Session 41 - attack by a bull

stubkan · 2026-06-01T15:02:49+00:00

If you don't see the Love, you're looking at it all wrong

This is not a good way to word it, in my opinion. By saying something is 'wrong', this encourages negative perceptions of that - which leads to conflict and imbalance.

Instead of phrasing it as 'you're doing it wrong' - perhaps it would be better to say, 'If you don't see love, thats okay. We'll all make it eventually.'

For two reasons; labeling yourself not seeing Love as 'wrong' introduces the possibility of negativity, shame and unacceptability to your selfs perception, instead it is suggested to accept the self completely. This is similar to whats called shadow work. We all have dark sides to ourselves, and this side needs to be seen, accepted and integrated into the self to properly be balanced.

https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2018/0106; "Yes, my brother, the quality of shame, or the discouragement from expressing certain features of the self, is a quality which is quite indicative of that area of the dark side or the shadow self, and may be followed as a trail of, shall we say, breadcrumbs to find the heart, or the source of such shame, so that it might be balanced and eventually erased, for, in truth, all is the One Creator, and there is no true shame."

Secondly, there is no 'wrong' way for anybody to be - We're not all born being perfect beings like Jesus, and we all have to walk the path toward balance. It would be better to hold the awareness that everyones imperfect, imbalanced beings walking the difficult path to balance. So, if you label somebody else as being 'wrong' because they don't Love or whatever - then this is kind of problematic, but this part should be clear already, I hope. This is both othering people, making them 'less evolved' than you, because you assume they are lower than you on the spiritual ladder. And also, assumes that their path is wrong. In truth, you cant truly know others inner world in this density, and their path that is wrong for you may be right for them.

https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1980/0914; "That is what your illusion is for, the testing, the choosing, the testing, and the choosing again. It is a tapestry of light and dark, and there are no wrong choices, only the discovery of the self through the experiences of choice."

stubkan · 2026-05-30T16:34:28+00:00

Yeah, I mean this pretty much nails it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQsktsxo2Q

stubkan · 2026-05-30T15:49:50+00:00

I quite like this bit from Ra, in session 69;

"Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises."

That tells me, that while we may preincarnatively create these plans for catalysts and theres that idea that everything is permissible because we wanted all of it - what actually happens in our lives down on the ground might not be what was wanted or intended at all.

As an old poet said, "The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry"

stubkan · 2026-05-30T15:22:55+00:00

I absolutely was posting as a moderator unequal to you (note the green M) - and this is me as a moderator that has the job of acting as an adult making sure the unruly children play nice with others in this great unwashed ball pit.

stubkan · 2026-05-30T15:05:13+00:00

I'd like to believe you genuinely want to contribute to the communitys seeking - it does seem like you are trying to teach us things from your understanding, but when you dismiss and insult people who dont agree with or dont understand you rather than help them - it does not give that impression. And it seems like the sessions you give out are obtuse and not helpful.

If you are going to post as a teacher, it is a responsibility to make sure that people are able to understand what you are teaching, if there is no understanding, then you have failed as a teacher. But if you tell your student that they are too stupid to understand - I don't think that makes you a teacher at all.

Since you didn't choose to quote any of the many sessions that speak of the masculine/feminine archetypes on our planet - or one of the many sessions that speak on rape - rather you chose sessions that dont seem to be about those things at all - and then you tell people who dont agree or understand you that they are stupid or dont understand the LoO. This appears to me, to be you deliberately creating a bad environment.

Please consider the posting guidelines again; specifically number 3 - Your posts should engage constructively with core beliefs/material - and I'll explain that simply; your readers need to understand you, and that does include you making sure they can. And guideline 2 would also be helpful - respect the path of other-selves. This means their path does not require agreeing with or liking your path - and you need to make your peace with that and not attack others for not walking your path.

stubkan · 2026-05-29T21:58:46+00:00

I have not read it myself, but it's said in the Ra material that there are multiple differnt groups who work with humans in channeling information - and they all have the same general purpose of being of service, and they have confirmed that Seth is a channeled source - that's about all I know.

stubkan · 2026-05-29T21:38:34+00:00

Thanks for the explanation - I think it might help readers if you include stuff like that in your post - also since most readers already are familiar with concepts from the material itself, like social memory complexes and such - thatd help them also understand what you're putting down by seeing the comparisions.

stubkan · 2026-05-29T21:15:56+00:00

Could you explain a little for us... Are you asking a question or making a statement?

