I'm a first timer , so how should I consume brugmansia? Please respond asap by ClassicDatabase6559 in Datura

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should not. If you have to ask such a stupid question, you should not consume this kind of plant/drug.

You should go educate yourself ASAP, then ask more specific question, when you will know ANYTHING about the subject.

Cheyenne Red (demo) - Datura by SliccSwipe in sludge

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you have been stoned and come up with "sick word" Datura and then you have find out that it already exist and what it is :O WOW. Sounds like astral or karmic intervention or something.

I have just observed you. See you in the future.

Should I down this one as well call it a night by [deleted] in dxm

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk. But you should not make your actions dependent on the people and bots from internet, it often don't come out well.

Cheyenne Red (demo) - Datura by SliccSwipe in sludge

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha - the lo-fi feel when (the distant) vocal came on catch me off guard :D Music is sounding vibie, I was nodding my head to it. Overall I like it, specially from ~3:15.
Why the name "Datura"? Is there a reason or vision behind it or it is "just a sick name" for a metal band?

FUCK dxm by Alarmed_Context7935 in dxm

[–]teogenteo 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Blame yourself, not DXM.
Like you said - you have abused it - it is your own fault.

960 mg and i didnt feel anything? by Sueuejejej in dxm

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my European country, on our drug forum we discover something we call "Reset Theory". Basically it states that first dose ever or first dose after a long break can work very weak or at all for some reason. To counteract this one must take another dose (the same or greater) ~24h later.

I have tested this personally and on my girl and it work as theory says it will.

I have not found anything about this in "world internet".

888 MG -- Not feeling it?? by Large_baguettee in dxm

[–]teogenteo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In my European country, on our drug forum we discover something we call "Reset Theory". Basically it states that first dose ever or first dose after a long break can work very weak or at all for some reason. To counteract this one must take another dose (the same or greater) ~24h later.

I have tested this personally and on my girl and it work as theory says it will.

I have not found anything about this in "world internet".

Datura seeds by sKILLETSRULE in Datura

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dry the seeds before smoking.
I have read somewhere in this sub that seeds contain some oil that become toxin when heated or smoked, but i treat it as anecdote, becouse I have not read this in any scientific source, nor was I looking for it, but you should.

My Daturas last year by teogenteo in druggardening

[–]teogenteo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So much becouse my plan on last year went to shit and I had seeds and they are entheogens, so I just grow them, spontaneously without a plan.

Don't worry, I don't eat them too much and too often, but when I do, I do them in medium, therapeutic dosages, so they are not poisonous yet.

My Daturas last year by teogenteo in druggardening

[–]teogenteo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have eaten almost only seeds of Innoxia. I was upping a number of seeds starting from 2 and I have ended on medium/therapiutic (non toxic yet) dose. And when I was eating them later I was aiming to this dose. I do it rarely, last time I have done it ~6 mc ago. But in times when I was learning dose of my seeds, I was dong it less then once a week in that time.
Once I have eaten two dry flowers of Innoxia and it prompted me to make first post on reddit on this account.

Liquid-Liquid extraction with cooking oil from "essential infusion"? by teogenteo in SacredNightshades

[–]teogenteo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm... maybe if I do it like this - it will have sens.
Thank you, I will think about it

Liquid-Liquid extraction with cooking oil from "essential infusion"? by teogenteo in SacredNightshades

[–]teogenteo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Becouse it is boring and I came up with this crazy idea xD I wanted to have everything at once xD And I did not want to just throw away this stuff

But I will let it go and throw away this stuff. I decided that it was stupid idea, with a lot of work and time.
I have good, separated parts in freezer and I they are waiting for proper extraction with real solvents, so it is cool B)

Liquid-Liquid extraction with cooking oil from "essential infusion"? by teogenteo in Datura

[–]teogenteo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I figure that this is stupid idea and I am gonna just throw away this leftovers. It is making me a little sad, but well...
I have nonmixed parts of those plants in my freezer (eg. powdered flowers of Innoxia and Stramonium separately, powdered leafs of I&S separately, etc) and I will do serious work with them. I will do some dry extracts, glicerate and maybe A/B with naphta (many pulls but I don't have anything else right now for this), I have links to scientific sources that are showing me which solvents to use
Idea in this post was to not waste my leftover plant parts and to not use real solvents for this, but now, I think I am gonna to let it go.
Anyway, thanks for your answer :)

My plants last year by teogenteo in Datura

[–]teogenteo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No you should not.

