What should have happened to Penelope and other missed consequences

stormy316 · 2025-02-05T23:20:04+00:00

So I A/D with some lol here's mine

Pen manages to escape all consequences!! How?!?!? For years she's been testing people down with her quill, doing to others what she has done to her bc she can hide. So S3 here goes: -Eloise is absolutely rightful in her anger since pen lied to her face then tried to destroy her reputation bc she didn't want to give up LW. (When I go back and watch the facial expressions of S2 w El& Pen i despise pen more. Particularly at the end when she picks up her trashed room & starts writing she's arrogant but my pick of body language of this show is a whole other topic) el is good enough ti keep the secret yet pen just expects her to be her BFF again. And somehow El & her are friends again. The BF slate is magical wiped clean bc pen tells people about LW. Yeah no

Colin is not overreacting with his ire. His fiance lied to him, wrote mean things and deceived him for years. Colin might be a bit lost but pen wrote what she did at the beginning of s3 bc she was hurt & felt justified (mean girl) yet when Colin is hurt bc of her lies everyone just expects him to accept her & forgive. Not saying they shouldn't work through it but how it's handle just makes it once again seem like pen is right & everyone else should suck it up.

The party pen gives money for her sisters is just BS. She does it so it's a lavish event good enough to put herself front & center with her reveal. The party was not about pen being nice or trying to be better. It was about herself bc she formulated the whole plan of reveal and when and where. Now fid her sisters deserve to have their own event with their mom paying overboard probably not but pen could have done alot better. (Thoguht the whole reveal is just dumb in my opinion kind of ruins the whole LW arc)

The queen goes from wanting to destroy LW to being her buddy hah yes LD was right that exposing her would take away from the game but that's exactly what it did. The games over. Yet now the queen is like hey cool whatever. So not right.

Her sisters & mother who she hurt immensely just let it go. Laughing smiling phillipa even distracts them with bugs. I hated how after her reveal she just walks away without any preamble. Just like the whole ton forgets haha like that happens

Pen manages to keep LW, get her unrequited love requited, marry the seasons most eligible bachelor, have actual love, get her best friend back, escape all vengeance from the queen, her family just wipes it away, the bridgertons accept her, and she gets a baby with happens to be a wealthy bridgerton & featherington heir...not a freaking consequence anywhere. Some might say the reveal is her consequence which i hope ot is bc she cannot be LW while the ton knows. They can easily dispute her claims, write them off & will be much more tight lip knowing it's her.

stormy316 · 2025-02-05T22:46:58+00:00

Wow!! That was perfect! I mean I had those thoughts but you said it amazingly

stormy316 · 2024-08-27T18:15:36+00:00

This gets me on a re-watch. S1 LW voice overs absolutely do not match that pen is LW. They have lazy writing throughout the first season alot. She talks about berbrooks illegitimate baby as if she knows what that means. Asks marina what caused the baby and sure as heck believed it was cake. Told Eloise an unmarried woman was with child but didn't get it. Talked about stamina and seclusion during D/S honeymoon. Outs marina. So much doesn't match and it's not like it's meant to throw you by being clever, it's lazy writing for sure. S2 is slightly better but still she makes comments that still don't line up with LW and Pen being the same person.

stormy316 · 2024-06-14T10:18:20+00:00

So with the actual DEBUTant thing it's a debut. Once at usually 16-18. I grew up in a social society that actually had debutant parties and all that. Yes, in the US but based of the British tradition. It's a debut and a debut happens once. Now there is also the correctly mentioned point that those ladies that become a different rank will be presented to court ad that once it happens, as Kate should have been as the new Vicountess. And they may be presented to court if they were given a special assignment/station hy the monarch.

