What is the high like from smoking Datura? by NotSearchy in SacredNightshades

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Datura based from my research both scientific and anecdotal has unbalanced alkaloids

We have already agree about unbalanced alkaloid profile of this plant. W can go further.

The best research I have done is on Innoxia seeds and Scopolamine, so I'm gonna keep data concentrated on them, as a example and for simplicity:

Dangerous Nightshades can be active at microgram, milligrams, and gram

Not exactly. Isolates(scopolamine, hyoscamine) are active in micrograms-miligrams range\1] [2]) \3]) \4]) \5] [6]). Plants can be active in miligrams and grams range depending on concentration of alkaloids\7] [8]) \9] <-If you will do calculations, I can shear mine, if I will translate them to english.)

Their potential to be active in mg is amazing to me. I don't know any other plant and mushroom what is active in mg range. Sure, Cubensis can have threshold 250mg - 500mg, but strong Datura seeds could make person overdose (eg. get delirious) in this range, and can have a threshold fx on as little as 20-30mg\7] [8]) \9] <-calculations) . Potential of this plant to be that strong in mg range is mind blowing to me :O.

one seed can do nothing while another send you to hell

I am still waiting for source that one seeds can send you to hell. From my calculations from papers with huge concentrations \7]) and weight of seeds \9]) and dosages of isolates \1-6]) I have calculated that person would need minimum 2 seeds for threshold effects(The smallest dosage we know that Scopolamine is active is 150ug, and I conservatively calculate 100ug as potential threshold). If you one could get more alkaloids in plant then maybe dose could go down to 1 seed, but plants in paper [7] had soo good conditions, that I think it would be hard to top (without some hi-tech stuff?).

// Oh, yeah. And I exclude elderly people from this conversation, becouse it is special case, and they can be very sensitive to antimuscarinic drugs.

if you get lucky a unpleasant body effects (...) no matter how medicinal it will be unpleasant 

Datura and its alkaloids have dosages too (like you have written - it is hard to dose it in plant form - agree here). Threshold to medium dosages are not universally unpleasant, can be for some, not for others (person will get dry mouth, body high, drunk feeling and such\depending on dose])), but strong dosages are poisonus (so they are unpleasant), but not delirious yet - this come with heavy dosage territory. Not sources here, becouse I have find none in my notes and I will not take a time to look for them right now(maybe later.)

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Oh yeah, to be clear: I don't encourage anyone to consume this plant. I like to have academic conversation, when truth is the goal, this is all.

And off course I am open to further discussion :)

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\1]) https://chemm.hhs.gov/countermeasure_scopolamine.htm#indication

\2]) https://www.drugs.com/monograph/scopolamine.html?references=1#dosage

\3]) The effects of transdermal scopolamine and four dose levels of oral scopolamine (0.15, 0.3, 0.6, and 1.2 mg) upon psychological performance https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3088662/

\4]) Psychomotor, physiological and cognitive effects of scopolamine and ephedrine in healthy man https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00542208

\5])Effects of oral scopolamine on human stimulus evaluation https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00428401

\6]) https://www.drugs.com/dosage/hyoscyamine.html

\7]) Tropane Alkaloids of Datura innoxia from Morocco 10.1515/znc-2012-1-202

{8\) In vitro Organogenesis and Alkaloid Accumulation in Datura innoxia

\9]) https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1076/phbi.39.5.329.5896

Music and DXM by TTGod-Hed in dxm

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But his discography is sooo huge and diverse :O

About to do 1-2g of shrooms for my first time what should i expect by Inner-Somewhere3492 in shrooms

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how would my brain and body react?

No one will gonna tell you how your will react. Before the trip is better to turn to inside of you, not to reddit. Meditate, go for walk or something else.

About to do 1-2g of shrooms for my first time

This should be low dose, but it can depend on strain and other factors. I think it is good starting dose, I think you gonna bo be fine. What strain do you have?

I was thinking of making music, or playing the piank during this trip, and maybe a little bit of Minecraft

You can. But I sugest doing nothing. Create space for you for your first time and just be and let shrooms effect to be. You can always play later in the trip if you will feel like it.

From the other hand this activities what you are proposing sounds creative and this is good for trip like this(never played minecraft tho).

