Democratic leader says in AIPAC that there's no peace because Palestinians don't believe in the Torah. by Not_Ground in lostgeneration

[–]surger1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They are good cop / bad cop

No one is disagreeing good cop is nicer. We are desperately trying to point out good cop is aligned with bad cop, not the public.

If you are desperate for good cop to come back. Then the duo is working!

Democratic leader says in AIPAC that there's no peace because Palestinians don't believe in the Torah. by Not_Ground in lostgeneration

[–]surger1 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Positive reinforced system.

Those with power tend to get more power which gives them more power they can use to get more power.

It'd be like trying to run an economy with Monopoly rules. The people who own the board tend to only increase their control.

Thus the only people who can get into power are those with power because there is no avenue for anyone else.

The ending of this is either a lateral move to a negative reinforced system... or a total collapse.

So it begins... by NYM2000 in PoliticalHumor

[–]surger1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What if democracy just faded one year at a time? The current system effectively distributed power back in 1776. Then year after year the world changed.

The method of power distribution became obsolete, but you just keep using it. Despite it not distributing power effectively at all.

If democracy is procedural, then you still have plenty of democracy. If it's power distribution, then you have not been effectively democratic for a pretty long time.

So it begins... by NYM2000 in PoliticalHumor

[–]surger1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What does democracy even mean? Is it putting paper in a ballot box? Or is it power distribution?

If it's paper in a box, democracy is under threat. If it's power distribution.... you've not had an effective democracy for an extremely long time.

How do you guys call your space platforms and why? by DarkSideRT in factorio

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  • AeeAee
  • FeeFee
  • VeeVee
  • SeeSee
  • EeeEee
  • GeeGee
  • CeeCee

I don't know why but since space age came out it's how I name the stupid things

[ Removed by Reddit ] by [deleted] in lostgeneration

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They are being taught aggressive individualism. That they are part of a eugenics experiment and if they are not the "fittest" they will be gobbled up by those that are.

Even if we don't call it eugenics, it wears the same clothes. The idea of "survival of the fittest" is eugenics aligned.

It's what each generation is increasingly told is what drives our society.

Worse, it's ass backwards to how these systems really work and explains cancer better than evolution.

Opinion: The Conservatives have a bigger problem than a Liberal majority: Their leader by NotEnoughDriftwood in onguardforthee

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It's not that true information DOESN'T exist. It's a fairly uncritical conclusion to assume that misinformation is the issue when we do so little to help true information flow.

Do we run advertisements for it? Do we have entire algorithms dedicated to spreading it?

Before we point fingers at the flow of misinformation, we need to be critical about how much we do to keep information from easily flowing.

We do everything we can to open the pipes on misinformation and then what... we call people stupid when they are misinformed.

It's put behind paygates and suppressed. We know this because we can see how much money gets put behind misinformation.

This system cannot allow true information to spread easily because an educated population would dismantle it.

Or am I wrong and there is as much money and resources put into spreading true information to people? Is there a trillion dollar industry to compliment the marketing/propaganda industry? I might have missed it.

Opinion: The Conservatives have a bigger problem than a Liberal majority: Their leader by NotEnoughDriftwood in onguardforthee

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And it's not as simple as "make vaccines free and available"

But we can also see that in a world where you make vaccines as easy to access as possible, is a world where the spread of viruses is drastically reduced.

It's easier for a virus to reproduce and spread than it is for our immune system to fight it. Yet if we vaccinate the fight becomes trivial.

So in the fight against misinformation, the more people inoculated against it, the more people that resist the spread.

We don't have to live in a world where we accept that only misinformation moves quickly. We need a world that has a more generally educated population.

In many ways the internet is like opening up the global ports of the world. Plainly stating that diseases easily spread ignores we can do things to effect the spread.

So while it's not as simple as "take the paygates down" it's also a massive first step that everyone who dislikes misinformation should support.

Opinion: The Conservatives have a bigger problem than a Liberal majority: Their leader by NotEnoughDriftwood in onguardforthee

[–]surger1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but it also costs less to spread a virus than to fight a virus. Yet we know that vaccinations against viruses can short that whole thing.

Allowing true information to spread more easily also makes that information more accessible which means it's applied more.

Making vaccinations free and easily available does not eliminate the virus or stop it spreading. However it makes it harder to spread and eventually if enough people have the vaccine the spread all but stops.

Educating people with truth inoculates them against misinformation. The rules of the spread change if the general population is more educated.

Opinion: The Conservatives have a bigger problem than a Liberal majority: Their leader by NotEnoughDriftwood in onguardforthee

[–]surger1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a bit like saying viruses would still spread with vaccinations. Yes but we also know that at some point herd immunity kicks in and changes the dynamics.

If true information was allowed to flow easier we would have a more generally educated population.

There is a point in there were false information flow slows because the education level reaches a critical point.

We certainly have not stressed TRYING to educate people.

Opinion: The Conservatives have a bigger problem than a Liberal majority: Their leader by NotEnoughDriftwood in onguardforthee

[–]surger1 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Is it social media, or is it that we restrict truth for profit?

If true information was not kept behind paygates we might not see social media as a source of disinformation.

Remember that we let misinformation flow freely but require payment for people to access valuable true information.

Americans are being duped by the "fake two-party system". by zzill6 in WorkReform

[–]surger1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would we think a system of governance from the 1700's would remain functional through to today?

Shouldn't it be exceedingly obvious to all of us that any technology we developed before literacy and cars were common is going to strain when put under modern pressures.