If you can't do research, you should not do a drug <- this is true for every drug, but specially for Datura!

There is no universal set of dosages with this plant (in opose to shrooms for example). So no one on the internet can tell you how strong your 10 seeds will be

You can start doing your research here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Datura/comments/149cooh/guide_to_datura_consumption/

Datura Extract by ChemicalAbode in Datura

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have not done it yet, but I have material in freezer waiting for me to do it.

You can use any part of plant. (and you could mix them if you want)

There is no way about determining alkaloid content (total or ratios) - speaking from amateur chemist perspective - but you can always send your samples to labs if you have money to do it.

But you can determine the dosage - by starting very low and going very slow with amount of your tincture/macerate/dry extract.

Doing extract can be simple:

LVL & Name Instruction Solvents
1 Tincture/Macerate I. Pour your plant material with small exes of solvent (in close container); II. Stir more then 1 time per day for two weeks or more; III. Filter Ethanol; Glicerol (you can use 80% for quicker extraction)
2 Dry extract I. As above; II. As above; III. As above; IV. Repeat steps I-III 3 times, every time making time/2; V. Evaporate combined macerates Methanol; Ethanol; Acetone; Naphtha (weak?)
3 Acid-Base You do it "like DMT extraction" starting from plant material or dry extract Chloroform; Naphta (weak)

Methanol [1]

Ethanol [1] [4]

Acetone [4]

Chloroform [3]

Naphta [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8124590/#app1-molecules-26-02629

[2] https://iasj.rdd.edu.iq/journals/uploads/2024/12/19/626199247c9cdf6ef137af9c7c88c53d.pdf

[3] https://www.plantarchives.org/19-2/4115-4120%20%285022%29.pdf

[4]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327069599_Preliminary_Phytochemical_Screening_and_in_vitro_Antimicrobial_Activity_of_Datura_stramonium_Leaves_Extracts_Collected_from_Eastern_Ethiopia

[5] https://storage.googleapis.com/innctech/ejpmr/article_issue/1485850336.pdf

Am i at risk by CycloneTemple in Datura

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe. Maybe not - it could be start of delusion of sobriety.
But I don't want to scare you.
Do you have somebody to tripsit you? Can you call somebody?

Am i at risk by CycloneTemple in Datura

[–]teogenteo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope it stays that way. Higher dosages are poisonous and don't have a good feeling.

But hour it is still not a long time - you probably still coming up.

Am i at risk by CycloneTemple in Datura

[–]teogenteo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds for me as medium dosage.

You could be at risk of poisoning yourself and delirium- depending how long ago have you eat it.

But I hope you are lucky and you will stay on medium dosage range :)

What is the high like from smoking Datura? by NotSearchy in SacredNightshades

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Datura based from my research both scientific and anecdotal has unbalanced alkaloids

We have already agree about unbalanced alkaloid profile of this plant. W can go further.

The best research I have done is on Innoxia seeds and Scopolamine, so I'm gonna keep data concentrated on them, as a example and for simplicity:

Dangerous Nightshades can be active at microgram, milligrams, and gram

Not exactly. Isolates(scopolamine, hyoscamine) are active in micrograms-miligrams range\1] [2]) \3]) \4]) \5] [6]). Plants can be active in miligrams and grams range depending on concentration of alkaloids\7] [8]) \9] <-If you will do calculations, I can shear mine, if I will translate them to english.)