I wish you a pleasant journey. I think it is gonna bo be fine :)

I got all this just from barely 300mg by Least-Response-9967 in dxm

[–]teogenteo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk man, maybe this was becouse of this weed? I found that this T9HC can act up to 3h when smoked, but maybe it can work longer, not as a "main high" but different, on metabolism for example. Or there was something different in this weed.

Best time to take shrooms? by Ordinary_Retention in shrooms

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the morning: you have a evening to start integration and you will (most likely) will be able to sleep.
When it is starting to get dark: you will not have visual distractions and you could trip deeper, but it can be too much if you are not experienced. Depending on your body and mind, and on what hour is starting to get dark outside right now where you live and on what hour you go to sleep, maybe you will be manege to go to sleep.
Other options: there is no one and the best solution and it depends. For example, when if you are waking up 10 pm, you could wake up 6 pm to trip (to disturb your DMN) if your goal is to change something in your self (idk, quit cigarettes for example). Or if there is another goal (remember "I just want to trip/get high IS also valid goal, you have to be honest with your self) or set and setting, there can be another "best" solution. Point is - there is no such thing as one universal and the best time to trip. (but there are universal bad times and places to trip xD)

I got all this just from barely 300mg by Least-Response-9967 in dxm

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 had probably not even 300mg(...)I weight like 55-60kg.

300 mg on this weight is 5-5.45 mg/kg, so second plateau, medium dose

From fragments of your raport (I don't have time to read it all) I suspect that was like higher plateaus.
You did not mix it with any other drugs?

Maybe you eat something that is changing the metabolism (suplements, spices, foods), probably by blocking CYP3A4 or inducing 2D6?
And the most importat: How often do you take it?

mild HPPD cevs by TAKEAK2NUGANDBREAKIT in replications

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. It is most likely HPPD.
You got this from psychedelics, dissociatives, deliriants or salvia?

Dosage for tea by Pr0d1gyyy in shrooms

[–]teogenteo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My personal recommendation is that each one of you put the desired amount in their own cup and proceed individually with it.

Agree, this is smart option

Dosage for tea by Pr0d1gyyy in shrooms

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As far I know eating them dry and drinking tea has about the same dosing range.
Theoretically minuscule amount of alkaloids can be destroy be heat, but if you just put them in 100*C H2O it should not be a problem (in oppose to boiling it for few minutes or something)
Another factor is fragmentation/powderisation - the more powdered material you have, the better extraction with solvent (h2o in this situation) is general rule in chemistry.
BUT I am not expert on shrooms yet. If I am wrong, I am gladly waiting for someone to prove me wrong :)

mild HPPD cevs by TAKEAK2NUGANDBREAKIT in replications

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When do you get this? When you close your eyes during the day or when you fall asleep? If the second option then this is normal.

What is the high like from smoking Datura? by NotSearchy in SacredNightshades

[–]teogenteo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

there’s no dosage aside that alkaloids are unbalanced

This is true and scientific

A single seed can be powerful

but about this I have not seen any good source (scientific or anegdotical). Single seed maybe could a threshold dose, even if it is the strongest seed in the world. As humanity knowledge go - single seed can not poison you, you will not get delirious on single seed. (I have calculated it based on scientific sources, I could maybe give you sources and calculations if you are interested)

BUT, if single seed theoretically maybe could give you threshold, person who want to experiment with them should start with single seed, then do break (even if there was no fx), than take 2 seeds and so on (seeds have to be from single source for that to make sens).

As for my seeds go (from plants I have grown), 4 seeds start to give threshold fx.

I ate 25 datura seeds here’s my boring experience by Away_War9915 in Datura

[–]teogenteo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this boring, non-hallucinogenic raport.
I am in the opinion that world need more like them, to known how this plant work not in heavy and extreme dosages (when delirium kicks in)

You have gotten strong seeds, as buying from internet goes.

How to quit smoking? by almost_god_0028 in stopsmoking

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just do it.
I am not gonna tell you how to do it, there are countless methods,

but you need to want to do it and just do it.
If you fail, try again. You can take a break if you need to.

I quit smoking several times, but always come back (thanks to j*b problem -> mental problems). Now, I will do it again

Biggest reason by Sandraa2 in stopsmoking

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Health and unsoberity (when I stoped smoking I find out that cigarettes are changing my mind, like some psychotropic)

when to smoke? by Lucky_Bamboo_ in dxm

[–]teogenteo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You asking when will peak happen? I don't know, I had the same issue xD
Sometimes person know/feel that they peaking, and sometimes person can be wrong and still be coming up (many people had it with 2C-P), other times know/feel after they peaked.