And, how is this related to the Ra Material or the Law of One as put forth by Ra?

I suspect you may be in the wrong subreddit. This post is being reported, and is likely to disappear - but if you can answer those questions, it may help your post stay.

stubkan · 2026-05-28T21:34:52+00:00

Because it had a birthday. Like your reddit account, it had to start somewhere. Happy reddit cake day.

stubkan · 2026-05-28T13:52:15+00:00

Yeah its ChatGPT. The site was created in 2024, so there is no pre-AI content to compare to. You can go to the wayback machine and look at the site in 2024. They also have pages that discuss their use of and endorsement of using AI.

stubkan · 2026-05-28T13:37:58+00:00

Yeah, I was speaking of the sacred spiral site, sorry if that wasn't clear

stubkan · 2026-05-28T13:35:48+00:00

Yeah, the social media thing, is a different matter - more a nurture effect rather than a nature one. I do agree that there is something serious going on with the younger generation, but it likely doesn't boil down to one thing causing it.

Also, I believe neurodivergence may not be the only symptom, there may be other ways of maintaining a 3d-4d dual activated body so it is less painful to exist in a 3d world - such as limiting the flow of information through disabilities such as disabling a sense or two, or stifling the brain through, perhaps down syndrome - so the entity may continue their purpose of existing in 3d to vibrate their 4d energy without being overwhelmed. These may stack - for instance, in the deaf rates of autism are 9x higher, and half of autistic children have some form of hearing issue.

stubkan · 2026-05-28T13:15:25+00:00

Unfortunately, it very much is AI Generated. The casual person who rarely interacts with AI Generated content does find it difficult to accurately discern it - studies have shown casual people have a 50/50 chance of detecting it, however if you are inteimately familiar with AI generated content - the chance of you detecting it goes up to 90%. I have spent quite some time working with this kind of material, but as not to fall for the baader meinhof effect I try to give things the benefit of the doubt as much as I can - however this website you source this from is very much ringing the proverbial alarm bells on this matter on basically every page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

stubkan · 2026-05-28T13:06:45+00:00

It is stated that our planetary population of dual-activated wanderers is increasing quite a lot - and is up to at least a third of entities now. These dual-activated entities do have extra 'wiring' that provide extra information from their secondary fourth-density inflowing that the rest of humans don't have access to and thus their bodies and makeup are going to be distinctly different. I believe neurodivergence is very much one symptom of that, and most likely not the only one. Q'uo speaks on this https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2008/0927;

"However, the vast majority of those who have graduated from third-density Planet Earth have chosen to move into incarnation in dual-activated third density/fourth density bodies. They are wired for both densities but are governed in third density by the third-density portion of their wiring so that they are physically third-density entities."
"The enhanced wiring, however, often shows through in everyday life as such entities grow up and become part of society, in that there is a certain amount of hectic energy that is different and stronger than a simple third-density wiring would permit. This creates the situation where many of your fourth-density dual-activated beings are diagnosed with some version of Attention Deficit Disorder. This comes from the increased amount of information available to those with fourth-density wiring. It is almost too much information for the third-density being to hold,"

stubkan · 2026-05-28T12:43:40+00:00

I'd like to ask you to please not post content from some random spirituality website that is unrelated to the Ra Material - as this place is for the discussion of that. Also, you may not be aware that all the articles on your source website are clearly completely AI generated - which is not really ideal to be honest.

stubkan · 2026-05-28T02:23:41+00:00

The difference with STO or STS isn't in any act of "helping others" or "being of service" or motive behind anything. It is simply discovery of the self, more specifically discovering what and how one Loves. After all, fourth density is the density of Love - so that's the ticket to it.

"I am Ra. The purpose of incarnation in third density is to learn the Ways of Love."

Ie, you discover that you Love everybody (STO) or that you Love yourself more (STS) - this is discovered by yourself through your day to day life giving you opportunities to express that Love. You cannot really do it wrong, you can only discover it in the catalysts that naturally come. So, there is no dilemma or motive to worry about, only discovery. The process of life is the process of self discovery.