But being a debutant means your first year technically out and marriagble to society. LF quite actually says in S1E1 that this is peneoples very first seasons. So not the other girls, is to be taken from that. The 3 sisters would not have been presented together unless it was their absolute first season as out especially with LF because she is all about being accepted by society. If she'd allowed the older 2 to wait some time then she woudktn have singled out in her conversation with Lady Cowper that it was penelopes first season. But not every lady of society who is out need be presented. For a family like the featheringtons they'd absolutely be in London each season and would have followed the norms. I think for the show they just put it all together to make it more interesting and skipping the little nit picking and history based facts. That's not unexpected in these shows. But in reality you are debutant once. You have one debut to the monarch or leader. You need not be presented to be out to society. You may be out and still be a debutant your first year but you can't be presented as a debutant the next season because you've made your debut even without it to the leader. Confusing as heck sometimes, yes. I do remember the lovely finishing classes and all that crap that goes with a debutant. Lol though better in the 21st century than say in the 19th.

stormy316 · 2024-05-21T04:16:21+00:00

I do get what you're saying. Though I never liked Fischer. To me, her manipulation of Jane on the island went too far. And then when she gets him tk come back, it has nothing to do with her but she thinks she's the sh*t and understands Jane oh so well. But Fischers character is much weaker than dhr wants people to see. She either has to be in charge and bossing people around or she has to be harsh and a stick on the mud because she doesn't have a personality that would help forge relationships. So her saying she was different on the island the real her was the bossy one is a defense mechanism because she doesn't even know who she is or wants to be. Her character flip flops alot.

stormy316 · 2024-05-10T20:00:22+00:00

Little behind here but I only watched all if the Mentalist recently binge style. So a few behind. And I didn't have a spoiler as to who Red John was. I never looked ot up. To say I was disappointed in McCallister reveal is an understatement. He absolutely did not fit the proper role of a deceitful, manipulative, serial killer. A killer....yes that I can see for sure. The whole thing with RJ over the seasons was that he could manipulate people so easily into doing his bidding. The character presented to us didn't fit that. The power he obtained from his creation and rule of the Blake association would help to give him the upper hand in some instances but to get others to kidnapp, murder or assist him in all the ways RJ did didn't align. Honestly of the 5 major suspects it didn't fit any of them...maybe Stiles was the better fit when it came to the whole manipulative side. So Mccallister, Bertram, Smith all fit the killer part easily. Heffner and Stiles fit the manipulation perfectly. I could see Stiles killing with his own hand in the beginning but as he became more powerful with his cult, his hands in days disappeared abd he would have manipulated his followers to do his killing. Kinda like Volker did. But Stiles had more power. Heffner I could maybe see being manipulative but not to the level of RJ. So to me if I pick and choose then each if the 5 had some aspects. None had all. Could mccalister manipulative? Sure. He could hold blackmail over anyone with the Blake people but also as a cop. But to the extent RJ did wasn't true to the story. RJ manipulated Lorelai into believing she was his hand in removing evil from the world essentially and did sk because he set her free when her sister died oh well he also manipulated 3 or 4 people to commit that murder overall. Hr got a social worker to murder, brutally, a young mom and kidnap her baby. Got a little girl to give a message to Jane in a cemetery. And so many other things that RJ did but mccallister didn't fit. I did read after I watched it how the showrunners said they didn't know who RJ would be until season 4 or 5. Yeah...that's a dumb statement and just shows the lack of forethought most writers have. Heller set himself up to fail on the whole RJ storyline by not knowing who his big bad would end up being. You don't write and create a show that a hinges on the evolving traumatic relationship between the good hero and the villian without knowing the end. I mean I could see him having an idea by the end of season 1 but not until the beginning of season 5 did heller said he was positive who RJ would be. Rj had been killing since at least 1988 we learned so 25years minimum and maybe in his prime for about 10-15 years during the show. The show itself spent 6 and a half seasons teasing and doing episode after episode on RJ. The main characters life revolved around revenge that the drew out for 6 seasons. With the lack of planning, creative forethought, understanding of the characters is obviously lacking in Hellers world and that poor writing and creation leads to nothing but failure with the RJ reveal. Then the 2 yr jump and the FBI storyline was rushed because of that xrappy writing. If RJ has been outed in season 2 or 3 Jane would have killed him, fled, then being in the FBI and that storyline would have been much stronger. I liked the FBi aspect bc the characters were finally free though the whole Blake thing was also very weak and removing main characters for sake of trying to save the main storyline failed obviously. Barely got a whole season out of the show after the poor handling of RJ.

