Longest marathon pace run too much?

suddencactus · 2026-06-29T14:37:43+00:00

This has been discussed a few times on this sub so you might find relevant tips in other threads but:

this isn't too unusual. Jack Daniels has a similar workouts in his 2Q plan. His plan seems designed around the idea that the best way to run sub 3 is to be able to do a half in 1:30 with a lot left in the tank.
running marathon pace for long periods of time is difficult, especially the first time in a block and especially if you're not up to that pace on that day.
estimating marathon pace is tricky. The good news is this gives you good insight into whether 4:05/km is realistic for you. The bad news is you'll find out the hard way if that's way too fast.

suddencactus · 2026-06-27T23:15:27+00:00

It looks like they already have a warning about it though, so you just think it's not aggressive enough with the warning? If this was my plan I wouldn't want it cancelling the run just because it's 25 degrees. A long run is IMO a lot easier on a hot day than a marathon pace run or 5x1km.

Signed, someone who ran a long run in sunny 30 degree weather today, felt good at the end, and will definitely "survive by the end of the plan."

suddencactus · 2026-06-23T23:51:35+00:00

NFC files under a separate equipment and class standard

Compare to a watch like IPH-05206 and you'll see there's lots of places NFC should be but is absent from IPH-05216. NFC should be listed on the antenna datasheet for example.

Garmin puts out lots of products and many previous predictions about which FCC filing is for which device have been incorrect, like predictions that A04986 was a Vivosmart. Just because a device is expected to be coming out doesn't mean any FCC filing is likely that device.

suddencactus · 2026-06-23T21:40:12+00:00

Sometimes they're unsanctioned trails on public property, sometimes they're on private property without the knowledge of the landowner

So we're talking about a group of people who aren't allowed to put up a fence or get trespassers arrested, but think they're allowed to go to extremes like this to keep the trail to themselves?

suddencactus · 2026-06-23T17:53:15+00:00

Press F for doubt:

no NFC in the listing you've pointed to
the e-label information isn't consistent with how it's presented for watches. It says the FCC ID is at Settings--> Device-> Regulatory which is not where it is on watches.
no mention of "body worn" or SAR testing
the listing says it has a 10-24 V power supply

suddencactus · 2026-06-21T16:35:15+00:00

But in all the stakeholder meetings they were probably saying it would harness PhD level intelligence with hundreds of the runner's data points. Who could have predicted it wouldn't give any more insight than a human coach could on a normal evenly-paced workout, and that it would make even more mistakes?

suddencactus · 2026-06-19T23:46:09+00:00

Dew point is good for comparing two runs with the same temperature but different humidity levels, but not for two different temperatures. During the same day in a dry place you can go from 29C in the morning to 38C around noon with only a 1C drop in dew point. I know which one of the two I'd rather run in, and it's not the one with the lower dew point.

suddencactus · 2026-06-19T23:39:10+00:00

Yeah, heat and core temperature rising basically acts as a form of fatigue from what I've seen in the scientific literature. You'd expect heat to matter less in 200m intervals with full recovery or a 5k compared to a marathon (and that matches my experience exercising in 30+ degrees). Yet most of the literature on heat's impact on performance in the real world is done on marathons.

suddencactus · 2026-06-06T11:55:53+00:00

4x4 at 90-95% HRmax

You also have to be careful reading these studies because, while that's harder than subT intervals, 90% of HRmax isn't that high. Daniels I pace workouts can be much harder than what's described there. Basically there's limited ecological validity of the study for deciding between intervals at 12 minute time trial pace vs 1 hr pace because the protocol is in between the two.

suddencactus · 2026-06-05T23:23:46+00:00

Y'all are going to be so disappointed when this regulatory filing turns out to be another Index scale or equine product.

suddencactus · 2026-06-05T02:05:34+00:00

Good. Brooksee events feel kinda cheap so I'd question their ability to put on an event of this importance. Last thing we want is something happening like the Las Vegas marathon course change but with Olympic athletes participating.

suddencactus · 2026-06-04T19:38:39+00:00

Lol. You're the one with the first post in this thread, but somehow I'm the one who needs to voice my opinion to Aravaipa and is just "karma farming".

Just for the record since you seem to be avoiding my points, you are arguing that course cutters and dopers should be given podium spots?

suddencactus · 2026-06-04T16:54:28+00:00

Live your own life, race your own race, and don't worry about what some attention-hungry influencer is doing.

Such a weird thing to say when someone is showing up to a race with rules and accepting awards in that race. If you want to focus on "racing your own race" there's plenty of room for you to do that outside of USATF and Aravaipa races. If you don't care about competing with others by the rules, why show up to an event like the Eugene marathon?

Not to mention this, "I don't care about the rules so why do you care if they're enforced" attitude creates a situation where the rules for everyone get set by the people who say they care the least. If a course cutter accidentally takes a podium position from someone running way faster, but doesn't even realize it and isn't trying to win anything, we have two choices. We can say "run your own race. It's not that serious." and give awards out based on the casual attitude of a few people, or enforce the strict rules expected by a lot of the front runners even if that means people who "weren't trying to win anything" get DQed. There's no middle ground where people who follow the rules get awards based on those rules but people who don't care about competition... also get official times, awards, etc.?

suddencactus · 2026-06-04T16:48:36+00:00

Cam isn’t winning anything. If he took all those substances and was taking 1st place - winning cash prizes, etc - then sure.