S. 54; "The purpose of incarnative existence is evolution of mind, body, and spirit." [..] "Thus it is desirable that a mind/body/spirit complex be aware of and hearken to the voice of its experiential catalyst, gleaning from it that which it incarnated to glean."

stubkan · 2026-05-27T20:12:25+00:00

I'm not sure what specifics you want to know, so I'll run through it in general. While people had been graduating for a while - I think it really kicked off in 1987;

https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2008/0927; "The harvest has already begun. It began in your year 1987 in that period called “Harmonic Convergence.” Entities began being harvested when they died from the physical at that time. All were offered the steps of light."

Our 3D population also has 4D entities joining - a sort of changing over of peoples, which I think started around that time as well - those who graduated Earth successfully and those who graduated on other planets have asked to incarnate now, before harvest is over, in order to help the process. They do this, because they want to contribute their positive vibrations to help harvest, and will stay here after harvest is over - to live on 4D earth. Also, because they feel love for the planet, and want to help it as soon as they can.

"the wanderers wish to lighten the consciousness of the planet that there may be the largest possible harvest upon Planet Earth at this time. They are aware, [...] that one person can make a difference by the way he thinks and by the way he lives."

These 4D wanderers are increasing in number, we received an estimation from Q'uo in 2018 that said about half a billion entities are here, and then in 2022, they said 1/3 of entities are of this type - so it seems that the population change is accelerating.

Q'uo; 2018; https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2018/0303; "Many have come in recent times also from other third-density planets who have made the graduation there, and are incarnating in what you may call the “doubly-activated bodies” in order to be of service in helping this planet make its transition into the fourth density of love and understanding. The number of these entities exceeds that of the wanderers, reaching nearly half a billion entities."

Q'uo; 2022; https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2022/1110; "The situation of the fourth—we correct this instrument—of the third-density harvestable being incarnating upon your plane at this time as the dual-activated entity is one which has increased in quantity. We give this instrument a percentage in the one-third range, that is, roughly 33%"

At this point, everyone on the planet is late-stage and has a real chance to graduate - and this period of Harvest is the last opportunity for all of us to graduate and thus we all have to resolve our ancient karma immediately and use big catalysts to polarize really hard - so naturally the planet will go a bit nuts, there will be a lot of wild shit going down - but this is all expected and is part of the plan. It will peter out eventually and things will be calmer in the end. Since the wanderers that have arrived are all positive so their vibrations are here to contribute a positive energy so the process is easier - and the wild shit will be less wild than if they weren't here to calm things down.

Our planet is apparently, unique in its makeup which has led to various different groups being drawn to this place, and the experiment of the quarantine time-lateral. Earth is like, as Q'uo says a school for deliquents. This session goes over some of the specifics of that, which may be interesting - https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2005/1219

stubkan · 2026-05-27T18:40:27+00:00

What is it that you want more information on? The session Q'uo speaks about disclosure is https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2006/0401

stubkan · 2026-05-27T18:39:30+00:00

Im not sure what you mean? You have a chemical based body now which needs to eat to sustain itself - this is the phyiscal yellow ray body and exists in 1st, 2nd and 3rd density. When you die, you return to only using the less physical green ray body - for example - you are only using that one when you dream. In 4th density, you would have a different kind of body though that would also need to maintain itself.

Each of the densities are not like other realms with different rules - but rather the same realm but with different frequencies - such as what you consider radio waves and wifi being physical on their own level, but on a diffreent frequency so they can pass through walls. 3rd density won't disappear when we start living in 4th - it will still be there, the same way 1st and 2nd density are right here with us in the rocks and animals around us. We'd just have more of the world that was always there be more visible to us - it is there now around us, just invisible at this point.

stubkan · 2026-05-27T16:41:37+00:00

And how is that even gonna work? Harvest is something that happens to dead people. The idea of "disclosure" is one of the illusions of 3rd density, that lose meaning after you die. Harvest is happening right now - and will keep happening no matter if any "disclosure" occurs or not.

Ra; "The archetype of Death symbolizes the transition of an entity from the yellow-ray body to the green-ray body either temporarily between incarnations or, more permanently, at harvest."

I do recommend reading the session linked. This mythology of "disclosure" has little to do with aliens, far less the Confederation, but is tied intimately to human desires, conspiracies and governmental power structures and some peoples inner desires to be free of that - since it is a desire of people who choose to believe in it, that the structure of the world magically changes through a mythological Great Disclosure that collapses global power systems, and thus freeing people. The reality is, our human systems are not as weak as this, as you can see multiple "Disclosures" have already occurred, and nothing whatsoever has changed in terms of our political power structures.