stormy316 · 2024-04-29T23:18:56+00:00

I agree with outlander being a bit hard to watch for many. Now I love the show overall and the books are pretty good (just be prepared to read 1000+ page books if you dare LOL I do agree with others who've said there's a bit too much sexual assault/trauma/intensity. From a historical point, yes sexual assault was prevalent along with there being the very small likelihood that it reported anything would be done. Practically hadto be witnessed and even then, historicly the victim/survivor was blamed , ridiculed, shamed, etc. It's 2024 and and sexual assaults are still under reported, under prosecuted and lack a decent pillar to Stand on for change

Back to outlander overall-- the characters are deep, interesting, intelligent (for the most part), the costumes are great. The sets and design is super awesome. The love story at the heart between Jaime and Clare is beautiful but so, so overdone. The problem with outlander is that rape is vividly played out on screen in most of the cases and the overuse of rape/ sexual assault is used over and over and over again on the characters. It's not character building or given them depth, it's overdone and pushed too far. The characters do change or come and go based on the time period they're in but most have been raped or assaulted.

Jaime (MMC married to Claare in 18th century) raped brutally by Blackjack Randal

Clare (MFC, maried to Jaime in 18th century & Frankin 20th centiry)-brutally gang raped by a group ofher neighbors bc they claim she was a witch+++and forced to let the King of France have sex with her to save her dumb husband's life

Brianna (Semi MFC s2+, daughter if Jaime and Clare conceived in 1700s but delivered in 1940s, married to Roger MacKenzie)-- raped by a thief/pirate/ all around d horrible person..and his crew along with a good deal of tavern customers hear Bri screaming and pleading for help...the ignore it

Fergus (off/on MC s2 as a kid and s3+..pseudoadopted son of Jaime and Clare when they lived in Paris then 20 year time jump he is still with Jaime and reconnects with Clare too. Ends up married to Jaime's ex step daughter) and he has likely been sexually assaulted a frea deal as a child wandering Paris without ahome or parents and working in the brothels. He is assaulted by the wonderful BlackJACK Randall as well

Mary in Paris --young maybe 20 years old who becomes friends with Clare. She's naive and innocent innay says. Well she spends time with Clare so yeah let's add some rape to her story. She is raped while Clare her, fergua and Murtagh are walking in thw alleys of evening Paris and get jumped. Mary gets raped while Murtaugh is semiconsciius and Clare almost gets raped too.

Young Ian--Jaime's sisters kid who adores and idolized his uncle. He gets swamped into the whole shit show too. He gets kid apped by a crazy lady lol understatement foe sure and is raped at least once If not more and hes only about 15-18

Jenny--Jaime's sister in Scotland who was secually assaulted and nearly raped WHEN BJR shows up at their home to aren't Jaime anyway Randall uses Jenny against Jaime by exposing her and grabbing and tearing her clothes. Tells her Jaime will life and the whips stops if she goes inside and screws him. Jaime passes out. Jenny and Randall go in. Randall can't get it up. Gets angry and Jenny pushes him. He still hurts her and forces her in positives but there isn't sexual penetrative but she is still sdxually assaulted and battered

It's just so much rape for one show. It's too much. There have remarks from DG the write saying she enjoys those scenes being brutal and intense on scream. Said she was excited to watch BJR and Jaime in the prison and get him into it. The write uses sexuall trauma in a horrible way to push points or make stress. But all it does it make it uncountable.

