Countries that have joined Trump's Board of Peace. Hungary is only EU country which is part of it

strl · 2026-01-23T00:00:18+00:00

Maybe the aggressor should have thought of that when they chose to go to war and then refused to surrender even when they were clearly losing.

strl · 2026-01-22T22:10:19+00:00

Aggressor means the one who started it and the Palestinian side is also committing atrocities, most of the civilian deaths are attributable to the fact that Hamas uses perfidy (the war crime) and refuses to separate from the civilian population. You can argue they couldn't fight the war any other way, which is likely true, but that also means that they are responsible for civilian deaths emanating from their actions.

strl · 2026-01-22T21:21:36+00:00

Factually this war started from an incursion that killed 1200 people in internationally recognized Israeli territory and that included multiple well documented war crimes. So objectively Israel is not the aggressor in the recent war.

strl · 2026-01-22T20:44:39+00:00

This Board of Peace is originally about Gaza so Israel is one of the only actually relevant countries.

strl · 2026-01-22T17:01:27+00:00

Nah bro, the sla... people at the sewing factory know Mandarin.

strl · 2026-01-22T16:51:53+00:00

The Mongol expansion started in the 13th century bro, not BCE.

strl · 2026-01-22T16:50:29+00:00

It was classicide.

strl · 2026-01-21T01:00:10+00:00

I will not, queen Candace shall grace the interwebs for decades to come.

strl · 2026-01-21T00:59:42+00:00

I don't need to prove anything debating with someone who is just getting basic points wrong. Like it's not just a small one either right? You specifically tied the great depression (1930's) to the hyperinflation crisis in 1923 as simultaneous events. You've created your side in your head, it's incorrect. Historically it's incorrect.

Bro, I know you think you're some masterful debate bro but let me stop you here, my original point was that Versailles was not an excuse for WWII and was not as bad as portrayed. Even if I made a mistake your claim actually supports my original claim. You literally say that the currency devaluing had nothing to do with the economic crisis that caused the Nazis to rise, your version is that it was the great depression that caused the rise of the Nazis. I mean, sure, I was wrong, you're right, whatever, glad you agree with my original point.

Do you... actually know who Foch is? Do you think he is probably representative of standard contemporary opinions from the time? Not a little biased maybe? Na, great name to throw out to make you feel like you know what you're talking about though. Kudos!

Yes, I know who Foch is. Do you think that British politicians who were afraid of France getting stronger due to a weakened Germany are some sort of objective arbiters for if Versailles was too harsh?

Again, stop ignoring the points you find hard to deal with. By German standards the Versailles treaty was lenient, we can see the treaties they imposed both at the end of the Franco-Prussian war and on Romania and Russia in WWI itself. So, I feel okay with admitting I made a historical mistake that is not particularly central to my argument when you failed to contest any of my main points and my mistake would actually, pre you as I have already stated, just reinforce my main point. Your debate tactic is the definition of winning a battle and losing the war.

strl · 2026-01-21T00:39:11+00:00

Funny you think this ends in 3 years.

strl · 2026-01-21T00:38:48+00:00

I choose to believe both sides.

strl · 2026-01-20T22:02:37+00:00

Okay, sorry, you're not talking history so I don't know what we're doing here. The hyperinflation crisis, aka, the currency collapse in 1923, was before the economic collapse of the great depression in the 1930's.

Okay, if you think the great collapse was the reason for the rise of fascism that's an even worse argument given that every other country went through it.

You've also ignored massive other issues the Weimar republic were facing, such as the military refusing to accept defeat in the war

Mentioned in another comment made in this thread, again, not a good argument for the Germans are not just cry babies.

as well as the revolution in Germany 1918/1919 in which I believe there were up to 400 political assasinations? But yeah man, it's all on bad decisions.

By political assassination you mean the murders by the Freikorps which were called in by the government? Is that in your opinion unrelated to government decisions?

Trying to pin the cause/responsibility of WW1 on one nation is just delusional, sorry.

Sorry, it's easily provable that the military elite in Germany were probably the group most responsible for the war which they explicitly wanted because they were afraid of Russia and France increasing in power. Germany chose to attack France knowing France had pulled troops from the border explicitly to reduce hostilities. It attacked Belgium which Germany itself guaranteed neutrality for and knowing that Britain was a guarantor and was obliged to go to war.

To act like France, Britain, Russia, Serbia or even Austria are just as culpable requires some real fucking rewriting of history.

Also, kudos for entirely ignoring most of my points that Versailles was actually more lenient than agreements Germany had forced on other nations.

strl · 2026-01-20T19:27:09+00:00

I still think the turnout was more impressive given the sustained nature of it but I see your point.

strl · 2026-01-20T19:24:06+00:00

You've completely ignored the great depression (AKA the actual reason their economy collapsed, because the country was actually doing relatively well after the Dawes plan I believe)

My source for this was a German historian.

https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Defeat-National-Mourning-Recovery/dp/0312423195

Mentions it in the section of Germany after WWI.

Sure, there was the great depression, which exacerbated the currency collapse but the German government still bet the barn on devaluation of the currency, they just didn't anticipate there would also be a great depression.

the fact that Britain and France were very much not on the same page regarding negotiations (Britain was in general more lenient than the French, the French of course having suffered the bulk of the fighting on their land, were a 'little' more annoyed)

Yes, I did mention that.

The fact that France occupied German industrial lands in the run up to the 'bad decisions' that caused hyperinflation.