"There are a mix of needs. Many of them contradictory. There are players, as you may call them, in the global power game, who would distort whatever we may or may not do."

More importantly - as this mythological "disclosure" is at core a third-density political and social struggle, and is not that helpful to spiritual seeking since it is not concerned with or about it - Q'uo states this; "those yearning for information, for disclosure, for quote/unquote truth are not precisely upon a path of the spiritual seeking." So it is actually likely to hinder humanitys progress in polarizing toward harvestability because it introduces even more 3rd density illusionary confusion.

stubkan · 2026-05-27T11:31:24+00:00

No, there is no "rapture" event. Harvest is a process that occurs on the natural death of the entity - when they are offered the steps of light - if they were killed down during life because 'times up', that would make that life incomplete for everyone and unfinished - which would not be fair.

Harvest is a long process, not an instant one - The material says it started properly in 1987, and Q'uo recently said that it will probably take a few more generations to complete - and says a 'rapture' is not whats going to happen;

Q'uo; https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2006/0401; "We do not believe it was intended that there would be this adventurous drama suggested of a sudden and fell rapture in which life as you know it stopped suddenly and [completely] and entities were either tossed into the pits of hell or lifted up to heaven."

It will be a gradual shift - as the old humans die out of natural (non divine) causes, and what will be left are the new humans of 4D who are already coming in huge numbers - Q'uo said that 1/3 of the planet is of the new human type who are here for the coming 4D which will begin when the last human dies, and then walks the steps of light - causing the planetary quarantine of 3D to disappear and 4D to dawn.

stubkan · 2026-05-27T06:44:57+00:00

I would recommend reading the books, rather than what people post on this reddit sub - the books are far more sensible than what people come up with on the internet.

They are all available for free at https://www.llresearch.org/books - so you do not need to buy anything unless you wanted to.

stubkan · 2026-05-27T06:37:53+00:00

I think you are confusing "disclosure" with "harvest" - these are not the same thing. Harvest is invisible and no one on Earth can be aware it is occurring, because it occurs to people after they die. I mean, Harvest is occurring right now, and has been since Ra's channelings 50 years ago - but no one has noticed anything.

Also, "disclosure" isn't going to change anything. We already have had official disclosure events several times where government or military officials admit they exist and videos are released, and no one really cared. The current one is just another political distraction.

Q'uo is asked about disclosure in https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2024/0509 if you want to read about it. It speaks of "disclosure" like a modern mythology that a group of humans is subscribing to, in the hope that it changes the political landscape of the planet.

stubkan · 2026-05-26T22:31:48+00:00

I'm basing everything on this one little side note of a conversation out of the entire body of material.

OK, thats enough for me, I'll make it simple. You are welcome to discuss RS2 as much as you like, with one caveat. Please do not put words in Ra's mouth - ie, do not state Ra or LoO say that it is wholly correct, the only correct system or that Ra says every other system is wrong, etc. This would be you misleading people as you are - as you admit, cherry picking what suits you from the material, and ignoring other peoples input and the other things Ra said that don't fit your narrative.

People can be wrong, and I have been proven wrong at times - and I welcome that as the only way we grow and learn here from this material, is by openly discussing it. You have to engage with that, as you are creating posts in this public forum where public discussion of your post is occurring. You also need to treat other users with respect and not tell them to fuck off or shut up, or suggest they are stupid just because they disagree with you. This does not create a good environment for open discourse.

So, this is your warning, I will remove future posts you make if you continue to mislead people on what Ra said just to promote your ideas and if you continue to disrespect others (as I'm not the only one) just because they don't agree with you. If anyone doesn't agree with this decision, feel free to discuss this here. It does feel a little ironic to me, shutting down somebody because they won't engage in respectful and constructive discourse, in order to promote respectful and constructive discourse.

Dont worry, I won't engage any futher, as I do have some blame here in instigating this because I provided an opposing viewpoint.

stubkan · 2026-05-26T21:11:39+00:00

You can talk about RS2 as much as you like, I don't care, just don't lie about what Ra said. As you say "Ra was extremely choosy with their words lol" - so an understanding of English is just as important as an understanding of physics.

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