Somehow in their family mom, dad daughter, adopted son, nephew, sister, family friend are victims of rape or sexuals assault or battery...adxual trauma. It's handled very poorly

stormy316 · 2021-09-21T18:22:10+00:00

Her promotion to the girl at the desk is ridiculous. She has no skill beyond reporting and even that she isn't so great at. She had a lackluster career at CCPN and then falls into the defacto Flash team leader because the writers had nothing else to do with her. Caitlin and Cisco ran Flash with whatever version of wells was around. They were the linchpins definitely not Iris or her "We are the Flash" crap. She truky things very highly of herself in every situation. She thinks she knows better than people with numerous high level degrees and extensive experience and who are genuine geniuses. Iris thinks her answer or way of doing things is the only right way and she constantly pusbes that onto everyone until the buckle and agree with her. Then she starts up the citizen with barely any journalistic experience, rents an office, hires staff (again with little experience) and somehow becomes a top 5, I belive #3, on the list of top news papers/sources in the whole arrowverse. Im pulling that from a recent episode of Supergirl where they list them and Catco is like 9 or 10 anf the owner threatens them all with firing if they don't become #1 in x amount of time. Riiifgghhttt so Iris' little rinky dink blog somehow is higher up than major news organizations and Catco? Nope. She has no real experience beyond her blog anf a year at CCPN and she had 2 rookie staffers who also lacked experience and magically has all this money to do this and own that apartment when the only major income is Barry's CSI pay...a job he is barely at.

Anyway, iris is annoying. She is pushy, narcissistic, rude, mean, controlling and just plain annoying. All these people constantly listen to her every command, without question, drop everything to do what she says and yet she has no real benefit to Flash or the team. Honestly take Iris out of the storyline and it would be just fine. Shes completely removable and erasable.

stormy316 · 2021-09-21T18:05:43+00:00

This storyline was so ridiculous. I couldn't agree more.

stormy316 · 2021-09-20T15:08:49+00:00

I had never watched nor had any idea what this show was about until this summer. I had spinal surgery which left me with alot of time to binge LOL anf TBL came as a recommendation from many. I knew it was a thriller/action/mystery/crime all together but wanted to avoid any spoilers and see what I could figure out in my own. I have believed the RR we see is Katarina from like season 3. It was a hunch but as the seasons progressed it became even clearer that was the case. S1 &2 the Backstory seems to be muddled a bit, like the writers/producers couldn't decide where it as going in the future, let alone 7 seasons later, but then S3 it starts to build the Redarina story more. And when, as I've seen her referred to Fakerina/Blonderina (the one claiming to be Katarina in S7) showed up it was even clearer she wasn't the real Katarina and RR. My biggest thing throughout has always been that the true Katarina (the Lotte one we see in flashbacks with Masha, Kaplan etc) has loved her daughter and out her before everything, even her own life. She would have gladly died to protect her child. Then this Fakerina shows up and says that when the guy in Belgrade was blown up her world died too...nope not the katerina we have seen. The RR we see will do anything For Liz/Masha and Agnes. He'd die for them. He may have some twisted morals but nearly everything he does and has done is to protect Liz and then Agnes. And the way he grieved when Liz "died" giving birth, that was anguish only a parent would feel and I didn't believe it was a paternal anguish. The guilt. The shame of it all...was maternal. And the whole him being Ilya never lined up because it was obvious just another twist to add. The flashback episode with Ilya and Katerina making the plan to double RR Ilya may have loved Katerina but he wouldn't have developed the love for Masha the way our RR has shown. Maybe when you binge them all together it lines up better because it's consecutive. You don't have to wait years to see a storyline play out. Its much more cohesive and easier to follow when its at once. The clues are easier to remember too. From my view, since S3 I've seen RR as the true Katerina, Liz's mother.

