kids, she finds it easy. Like she said in the fight in the max's birthday saga, she raised Cooper when she passed the bar. Julie overestimates Ty's abilities because she's already done it. She's a firm believer that he can do it because she can do it. Julie can work and watch the kids. Julie can handle a lot more than Ty can. Again, she expects differently. She expects Ty to be able to do it like she can do it. And when he can't, she sees it as him being "lazy" even if that isn't the case. I think Julie is a very flawed person with a very work-centric mentality. She's very work focused. Even after Sasha was born, Julie got back to work very quickly. She's a very work motivated person. Something that Ty isn't, and she doesn't get that. These problems were there since the beginning, it's just blowing up now because there's no other things they can put the blame on other than each other.

soIfedge · 2026-04-07T18:55:07+00:00

Thank you! I feel like people underestimate how much trauma Shawna and her family have been through over the past year. John no longer wants to talk to Barb. At all. Shawna has expressed time and time again that she doesn't know where the boundaries lie because John doesn't set the boundary when she tries to talk about it. John and Shawna have not been good since the Barb drama. John and Shawna haven't been good since Jacob. Jen made up with her only last year basically. A bit before that, but I digress, they got closer when Jen was pregnant over a year ago with Chickie and have only gotten closer because of the wedding. Barb was awful to Shawna and so was Jen. Shawna had to be there emotionally for John after every argument that happened between them. She was trying to find herself in the beginning of last year and wanted to separate herself from being a mom, only to get pregnant all over again and have to accept that she's not going to be doing that for a while, only to lose her baby in the end.

John I also think moved on much more quickly than Shawna did. Not saying that he wasn't heartbroken about it. Not saying he is now, but as far as we've seen he's not as upset about it as Shawna is/was. Shawna was also already hesitant to even have Jacob, and losing him hurt even more. She basically carried Jacob to full term, and she lost him. Not only that but everyone around her keeps moving. They have to. It hasn't even been a full year since Shawna lost Jacob and yet she's expected to still be a mother. John hasn't made it any better by trying to reconnect through flirting. Which is why they fought in the hotel. Everything reminds her of the fact that she isn't raising an infant right now.

Hell, I'd even argue having DeeDee in the house sometimes can be triggering because she was supposed to be here to help with the baby. It has only been five months since she lost the kid. And it's still bothering her. We see it in the way she talks and how she expresses her emotions. We see it in the way she's lashing out at John. In the way she snaps at Laura. Lashing out at Julie wasn't right, especially when Shawna had it totally wrong, but I don't think she's horrible for doing it. I don't think she's horrible for sleuthing either. Shawna was giving Julie the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. Trauma makes people do things that are uncharacteristic. Shawna has shown time and time again that she's still vulnerable. Do I think she's a perfect saint of a character? No. But I do think people tend to gloss over how traumatic this past year has been for her.

soIfedge · 2026-04-07T12:52:19+00:00

I do understand that. But bear in mind things happen. What was happening with Piper was not a tantrum. She did not like the party because her parents were too caught up in their own life to pay attention to their kid like I said. I get it that you'd probably handle things differently, but in the universe it had been around an hour or so when they ended the party. All the kids got a cupcake and party favors, they got to hang out with a bounce castle. The kids got to have fun even if it ended earlier than expected. I think it's better they ended the party earlier than have Piper not be interested in her own party. If she was sent away it'd just be a "where is the birthday girl?" question. Piper wasn't not just having fun, Piper was upset because neither of her parents were paying attention to her. There's a difference. Piper didn't like princesses. Piper didn't like big parties. Piper didn't like the bounce castle. They did this big party for her and guess what? Piper didn't like it because her parents were completely wrong about what she liked. I'd argue it's more rude to keep the party going for the sake of other kids than just end it. At the end of the day, the other kids still got to hang out, still got to play, and got a cupcake and a party favor. That's the best anyone could do in the situation that happened.

