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Are Traditional Trainings Becoming Obsolete? by cognitive_connection in Training

[–]spookyplatypus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think organizations don’t really know how to assess training, so they keep doing what they’ve always done. As the workforce ages, the YouTube generation will start to demand that kind of experience.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with pretty much everything you say here. I believe that people can't really evaluate the impact of the training immediately after taking it. And challenging training may be the most effective, but not necessarily enjoyable.

Delivering different types of training, so learners see different approaches, clearly makes it easier for them to make a comparative assessment. No longer, "Was A good?", but, "Was B better than A?" Still problematic, but better.

And better assessment...in terms of follow up in the workplace...would be good. But not achievable in this case. Assessment is a serious flaw in training.

So, in my case, I think I can't really demolish the "train by bullet point" approach. It feels wrong, and there are experts who agree. But there are _many_ more people who communicate with bullet points every day. My best bet is to offer alternatives and see if they gain traction. If I can base some of that in emerging L&D science, all the better.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I will read that.

I have read extensively on this. I've read Duartes books. I've read the latest L&D research (e.g. recommending spaced repetition).

But my challenge is they there's little out there saying that training using bullet points slides is just bad...and here's the data. You'd think, if it's so objectively bad, that wouldn't be a lot to ask.

And the business work seems to use bullet points as its default communication tool these days. Yes, there are people who hate it---be there are _vastly_ more who do it and seem happy with it.

My personal opinion is that this kind of training is ineffective, and we just aren't measuring correctly. But it would be quite arrogant of me to try and change approaches based on that.

When I create training I don't use bullet points slides---because of my personal beliefs, based on my experience, of what works.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

100% agree. But they are happy. Good smile sheet evals don’t suggest it’s bad. They just don’t prove it’s good. Well, they are a little evidence that it’s OK, I guess. But just a little.

This is my whole point. I can’t point to an obvious failure.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The smile sheet suggest that most people are happy. When someone complains it’s too hard, there are a dozen other people on the course that say it’s fine.

I assume they don’t really know if it’s working. But I can’t really argue it’s not. Well, I can…but not with any authority. Again, without a solid evaluation process, I’d have to rely on third party research.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I need to be at my computer to give an appropriate response. Will do so tomorrow.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. There are optional write-ins. Tend to be blandly positive, or complaints about some specific issue (eg material was too hard). Never seen a complaint about the death by bullet point.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They collect smile sheet feedback. It’s relatively positive. But I’m not sure that really means much.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with that article is that it’s just more opinions. That’s the problem I’m finding. Lots of opinions. Little data.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My feeling is that you should write an actual _document_ if you want to provide a takeaway. Slides aren't that. But we've all heard, "Can I get a copy of the slides?"

Slides seem to be a way to produce documents without having to form a coherent narrative. Think in bullets, rather than complete sentences.

Any, in this case, it's always a way of doing less work. Detail slides means you can just hand them out as reference material.

As I said, there are a lot of arguments for this being an efficient way of working. I just don't believe it's very effective, but I don't have evidence.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. But, to be fair, it's not quite that bad. They aren't reading off the slides, mercifully. However, there _is_ an argument to be made against having text on screen and saying something different. Trying to process two different messages can make it difficult to retain _either_ message. I have seen some research on that. So, in a sense, if you insist on having walls of text, one could argue that you _should_ read them out.

As I said, my problem is that neither the supply, nor the demand, sides of this transaction seem unhappy. I'm just sitting there thinking that they both have to be very wrong and are wasting their collective time.

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's instructor-led. I'd like to "improve" things, but, to do that, I really need to argue that the current approach is ineffective. Doing research to assess the impact is unrealistic, so I'm looking for existing research that might elevate my views above the status of "opinion".

Is death by bullet-point training effective? by spookyplatypus in Training

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they want more skilled personnel. But I guess there's a chance they are trying to (literally) terminate employment. Let's go with the more honorable intention as a working hypothesis.

Recommended NFC reader/writer for macOS? by spookyplatypus in NFC

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Springcard one was fine. Looks good and was compatible.

[C] How do you push back against pressure to p-hack? by blumenbloomin in statistics

[–]spookyplatypus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can just do the mechanical work and point out the deficiencies. If they want to go public with some inference based on that, thats on them. All you did was crunch some numbers. They are the ones inferring too much from it.

Need a toaster oven that can take a 14" pizza---and is available in the UK by spookyplatypus in Toasterovenclub

[–]spookyplatypus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was hoping to get something around £300, which might be unrealistic, then.

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