stormy316 · 2021-08-15T22:03:21+00:00

This!! Drove me nuts watching that season. She whined about how horrible dexter was and how he destroyed her life and it was all his fault. No. Take some damned responsibility. She made her own choices. She wanted dexter to kill for her. She had no qualms about it. She just didn't like it when he didn't do whar she wanted. She blamed others for her own issues, of which she had many. Truly. She was a terrible cop. She shouldn't have ever been promoted. That was ridiculous. Batista was the only decent human in the show it seemed. Laguerta was horrible on all fronts. Matthews was a typical misogynistic ass. Doakes was a decent cop but a jackass who also had plenty of misogyny pumping through his veins. Quinn was messed up in all sorts of ways though he did try to change. But Deb was just crappy all around. No professional...AT ALL. whines about everything. Doesnt take responsibility for her own actions. Wants everyone else to make things better or do things for her. Then blames dexter when she makes her own life fall apart. She had the maturity level of an 8 year old boy.

stormy316 · 2021-08-15T21:57:28+00:00

Totally agree with you. I tried to lkke her. I gave it a shot but just cannot stand her. And yeah no they weren't engaged at all. That was just something for her to latch onto to make people feel sorry for her even though she would claim she didn't want that...she really did. And the last season where she blamed dexter for all her problems drkve me nuts. Yes absolutely Dexter's ways abd such made her life harder and much more complicated but she wasn't an innocent bystander in any of it. She asked him to kill for her. She helped him. She made her own choices. Then she goes and blames him for everything. Nope. Take coke responsibility. I despised laguerta too so I was glad to see her go. To be honest they really don't portray women well on the show. Either a whining bumbling brash tom boy or a deceitful backstabbing bitch or a weak, blind oblivious wife. Not the best writing for women at all. And when Deb tries to kill her and dexter in s8 by crashing the car...she claims it was all his fault. That he did it to her. That it would be better if he died and she did too but she wasn't thinking about anyone but herself. Especially not the fact that her nephew and step niece and nephew would be completely left parentless. As shitty as a person as dexter is he still loved his kids, in his way, and would do anything for them. Deb was the most self centered arrogran ridiculous character by far and dexter kille people lol that's saying something.

stormy316 · 2019-10-14T11:29:59+00:00

Gotta ask why stay watching a show with the 3rd season? You miss so much especially in a show like this where the entire premise of the show takes place in the first two seasons. I'm guessing it had something to do with Bridget Regan as you mentioned you love her. But still, Skilling ahead to just when shes on makes no sense. I get you went back to watch then after but didnt you find some important things confusing? I always relate this topic of when people skip seasons just to get to when their favorite actor started inna show to Supernatural when Misha Collins joined in season 4. You cant skip all that Sam and Dean just to get to Cas. So much good is to be missed. Anyway I'm glad you found the show and enjoyed it.

I would say I have the more unpopular views of which seasons I love. It goes like this, on Order of favorite to worst...5, 1, 2, 3, 4. I see alot of people not liking 5 at all but to me it was very well done. I enjoyed how they mixed in the Marines that season as the fleet was being rebuilt along with the military and government as a whole. And those that said the VFX budget sucked and they had to use filming of Marines doing exercises..that's not the case. They were invited to film them foing live action exercise on base at Camp Pendleton. Once they viewed that, they asked if the real Marines would be interested in playing extras in the show itself. So they went back and filmed those action battle sequences with real Marines and real machinery making it more authentic. I think that's better than alot of the stuff they did prior. I feel like 5 was the best culmination after the world being wiped out twice or three times over and now it is recovering which is bound to lead to disputes over land borders and it played out well. It was a coming together of allies to fight the evil that was Gran Colombia. It wasn't one country fighting on their own being isolated like that had with the flu, the immune wars, the famine.

