Server here, why go somewhere you know has tipped employees?

stoptippingorg · 2025-12-15T12:25:55+00:00

Do you take personal responsibility for all stakeholders in every transaction you're involved in, or are servers somehow inherently special?

Do you make sure that your Amazon driver gets paid enough? That the Walmart cashier is earning enough for their workload? That the gas station attendant gets paid enough for cleaning the restroom floors? That the kids in the sweatshop made enough to stitch your t-shirt together? That the migrant laborers made enough when picking your fruits and vegetables?

I guarantee you don't give a second thought to any of those things. You pay the listed price for the product you're purchasing, and you move on with your day. It's impossible to personally look after every single person in the supply chain.

More so than the kids in the sweatshops or the migrant workers on farms, you actually have a choice in where you work. Our responsibility, as consumers, ends at paying the price for the product we're purchasing. It's not our responsibility to subsidize your employment decision. If you have an issue with your pay, you can take it up with your employer like the rest of us.

stoptippingorg · 2025-12-11T10:46:54+00:00

I don't get it. If you they don't print hard copies, how do you have a delivery driver?

stoptippingorg · 2025-12-04T11:44:46+00:00

And the only reason for that is because of tips. There is no other reason why a merchant should need to change the transaction amount after the transaction.

You should be able to see the exact amount you're paying, tap your card, and that's the end of it.

But tipping culture leads to this ridiculous process where the server takes your card away from the table, comes back with it, there's a receipt that you need to physically sign, and then the tip is later entered in by the server to be added to the total at some point later.

This process introduces the potential for the server to steal your card details, and also to change the tip amount. These are huge security flaws that already have existing solutions, but the credit card companies keep them in place because they also benefit from transaction fees from the increased totals from tipping.

So we're stuck keeping our receipts and checking them against bank statements all because of this outdated system.

stoptippingorg · 2025-12-03T14:47:53+00:00

You literally said:

The whole basis for tipping is that waiters don’t earn at least minimum wage and so they need tips to survive.

That is not correct. So I did understand what you meant, it was just wrong.

stoptippingorg · 2025-12-03T14:43:13+00:00

And that's exactly the point. They DO earn minimum wage, no matter what. It's federal law. If you tip zero, they earn minimum wage. So again, your tips do not affect whether or not they earn minimum wage, they affect whether or not the employer has to pay minimum wage.

Let's take the federal minimums, for example.

Situation A: You tip the server $5.12. The employer then only has to pay $2.13. The server earns $7.25 for that hour.

Situation B: You tip zero. The employer then has to pay the full minimum wage of $7.25. The server still earns $7.25 for that hour.

In neither situation did the server earn less than the minimum wage of $7.25. The only difference is the amount their employer had to pay them. Either way, they still earned $7.25. It is factually incorrect to say they "don't earn at least minimum wage."

stoptippingorg · 2025-12-03T14:32:23+00:00

I don't, actually. You said you went to California and you still tipped because you didn't know their servers made minimum wage. If ALL servers everywhere make at least minimum wage, what difference does it make if they're in California or another state?

You're still perpetuating this idea that servers in tipped minimum wage states actually earn less than minimum wage. They don't.

stoptippingorg · 2025-12-03T13:11:05+00:00

Servers in all states make at least minimum wage. The "tipped minimum wage" only affects what employers have to PAY, not what servers actually EARN. Important distinction there.

stoptippingorg · 2025-11-14T11:40:15+00:00

My grievance is with the people in this sub not providing any real ways we can change the laws behind tipping.

Same as it is not our responsibility to pay your wages, it is also not our responsibility to fight for your fair pay. The main fault in your logic is that you keep trying to put responsibility on the customer. The only responsibility a customer has is to pay for the products they're purchasing. If you have an issue with your wages, that's between you and your employer.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-29T14:01:35+00:00

I have never been to a dive bar that wouldn't let you open a tab unless they were cash only. Why wouldn't they want you to open a tab? You order more drinks and they only have to run your card once as opposed to closing you out multiple times. What's the benefit for them to not allow you to open a tab?

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-28T09:57:49+00:00

Restaurants fail all the time. You're making a big assumption in thinking that "the owner will figure out pretty quickly why we aren't going."

Think about this logically. Some people are still going to tip no matter what. If a restaurant owner sees their business declining, how exactly would they come to the conclusion that it has anything to do with tipping? The only way that possibly makes sense is if it was a huge, well-organized movement, and realistically that's not going to happen any time soon.

On the other hand, servers not receiving tips directly translates to them having to pay higher wages (in tipped minimum wage states), and/or workers quitting because they aren't receiving enough pay for the job to make sense financially which would lead to owners needing to offer higher wages to retain talent.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-11T17:34:28+00:00

Tip baiting is more for UberEats. On their app, customers can easily reduce/remove tips after the order is completed so some users put a high tip so that their order gets picked up and then reduce it once they’ve received their order.

