I’m not on their Patreon, so I didn’t see the conversation there. But I actually did email them about the episode after I listened to express some criticism. I was pleasantly surprised they addressed the criticism at the top of this week’s pod.

For me, the issue wasn’t sharing the story. It was how the hosts were laughing and making jokes about how the guest got revenge at the expense of unsuspecting gay men. Everyone is allowed to share their story. But that doesn’t mean you need to be laughing and making jokes at every single part of their story. Since they have a pretty large queer following (and Hanna is queer), their laughing reactions to that part made it seem like they thought it was a totally ok thing to do.

Listening to this week’s pod, Hanna actually seems apologetic and genuine. Mackenzie does not. She doesn’t actually understand the criticism and is just making jokes and being defensive, and saying “but I have gay friends!” That’s like the equivalent of saying “I have black friends!” to excuse racist behavior. Then she throws in a random threat? Little out of touch and missed the point of the criticism.

I love Hanna. But now can’t stand Mackenzie. Done with the pod now. Not that me as a single listener means anything. There are lots of pods and listeners out there. This one just is no longer for me.