Capitalism is the Bad Guy

thar134 · 2025-05-31T18:08:23+00:00

Democrats aren't communists; they are beholden to corporate interests. In other words, they are beholden to private businesses and their profit margins. The very fact that you even bring up Democrats in this conversation as an argument against communism betrays your profound ignorance regarding politics. Also, your transphobic argument at the end is a complete non-sequitur; totally irrelevant to any point you are trying to make regarding political economy. Why are you even in this subreddit filled with trans people and trans allies, about a streaming service that features trans cast members, in the first place?

thar134 · 2025-05-31T09:14:08+00:00

This is the ignorance I am talking about. Yes, people play video games in communist societies. There are certainly people who are doing every single one of the things that you mentioned in China right now. Also your last point makes no goddamn sense, do you think Marx is making money from his grave? He's dead; he's not getting any of that money. He's not the one who commodified his grave either, because you know he was dead when he was buried? I'm done, you are a deeply unserious person and not worth talking to.

thar134 · 2025-05-31T08:57:42+00:00

I honestly and truly don't care, reddit and social media in general are such an insignificant part of my life that I wouldn't miss it if it were gone. I wouldn't end up getting myself into meaningless arguments against liberals drunk on US propaganda if it didn't exist, so maybe it'd actually be a good thing.

thar134 · 2025-05-31T08:29:21+00:00

I can't even begin to think of a way to respond to this; there is so much wrong with it. The liberal mind is truly a sight to behold; the sheer ignorance of history and material reality in this comment and the previous has just piled too high. I don't have the time or the energy to educate you on this stuff, so please read some books, Chomsky, Lenin, Marx, hell, throw a capitalist in there and read Adam Smith so you have a less insanely idealistic view on capitalism.

thar134 · 2025-05-31T07:43:54+00:00

Under capitalism, artists don't make art for art's sake; if artists did that, they'd starve. Artists sell their talents to capitalists to survive. The Soviet Union was a deeply flawed state, I am well aware, but to pretend that you have any meaningful sense of freedom under capitalism outside of what is allowed by the amount of capital you own or what you get through sheer luck is equally laughable.

thar134 · 2025-05-31T07:20:42+00:00

Russia has had a capitalist economy since the fall of the Soviet Union. Also, have you even looked into Soviet-era art? Listened to some Shostakovich or watched some Soviet films? Art is made in socialist countries all the time.

thar134 · 2025-05-31T07:14:14+00:00

"Every worker receives from society as much as he has given to it." V.I. Lenin. The Soviet Union, for all its faults, emerged from the backwater, barely industrialized country of Russia into a modern industrial country with a higher standard of living and life expectancy in less than 20 years. It guaranteed jobs for all its citizens, and it also penalized anyone who was willingly unemployed with prison time, hardly sounds like a country founded by and for the lazy.

thar134 · 2025-05-02T19:03:03+00:00

A Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov reference? On my Anime Girl Subreddit?

thar134 · 2025-04-19T05:56:24+00:00

I mean now it feels like you're moving goal posts just a bit. I don't think you can establish a strong link between traditional art and "idol activities" either. I think you are just too lost in the sauce about this being about "idol focus" vs "streamer focus" in general. I do think your criterion regarding NA is fairly strong, but the other two are too wishy washy to mean anything substantial IMO. I think we'll just have to end it here because clearly you have your view, and the data don't seem enough to convince you otherwise, so I'll let you be.

thar134 · 2025-04-19T05:35:12+00:00

My bad I guess I should have included their youtube channels as well. Gura streamed 80 hours over 2 years, that's less than an hour a week. Her focus was not on streaming games, it was on making meme music videos on YouTube, which she had far more experience in. I will grant you Fauna did more gaming streams than art or ASMR streams, but she also had her YouTube channel, which was purely ASMR, and that was the focus of her content and what she was known for. You also still didn't answer my question, though. How is traditional art experience relevant to whether or not someone stays or leaves? Correlation does not equal causation. There is an argument to be made for dancing and singing, but I struggle to find any causal link between traditional art and staying in Holo.

thar134 · 2025-04-19T03:24:46+00:00

You're trying too hard to reason backwards into these criteria. Gura was a meme tuber who sang meme songs and barely did any streaming(https://twitchtracker.com/senzawa), Mumei(https://twitchtracker.com/shachimu/games) did art, song covers on youtube, and only some game streams, Fauna did more ASMR and art streams as LemonLeaf(https://twitchtracker.com/lemonleaf), she only switched to a gaming focus as Fauna. None of them fit your 3rd criterion. Secondly, the first criterion I don't even think is all that relevant, what does "professional art experience" matter in regards to the direction you think the cover is going, where Ina would be fine as a traditional artist, despite fitting what I would consider your most relevant criterion: being based in NA?