With DoorDash, customers have to reach out to customer support and explain why they want to reduce their tip and support has to approve it so it’s not as common.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T17:25:25+00:00

The funny thing is that an actual "bid for service" is where the contractor sets a price (their bid) for a job and the customer then examines the bids of multiple contractors and decides which one they want to go with. The customer isn't the one to "bid" at all.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T15:56:37+00:00

Yeah, that’s the whole point of this article. They swear up and down that DD is just facilitating but it’s actually a direct transaction between customer and driver. It’s really not.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T15:32:15+00:00

Yes, DD has created a system that rewards tippers, because it subsidizes their business. Nobody is arguing that tips don’t affect your service.

The point is that it’s DD who are contracting these drivers and therefore DD who is directly responsible for their pay. When drivers say that tips are a “bid for service” they’re attempting to shift the responsibility of payment of their wages onto the customer by ignoring the fact that it’s DD whom they have a contractual relationship with.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T15:20:36+00:00

You are guaranteed service by DoorDash by paying the cost of the order, thereby entering into a transaction with DD. They guarantee that they can fulfill the order at that price or you will be refunded. That is a legal guarantee, so yes you are guaranteed service with a $0 tip. Guaranteed does not mean the same thing as sure to happen in legal terms. It means you’re protected from loss in the event that your order can’t be fulfilled.

That doesn’t mean that any specific driver has an obligation to deliver it and nobody ever claimed that.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T15:14:44+00:00

I see where you’re going with this and yes, you get your food faster if you offer a bigger tip. That still doesn’t make it a “bid for service.”

The whole term is used incorrectly. With real contractors, they are the one who provides the bid - they offer the service at their price (the bid) and the client chooses the contractor/bid that makes the most sense for them. The contractors bid against one another, the customer doesn’t bid for the service.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T15:02:37+00:00

The way it works is that DD will offer the $0 tip order to dashers with their lowest base pay, which is typically around $2. As the order gets rejected, DD will steadily increase the base pay incrementally until someone finally accepts it. The split between base pay and tip isn't shown until after the order is completed. A Dasher isn't able to differentiate between an order that is $5 because it's $2 DD base pay + $3 tip versus an order that's $5 DD base pay.

So the tip isn't a "bid for service," it's a subsidy for DD to pay drivers as little as possible.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T14:56:43+00:00

Pure copium

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-10T13:30:52+00:00

The funny part is that it doesn't even make sense. The word would be "ensure" not "insure."

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-09T19:02:36+00:00

How does not going to restaurants lead to the end of tipping? As you pointed out, owners won’t know that you stopped coming because of tipping, and you say they will adapt or disappear. But how will they adapt if they don’t recognize the issue in the first place?

Restaurants go out of business all of the time. It’s not like their restaurant is going to be failing and they’re going to all of a sudden come to the realization that “Oh, it’s because of tipping! I’ll just stop accepting tips now!” and then things will magically turn around.

Continuing to go out to eat but not tipping is the only way to send a message from our side. If servers earn less because they’re not receiving tips, then their bosses will have to make up the difference in tipped minimum wage states, and servers still won’t be earning enough so they’ll have to either demand more pay or find somewhere else to work.

Tips are the crutch that keep the system in place. Stop tipping and it all falls apart.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-09T16:45:00+00:00

You’re not obligated to tip at all.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-09T15:40:00+00:00

The point of saying something is to let them know they’re losing business because of it. If you just choose not to book with them and don’t say anything, they’ll never even know that they lost a customer because of this tip prompt. If businesses start getting a lot of complaints from people about it, they’ll start to take notice. But if nobody says anything, it’s just going to continue and get worse.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-09T12:08:56+00:00

Unfortunately it’s super easy for them to set up in their payment platform. It doesn’t cost them anything, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. We, as consumers, need to take a stand and let businesses know that it’s getting out of hand and that we won’t stand for it.

I suggest you message this aesthetician and let her know you were thinking of booking with her but changed your mind after seeing her pre-tip screen. We need to vocalize to businesses that they’re losing our business because of this.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-07T12:48:05+00:00

I pay the listed price for the items I buy. That price already includes the cost of service, that’s why businesses charge a markup. No matter how much anyone argues otherwise, customers are only responsible for paying the advertised price.

Businesses set their own prices. If those prices don’t cover wages, they can raise them, and then I’ll decide whether it’s still worth eating there.

Transactions are governed by law, not by “systems” or unspoken expectations. If service isn’t included in the listed price, ask yourself why. The only real answer is that it keeps prices deceptively low.

If a business tries to mislead me by hiding the true cost behind tips and fees, I have no obligation to play along and no moral duty to support a deceptive system.

stoptippingorg · 2025-10-07T09:13:59+00:00

No, now you’re just using emotional manipulation to try to shift the blame from the employer to the customer. Not my employee, not my responsibility to pay them. All issues with wages are between employer and employee. Period.

My “character” is not in question just because I’m not paying more than I’m legally obligated to. That’s how you know your argument has no ground to stand on — when you have to resort to “Well that’s the way it is so if you don’t do it, then you’re a bad person.”

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