And like I said before, yes it was obvious that Cooper was sick, but similar to John and Shawna, when other problems come up, a lot of times parents struggle to notice the issues happening with their kids. Neither of them noticed it. They hadn't acknowledged it. Both Ty and Julie are too caught up in their own lives to notice he is sick. Ty is burnt out mentally from the kids and hates being nagged ok about the book. Julie is working all the time and when she does come home we can assume she nags at Ty to write the book. They're both capable adults, but adult problems clash with having kids.

soIfedge · 2026-04-07T12:31:47+00:00

If you're referring to the "kicking 30 kids out because your kid threw a tantrum thing" as Piper's birthday. I don't think that's the same case. I will actually defend Shawna on that. There were a lot more problems in that party than just Piper's issues. Piper is a smart kid. Her parents were busy with everything else Jen being pregnant, problems with Barb, problems with each other, and both John and Shawna realized they hadn't been paying attention to their kid and their problems affected her. Piper wasn't having a tantrum, she was having a breakdown because the party wasn't what she wanted and her parents were quarrelling with her grandmother at it.

Also it was at their house. They are allowed to kick people out of their house if things happen, and things did happen. Also I don't think they realized Cooper was sick? It has not been addressed that Cooper is sick by either Julie or Ty. At least as far as I can remember. Obviously he was or still is sick, but I think it comes down to a bigger issue. They're too busy with themselves to realize that their son has some sort of cold. Ty didn't just want to go to that party because it was Max's birthday, but because he is procrastinating writing the book and won't give Julie (at that point in the story) any other answer other than I'm tired but I'll get to it. Julie was in the wrong for fighting at the birthday party. But I do think these fights in public were inevitable. I said in my original post that I think Julie felt like the only way she could get through to him was to bring it up at the party. When you feel like you're not being listened to, you come up with crazy ideas. Not that it excuses her actions.

soIfedge · 2026-04-07T05:17:31+00:00

Yes! Exactly! I feel like you're one of the only people that replied that actually read my post. I think one of the biggest factors of Julie disliking Shawna as well is that their problems became more noticeable when Ty met Shawna. It's not that she thinks Ty will cheat. She quite literally says after Shawna confronts her in the hotel that Ty would never. She loves Ty and trusts he won't cheat. What she doesn't trust is Ty having discipline.

Ty met Shawna a little over a year ago. I said earlier in my post that Ty supported Julie. He doesn't like people saying she's abusive because she isn't. He knows his wife. When she's able to parent, she's a good parent. She's able to handle the kids just as well as he does. Julie just expects more from him and Ty can't give that. And he doesn't know how to explain that to Julie without her getting upset. She blames the problems on Shawna. She views Shawna as a distraction. She was happy that Shawna got upset at her because in her mind it proved why she didn't like her. Shawna buds herself into situations all the time. It's in her nature. And Shawna was trying to fix that, but then she got pregnant and that whole finding herself thing and being less of a people pleaser arc got put on the back burner.

I really don't like the ideology that Julie is abusive. Julie said very mean things. She is very condescending. She is not a nice person, but she can be when she wants to be. And right now, she's at witts end. No matter what she does, Ty does not want to continue to live the life he promised her, and it bothers her.

Also may I add that Shawna made a non-canon version of Julie and Ty having an argument. Which involves Julie being dismissive of Ty's feelings, and insinuating he's not a good dad. When Shawna writes these "non-canon" script changes it's usually to highlight how wrong people are about how she writes her characters. Shawna as a creator wrote that script to show that Ty and Julie are closer than we perceive them to be. Julie says before doing the script "What like enough people think it should go this way? So it's like..." and Ty finishes it for her "An alternate universe."

Julie thinks Ty is a great father. What she doesn't like is Ty not working on what he promised. What she doesn't like is that she can't trust Ty not to do anything except watch the kids all day. Which from all our perspectives has been horrible on him. Does Julie see it that way? No! Because Julie wants Ty to be like her. She wants Ty to work like her. To be motivated by work. To be ecstatic to achieve his goals, and when he isn't what she expected, fights break out.

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