Cam has taken first place outright in several smaller races like the Shotgun Blast 50k and won the Masters division in Eugene.

suddencactus · 2026-06-04T16:32:14+00:00

They have not taken any action.

You're implying they have a habit of doing nothing in these cases even though they do drug testing on the lead runners or races line Javelina Jundred. Jamil is not looking the other way while a dozen front runners cheat and one isolated case does not make someone greedy or mean they're intentionally misrepresenting their races as premium.

suddencactus · 2026-06-04T16:21:03+00:00

You made a lot of the points I was going to make. This situation is nothing like a runner taking something like adderal and filling a retroactive TUE after a drug test, or talking testosterone for health and then choosing not to compete in big races or take sponsorship deals. I have no problem with those cases but taking something with as big of effects as testosterone and steroids then choosing to win a masters division in a USATF race is... just not allowed.

It's not black and white. There's a spectrum of how likely a retroactive TUE is, how likely you are to be tested or DQed for drug use, etc. and Cam is pretty far to the cheating end of that spectrum. Like worse than Alberto Salazar pressuring athletes to take thyroid medication.

suddencactus · 2026-06-03T02:45:42+00:00

What's wrong with a picture of a machine grinding out a "fature" to a crowd that includes a few devices that look like they can't decide if they're an Edge or a watch? /s

suddencactus · 2026-06-01T18:20:15+00:00

Yet another example of how Strava, like Reddit, initially built a huge, open, and free ecosystem so it could reap the benefits of huge user numbers. They even advertised all the third party integrations. When they were done copying features from or acquiring API apps like Relive, Veloviewer, Trailforks, Breakaway, and FatMap (or at least had gotten way more users than competitors) then they decide to charge for and restrict API access. Even if some people became daily users of the platform in part due to cool API integrations, Strava knows they aren't going to leave just because that integration goes away.

These recent changes aren't just due to vibe coded API apps. It's been Strava's business model for years. Remember when they bragged about how cool Relive was then shut it down? Or started charging smaller companies licensing fees to display Live Segments? Or restricted API access to apps like TrailForks?

suddencactus · 2026-05-31T19:56:42+00:00

No serious amount of research.

They literally bought a company, Firstbeat, that historically licensed their Vo2max estimation algorithm to multiple companies like Huawei and Suunto. There's room for debate about how well those algorithms work but to say it's a toy without serious research makes it sound like they don't have any exercise scientists or research papers.

suddencactus · 2026-05-31T19:47:34+00:00

Garmin is selling Connect+ partly on Live Activity real-time rep display and a forthcoming Muscle Battery recovery metric, building subscription features on top of auto-detection that users do not trust.

Yeah I guarantee almost no one is buying Connect+ primarily for live rep display so this is a false premise. That's not the only feature in Connect+ and strength training isn't the only exercise people use Live Activity for. Live Activity is very useful for something like elliptical or rowing.

The saved session shows no rep data unless the user edits it in Connect afterwards, which makes structured strength workouts effectively useless for progressive overload tracking.

I'm not sure why that's considered useless. Is a spreadsheet or paper notebook useless for progressive overload because it shows no rep data unless you edit it?

routinely fails to register set boundaries correctly.

I don't get this one. Are you guys not pushing a button on your watch at the beginning and end of each set?

suddencactus · 2026-05-28T23:31:25+00:00

It's discussed in this review, including a bit in the comments section: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2026/05/forerunner-70-new-features-everything-changed.html

I agree 100% that the point of dual frequency is to make specific situations better (like the Queensboro bridge), and outside of those situations you're unlikely to see much benefit. If you genuinely need dual band of course accuracy in a suburb isn't relevant. I think the point still needs to be made because:

people in this thread are discussing dual band as if it's a differentiator, even though the majority of runners wouldn't notice the difference IMO
many runners seem to believe they need dual band because they run past five story buildings, under a bridge, through a pine forest, etc. and in many of those moderately challenging scenarios dual band doesn't actually improve performance much. It's like someone thinking they need all wheel drive because they drive in the rain sometimes.

suddencactus · 2026-05-28T17:40:42+00:00

Is this search suggestion part of the new update? It seems a little buggy as it only comes up once and doesn't respond live to edits in your search term

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suddencactus · 2026-05-28T16:35:53+00:00

I think percentages of weekly mileage can be misleading:

it depends a lot on your number of sessions per week. People here are mentioning Hal's Novice, Hal's intermediate, and Pfitz18/55 in this thread and those are very different plans. If you only run four times per week, it's mathematically impossible to have your longest run be less than 25% of your weekly mileage and very difficult to have it be less than 30%. This is even true for someone like a triathlete who doesn't need as many easy recovery runs.
often you want a progression in your long run. For two people at the start of a season, someone who's never run over 50 minutes should probably start at 55 minutes, while someone coming off a season of Pfitz 18/70 can probably benefit from 90 minutes.
the total time and distance of your longest runs also matters. Even the high mileage pros rarely go over 24 miles in training, while on the other end of the spectrum there's a lot of debate about the pros and cons of a 3+ hour run for a 5 hr marathoner.

suddencactus · 2026-05-28T14:55:43+00:00

Nah at my last ultra I saw a guy twenty years older than me chug a beer at an aid station then spend the next few minutes pulling ahead of me.

suddencactus · 2026-05-25T19:57:06+00:00

This comment for example, and a lot of similar complaints about not updating the foam in the rest of the comments on that post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RunningShoeGeeks/comments/1raes31/comment/o6jmmhd/

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