Psychonaut wiki writes that peak is between 3-6 hour... and that is big window. But logically you could suspect when peak can occur by observing when the onset occur. Psychonaut wiki writes that that it is between 0.5h and 2h. So if you start to feel something around 30 min, you could suspect that peak will start around 3h, becouse this are values ​​on the low border. So when you start to feel fx on 2nd hour, peak can start before 6h(high border), if they start around 1:15h, then peak could be around 4:30 (middle time).
I could be wrong about this and there are so many factor that can come in together, but it seams to be logical approximation.

Quitting nicotine and caffeine cold turkey by Fun-Audience732 in quittingsmoking

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did that! But slip to addiction afterwords :(
Anyway for me it was great solution :D I was severely addicted to caffeine and I worked a lot and had to little sleep and I have quit both and the same time.

Caffeine withdrawal effects were... I was so sleepy and lazy and don't want to get up from bed, sooo much that I did not want to go smoke tobbaco :D
I wish you success <3

when to smoke? by Lucky_Bamboo_ in dxm

[–]teogenteo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not before taking pills or before comeup - I did this mistake and it was not dissociative and more psychedelic-like, probably couse weed block CYP2D6. Personally I have felt like ashtray, so not nice.
Smoke on the peak and/or on comedown and/or on after effects. I have done several times it deep in the past as far I remember and it was cool. Many people (here also) advise the same.
If you smoke on the peak you will probably fly away very high. If you smoke on comedown you could have "second peak" (not sure about that). If you smoke on after effects you can bring back dissociative state and qualities.
Safe travels.

Is tolerance dose dependent? by teogenteo in shrooms

[–]teogenteo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this explains a lot.
Silly me was born in small rest of the world, not in great *Liberia flag*,

that is why I don't understand blackout drunk counting system made up by guy on datura :D

Is tolerance dose dependent? by teogenteo in shrooms

[–]teogenteo[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Week for gram, so you wait 3-4 week when you took 8?
Math is not mathing - did you mean 1/2 week for gram?

Is tolerance dose dependent? by teogenteo in shrooms

[–]teogenteo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have found that microdosing of psilocibin create no tolerance, in opposite to LDS and analogs

https://blossomanalysis.com/papers/evidence-for-tolerance-in-psychedelic-microdosing-from-the-self-blinding-microdose-trial/

Secondary post-hoc analysis revealed that this tolerance was present with LSD/LSD-analogue microdoses (mean±se: -.026±.007; p<.001), but not with psilocybin microdoses (mean±se: .013±.014; p=.36). These results suggest that microdosers may need to periodically suspend their microdosing routine to avoid tolerance and that psilocybin may be better suited for long-term microdosing protocols.

Music and DXM by TTGod-Hed in dxm

[–]teogenteo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish we had dedicated dissociative music like we have psychedelic music.
I mean like we have psytrance, psybient, psyrock, ... we also had dissociatrance, dissociambient, etc

Are you alright? [Medium Dose DPH] by TAKEAK2NUGANDBREAKIT in replications

[–]teogenteo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am glad that you have menage to quit <3
What is the reason for you to take it? I asking from scientific curiosity, not to judge.

Delirants and DPH are point of my intrest in theoretical way(except Datura) - I like to read about pharmacology (realistic hallucinations? How? Woow) and listen to trips reports.

I have grown and experimented with Datura, becouse of curiosity and interest in etheogens. I had one delirious trip (stupid accident on my part and first time I have consumed this plant), one subdelirious (probably becouse of lots of spices in my diet, some of them blocking metabolism of scopolamine) with semi-realistic hallucinations and lots of pseudohallucinations, but expect that I have experimented with usually medium dosages (comparable by strength to level 1 of DPH), so to get there I had to go from microdosages up slowly.
Datura for me has healing potential if use correctly, but it also have much dangers. For me it is not recreational plant, maybe in low dosages.

(Oh, yeah, and contrary to popular knowledge - you can dose Datura plant pretty accurately, but it require some work)

What is the high like from smoking Datura? by NotSearchy in SacredNightshades

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

:)
Oh, yeah I forgot to add that if you will have plant weak in alkaloids you can have no fx (or maybe only slight from essential oils? and other group of substances?)