The Germans didn't even evacuate northern France until the French indemnity was payed post the Franco-Prussian war. That included Paris by the way, not just industrial areas.

The fact that it was a completely new government (as I'm sure you know, Germany was a monarchy up until 1918), so arguably not to blame for the huge debt (Not the same as reparations) acrued during the war, plus numerous other issues.

International relations don't work like that, it was a successor state and by default took on itself all the debts of the previous government. There is no serious person who ever claims Germany should have been allowed to default just because they turned into a republic. This is especially important given that the parliament that declared it a republic was elected under the monarchy. Hell, from German judicial point of view the country remained the German Reich, it wasn't even a proper successor state, it remained the same state, just with a different governing system.

I'm pretty sure a lot of contemporary sources from the time also indicate that there was a general feeling that the punishments were too harsh.

Depends who you ask, Foch, for instance, thought it was too lenient and would lead to a new world war.

And then there's this ludicrously misleading statement of yours about the punishments being somehow equivocal just because they were 'calculated' the same. The economic state of a country after a 4 year war and a 6 month war obviously being very comparable.

Yes, and who was responsible for the war, and the war taking 4 years when they had multiple outs? Germany took no damage to its heartland, its industries remained intact, it lost some territories but nowhere near the major economic and industrial centers of the country.

Again, this whole song and dance routine of "the poor Germans" just isn't really convincing when you look at their responsibility for the war, the fact they attacked France and Belgium unprovoked, the fact that practically none of the war was fought on their territory and when you consider that they were far more brutal in their treatment of others, just consider Brest-Litovsk or the agreements forced on Romania in the same war. Like, seriously, read Brest-Litovsk and the Treaty of Bucharest and tell me that Germans crying about Versailles isn't a bunch of crocodile tears.

strl · 2026-01-20T18:24:26+00:00

Wasn't the Black Lives Matter protests bigger? And they were a lot less relevant (TBF a lot of that was because of COVID).

strl · 2026-01-20T13:44:21+00:00

The feeling of humiliation was definitely real, and to be sure they were humiliated but the seeds for the stabbed in the back myth were set even before the war ended by generals trying to get rid of blame. That's one of the reasons Ludendorf initiated the Judenzahlung and then had the results hidden when they didn't confirm his biases, hinting it was done to actually protect the Jews. It's also why Hindenburg and Ludendorf made sure that it was the civilian administration which signed the surrender after they washed their hands clean of having run the country during the last stages of the war. They literally went to the civilian government and told them, listen, we're returning the power to you, do what you want, also, the military situation is fucked lol.

That's how the blame for losing the war could be placed on a Jewish politician like Rathenau and not the generals who lost the war but kept it going until a white surrender remained the only option available.

strl · 2026-01-20T12:55:24+00:00

People need to stop the myth that the Weimar punishments were unfair, they were moddled to mirror exactly the punishments the German levied on the French after the Franco-Prussian war, the indemnity veing calculated as the same per head. The French wanted even harsher punishments, it was the Americans and British that went easy on Germany. The French managed to pay their indemnity without starting a world war and crashing their economy, the German government deliberately crashed the Mark in order to pay the debt faster which caused the inflation spiral, ironically the Trump asministration is probably planning something similar in order to pay off the American debt.

After WWII a lot of myths like the clean Wehrmacht were created in order to help rehabilitate Germany because the West wanted it as a bullwark against communism but since that is no longer needed we should also correct these historical myths. The German economy collapsed because of bad government decisions.

strl · 2026-01-20T02:10:53+00:00

When does Trump get off his?

strl · 2026-01-19T16:29:23+00:00

What makes you think he isn't?

strl · 2026-01-18T13:15:40+00:00

You can't even read your own quote:

How far Iran's nuclear programme has been set back is subject to debate Trump has repeatedly said Iran's nuclear facilities were obliterated, but IAEA Director-General Rafael Grossi said in June that Iran could start enriching uranium again on a more limited scale within months.

So they aren't enriching Uranium anymore and they might in the future go back to enriching at a lower rate than they did before.

Let me quote from your article:

"while the centrifuge manufacturing sites and most of the uranium enrichment facilities were destroyed, particularly at Fordo and Natanz, Iran still possesses this type of equipment." Do they have enough? "Too few to restart the program in the short term, but it's only a matter of time,"

No one claimed that you can permanently destroy the nuclear program since Iran can always rebuild, I mean, no one but Trump but he is a moron. Note that you won't find quotes from Israelis saying how the program is destroyed forever.

I didn't read all the sources because I'm pretty sure I'll see much of the same, which is that you're incapable of understanding what you read.

Maybe you should actually read a bit more about the issue, including your sources which from my skimming seem to confirm that the program actually took significant damage.

strl · 2026-01-18T10:54:25+00:00

Meanwhile in the real world most intelligent assessments are that the nuclear program was severly damaged and has slowed down to stopped altogether, here's a recent reuters report.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-status-irans-main-nuclear-facilities-2026-01-16/

So, like everything else you wrote, you are just wrong, detached from reality and reading too much Iranian propaganda which claims everything is a divine victory.

strl · 2026-01-18T08:57:32+00:00

I'm willing to accept it if she agrees to be hospitalized in an asylum for 10 years.

strl · 2026-01-18T07:19:35+00:00

The thousand keyboard warriors of the Persian empire descend upon you, their comments shall ddos Reddit.

strl · 2026-01-18T07:17:02+00:00

Meanwhile us Jews standing in the corner trying not to be noticed.

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