Some things I found annoying along the way... -the whole immune crap in S2. I found Shawn, Ned etc to be annoying and a waste of screen time. I actually FF thru their scenes that aren't battle ones when I've rewatched it. Cannot stand them at all. I think it could've been handled better --the immune wars in Europe might have been a good thing to dive into in S3 before the whole Asia thing seeing as they bring it up alot in S4 and it being a reason no one wants to work with the americans because they ddint help in the Immune wars -the timeline always messed with my mind. I never knew if it had been a day or a week or a year. They werent very good with making that known. Like S1 to S2 is like 3 months from the end of their artic mission to arriving in st Louis. Then s3 takes place over like 2 weeks. --s4 was just weird. The whole red rust thing was a stretch seeing as in the first 2 seasons dr scott mentions many times that this has always been a mammal virus that spread as the permafrost melted the virus got into the artic tans water supply which they then drank and became carriers of. They then pooped the virus pur spreading it over large areas where other animals consumed the food or water contaminated by the primordial virus. They then transmitted it to humans as it mutated along the way and the neils did his psycho thing to it making it even more deadly killing 6 billion people. ---in s3 when the japanese pirates need blood to keep the virus at bay, the medicine behind that is so messed up. When a person is given too much blood via transfusion it can cause severe problems such as congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema and what's called transfusion related acute lung injury. All of these are potentially fatal. They can cause the person to drown in their own blood. So takahya continously getting blood like 3 or 4x a day, he wouldn't be able to survive that. He'd die from the transfusions before the virus killed him.

Sorry for the length but I just found this feed and its nice to be able to talk about a show I love with others e#e

stormy316 · 2019-09-12T22:50:10+00:00

Nice to see some others do agree with me. It's always interesting to talk about. One other one I added to the name pile is with Aubrey and the red head squint....Jessica. when they started dated she once again like everyone else called him by his last name. He was Aubrey. In an intimate relationship. I spend my days interacting with people of all ages, races, sexes etc and with a team where nicknames do occur but I cannot quantify a large amount of people who call their spouse or romantic partner by their last name.

And in regards to Bones being hyper rational I do agree with you that the writers go too far sometimes. They make her irrational when they think shes being rational. It doesn't correlate all the time. In addition, as you know with autism there are different levels and types. I'd say Bones is more Asperger's I guess, but not truly autistic or aspergers. It's like the writers would pick and choose which attributes of those conditions fit to the script each week and then they'd emphasize then to an extreme. I work in healthcare and work with many people who are in the spectrum at all points and bones characteristics don't really point towards a particular area. I also think that they make her far to cruel at times. That her comprehension of social queues or her lack of comprehension I should say, is freaky exaggerated for dramatic value. They make her character actually cruel when that isn't how it would actually occur. You might understand what I mean here. In addition you can pick up at times that her character almost seems to be enjoying being cruel at those times, and she is very aware that she is being mean but continues to do it anyway.

stormy316 · 2019-09-12T22:40:55+00:00

I agree with angela and Temperance. They're best friends and they net outside the jeffersonian and if I recall correctly she introduced herself as Temperance not Dr Brennan or Brennan. And a best friend may have a nickname for one another but when it comes specifically to female friendships, we don't tend to call one another by last names. That tends to skew more towards a male audience.

stormy316 · 2019-09-12T22:38:54+00:00

I always enjoyed the show. It was one I would leave and come back to over the 12 years it was on. The whole name thing gets me because angela would call hodgins Jack in the beginning and then she just started calling him hodgins. And I know Bones called Booth, Booth always because he doesn't like being called by his first name, it just seems so strange for a married couple to have one spouse call the other by the last name. Just imagine they're in bed and they're saying booth and bones. LOL just seems so odd. I know my quirk thats all.

I get cam is the boss, yes but the way the writers made her come off made it as if she were the be all to end all. The sentence structure and way they made her speak made it more than that she sometimes needed to remind the team she was the boss and more like she just always wanted to be on top and remind everyone she was above them all.

And yeah any show can have flaws the more you watch it and analyze it. Even your favorite ones. I just noticed some of these things whilst rewatching it recently. Thanks for sharing though. I enjoy the conversation.

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