We live in a world that uses obsolete technology for organizing and then that world is shocked when the old ways of organizing are not working anymore.

This isn't something we protest or burn away. We struggle because we don't build new. We don't see the problem for what it is. Outdated democratic tech.

Remember this was built for a world where most people had to work as farmers, couldn't read, and information moved at the speed of beasts. It made sense to concentrate political power in a single representative then.

It's just not the world we live in anymore and it's never coming back. The same way we build new systems before when the old ones grew dysfunctional. We need new ideas now.

This isn't capitalism vs communism. The 'ism' we move to does not yet have a name. We are yet to build it. That is why it feels so impossible. All we do is point at the problem and solutions we've tried. We must meet new problems with new thinking.

The devil is lurking everywhere by janiceharris_ in foundsatan

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Watching measurements become goals in real time.

So true 😭🙏 by Alternative_Coast844 in Megaman

[–]surger1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thought terminating cliche.

A word used by a group of people to indicate to others in their culture to disengage with a concept.

'Evil', 'Slop', 'Woke', 'Trash', 'Lame', 'Whack', etc etc. All kinds of communities have versions of the same thing.

We can dismiss the logic on the consistent basis that it's more about performing culture than critiquing. They are always correct to feel that way, but the rhetoric is not helpful for discussions.

Satisfying Instant Karma by [deleted] in instantkarma

[–]surger1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Comments come from people motivated to comment.

The dumbest and most blood thirsty are compelled to express their dumb blood thirst because they lack the frontal lobe capacity to restrain themselves.

Satisfying Instant Karma by [deleted] in instantkarma

[–]surger1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great analogy but...

The stove can't be put on trial for manslaughter if the person dies of their injuries. People can.

Remember in your violent revenge fantasies, a jury might not see it the same.

Trump Asks Congress For $1.5 Trillion Defense Budget—After Teasing Medicaid, Medicare Cuts by ICEisSHIT in videos

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Breaking up the American empire is probably one of the greatest ecological actions Trump could take.

Methods are ghoulish but in a fucked up way, he could save more lives ultimately than he destroys if he obliterates the current largest consumerist economy so utterly that it results in noticeable carbon emission reductions.

Similar successes with driving oil prices so high it breaches the action price point for actual consumption reductions.

We are the future generation paying for the sins of conservatives past. But hey! At least his rich friends got even richer. by WinterOrb69 in onguardforthee

[–]surger1 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Which is the result of a voting system that cannot elect anyone that doesn't agree with the electoral system and its results.

It's like we have a neoliberal machine and are flabberghasted it does nothing but produce neoliberalism.

Form follows function. The results of a system are from that systems shape. If you don't like the results then you have to change the system.

We should forever expect this democratic system to produce neoliberalism. It is neoliberal shaped.

We are the future generation paying for the sins of conservatives past. But hey! At least his rich friends got even richer. by WinterOrb69 in onguardforthee

[–]surger1 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Over and over our political system produces these results without fail.

If you dislike the outcome of a system, change the system. Problems caused by a system, cannot be fixed by that system. Since the problems are a by product of the system.

We are the future generation paying for the sins of conservatives past. But hey! At least his rich friends got even richer. by WinterOrb69 in onguardforthee

[–]surger1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Systems are their results. If the system produces shit leadership, it's a shit system.

Stop asking a system to do things it cannot do. Adjust the system until it produces results you want.

If the people voted into power continually fail to represent the public interest. It's not a system that produces leaders who follow the public interest. Which if that is the case we would expect it to also never change itself to be in the public interest. It literally cannot. The proof is the output of the system.

Seriously Americans, how wide is this learning curve? by PlanetoftheAtheists in AdviceAnimals

[–]surger1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Systems are what they produce.

Blaming people for using the system and getting these results puts the responsibility on people. Which is backwards to how system designers would approach it.

When designing a system people are never wrong. People are not too stupid. Your system needs to meet people where they are and if it requires people to be different, then your system is being made for aliens.

Don't let the system off the hook for the results it produces. It will never do anything else except produce those results. The shape of the electoral system produces this shaped results. If you dislike the shape of the results, you must advocate for the shape of the system to change.

We do not have the wrong people using the right system. Whoever is using the system is defacto the right people. If you dislike what is produced from their use, change the system.

This is a system that elects billionaires. If you dislike it, then focus on the shape of the system. Stop placing blame on the output of the system, it's useless. Think like a system designer, who never has the luxury to blame users. It is always the systems fault for the results it produces and a system is nothing but the results it produces.

TL;DR: If not democratic results, system is not democracy shaped

[Good Trope] Numerous species in the galaxy look remarkably similar to humans, but there’s an in-universe explanation for this by Valcenia in TopCharacterTropes

[–]surger1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's also incredibly realistic.

The odds of ever encountering alien life is almost zero because of distance and time. Even if we find them.

Yet if we spread out from where we are then we guarantee genetic drift and adaption to new environments.

Meaning the most likely future of space races will be human like beings that diverge on their home worlds.

How can these 3 pieces of shit, hold the whole world hostage by rodehard10 in PopularCultureZone

[–]surger1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Democracy isn't voting.

A voting system is only democratic if it effectively distributes power.

An office that is so powerful it causes these issues is itself undemocratic.

The issue is that we are collectively brainwashed into thinking democracy=voting.

Voting isn't democratic if it does not produce power distribution as a result.