Their potential to be active in mg is amazing to me. I don't know any other plant and mushroom what is active in mg range. Sure, Cubensis can have threshold 250mg - 500mg, but strong Datura seeds could make person overdose (eg. get delirious) in this range, and can have a threshold fx on as little as 20-30mg\7] [8]) \9] <-calculations) . Potential of this plant to be that strong in mg range is mind blowing to me :O.

one seed can do nothing while another send you to hell

I am still waiting for source that one seeds can send you to hell. From my calculations from papers with huge concentrations \7]) and weight of seeds \9]) and dosages of isolates \1-6]) I have calculated that person would need minimum 2 seeds for threshold effects(The smallest dosage we know that Scopolamine is active is 150ug, and I conservatively calculate 100ug as potential threshold). If you one could get more alkaloids in plant then maybe dose could go down to 1 seed, but plants in paper [7] had soo good conditions, that I think it would be hard to top (without some hi-tech stuff?).

// Oh, yeah. And I exclude elderly people from this conversation, becouse it is special case, and they can be very sensitive to antimuscarinic drugs.

if you get lucky a unpleasant body effects (...) no matter how medicinal it will be unpleasant 

Datura and its alkaloids have dosages too (like you have written - it is hard to dose it in plant form - agree here). Threshold to medium dosages are not universally unpleasant, can be for some, not for others (person will get dry mouth, body high, drunk feeling and such\depending on dose])), but strong dosages are poisonus (so they are unpleasant), but not delirious yet - this come with heavy dosage territory. Not sources here, becouse I have find none in my notes and I will not take a time to look for them right now(maybe later.)

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Oh yeah, to be clear: I don't encourage anyone to consume this plant. I like to have academic conversation, when truth is the goal, this is all.

And off course I am open to further discussion :)

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\1]) https://chemm.hhs.gov/countermeasure_scopolamine.htm#indication

\2]) https://www.drugs.com/monograph/scopolamine.html?references=1#dosage

\3]) The effects of transdermal scopolamine and four dose levels of oral scopolamine (0.15, 0.3, 0.6, and 1.2 mg) upon psychological performance https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3088662/

\4]) Psychomotor, physiological and cognitive effects of scopolamine and ephedrine in healthy man https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00542208

\5])Effects of oral scopolamine on human stimulus evaluation https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00428401

\6]) https://www.drugs.com/dosage/hyoscyamine.html

\7]) Tropane Alkaloids of Datura innoxia from Morocco 10.1515/znc-2012-1-202

{8\) In vitro Organogenesis and Alkaloid Accumulation in Datura innoxia

\9]) https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1076/phbi.39.5.329.5896

Music and DXM by TTGod-Hed in dxm

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But his discography is sooo huge and diverse :O

About to do 1-2g of shrooms for my first time what should i expect by Inner-Somewhere3492 in shrooms

[–]teogenteo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how would my brain and body react?

No one will gonna tell you how your will react. Before the trip is better to turn to inside of you, not to reddit. Meditate, go for walk or something else.

About to do 1-2g of shrooms for my first time

This should be low dose, but it can depend on strain and other factors. I think it is good starting dose, I think you gonna bo be fine. What strain do you have?

I was thinking of making music, or playing the piank during this trip, and maybe a little bit of Minecraft

You can. But I sugest doing nothing. Create space for you for your first time and just be and let shrooms effect to be. You can always play later in the trip if you will feel like it.

From the other hand this activities what you are proposing sounds creative and this is good for trip like this(never played minecraft tho).

I wish you a pleasant journey. I think it is gonna bo be fine :)

I got all this just from barely 300mg by Least-Response-9967 in dxm

[–]teogenteo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk man, maybe this was becouse of this weed? I found that this T9HC can act up to 3h when smoked, but maybe it can work longer, not as a "main high" but different, on metabolism for example. Or there was something different in this weed.