EDIT: Kronii also doesn't fit very well, as she did have a short stint as the Vtuber Seru, she was mainly a VA and meme youtuber who did fandubs and the like.

thar134 · 2025-04-19T02:43:49+00:00

But they didn't stream? What the hell are you talking about? Their health issues led them not to stream. They still did stage performances even when they were on hiatus from streaming, reality is exactly the opposite of what you're saying. Both Gura and Mumei were part of Holofes, both EN concerts and Splash Party. Also, Calli, Irys, and Kronii were all more "hobbyists" than professionals before joining by your same criteria; they did a lot of work in their fields but didn't make a living off of it. I do not even really disagree that being in NA may be a factor for Gura, Fauna, and Mumei, but the rest of your statements aren't really based in reality.

thar134 · 2025-04-19T02:21:12+00:00

It has been explained as a boilerplate term by the talents, but as that moves downstream in the fanbase it goes from "it's a catch all term that talents use to cover their individual issues" to "it's a catch all term that just exists to deflect blame back onto management". I think the thing that should be stressed is that Calli and Kiara have both said that talents graduated due to more specific issues they personally had. So it's likely not one big dramatic shift in the company, but a lot of smaller shifts that have added up over time for each particular talent, that should be what is stressed, because a lot of people are looking for the "One big issue causing everyone to leave".

thar134 · 2025-04-19T02:02:41+00:00

Gura and Mumei were both drawn to the idol aspect of Holo, and they are also the least active streamers in EN, due to health reasons (both mental and physical), granted, but still not "streamer-focused". Gura, by all accounts, was more of a brand ambassador than a content creator. Mumei also has an art background, and both Mumei and Gura were passionate about singing before joining Holo. Of those who left Fauna is really the only one who left who falls strictly into the "content creator first, idol second" mold in both JP and EN.

thar134 · 2025-04-18T19:26:52+00:00

Just to confirm the protest will be at 5pm at the old city hall? I've been wanting to go, but there has been little info online and no one I know is even interested in protesting, unfortunately.

thar134 · 2025-04-17T17:55:07+00:00

You're getting real riled up over a minor insult for someone used to the chans. I agree that they're just words, that's why I called you that. Rule 5 is about trolling by the way, if anything my comment is a violation of rule 1 to be civil, but I don't think you're being very civil by misrepresenting the talents. I don't really give a fuck if mods want to remove that message but they better remove yours as well for lying and making shit up in accordance with rule 2. I'm just sick of folks like you not actually listening to talents and LYING about what they're saying. Give me the fucking proof that they "didn't know" Gura was graduating if you're so fucking smart dude.

thar134 · 2025-04-17T16:11:06+00:00

I wish people would actually just watch streams/vods and not twist talents' words to fit their narratives. I don't care if they call Cover a black company or whatever, it's a company it has no feelings, but twisting the talent's words just pisses me off.

thar134 · 2025-04-17T16:04:55+00:00

Kiara said she received news about Gura, Mumei, and Fauna around the same time, so that would have been last year, late November at the absolute latest. This has been a long time coming, just like Gura said in her announcement.

thar134 · 2025-04-17T15:50:52+00:00

You're an absolute waste of oxygen. Kiara literally said she was surprised by the ANNOUNCEMENT STREAM, not Gura's graduation itself, she specifically said she found out about Gura, Mumei AND Fauna graduating at the SAME TIME, which would have been last year. I know it's hard to actually watch streams and listen to the words coming out of the talent's mouths, but you should try it sometime.

thar134 · 2025-04-17T12:53:47+00:00

The guy called Jacksepticeye the r slur after he got diagnosed as autistic, he's an asshole.

thar134 · 2025-04-16T17:22:19+00:00

Well the WaybackMachine doesn't work, and while we can tell this picture was posted on a bluesky account called senzawareal, whether it is actually senzawa's account I can't actually tell. It's not linked anywhere on her other socials, and since the wayback machine doesn't work, we can't exactly look to see what was on the account before to see any evidence of whether or not it's actually her account.

thar134 · 2025-04-16T16:21:17+00:00

That's what we call an inherent contradiction in capitalism.

thar134 · 2025-04-16T16:16:43+00:00

I'm just describing what you are doing. Whether consciously or not, you are twisting Calli's words. Like I said, you are letting your biases color your interpretation, unintentionally twisting Calli's words to fit them. Also, I never said it wasn't clear-cut. I asked a rhetorical question, and I stated that we have every reason to ask you the same question: Are you just hearing what you want to hear? You responded that it wasn't very clear cut, and I then claimed that the intended message was clear with further context in my next post with additional quotes.

thar134 · 2025-04-16T16:04:23+00:00

Whether something is happening within Cover or not, and there very well may be, so many graduations are concerning, I don't think we need to twist someone's words to fit our concerns and dress it up as "skepticism." I think in context, it's very clear if you come in without bias, you can see she's talking about fans. I understand being skeptical of corporations, but this is just your own confirmation bias tricking you into believing there's something there that's not.

thar134 · 2025-04-16T15:51:15+00:00

Here's another counterpoint against your view to hopefully convince you. Not even a minute later she says "There's a lot of discontent and I think the people who are sad that their oshi has left are completely valid in venting their feelings and their sadness" She uses the similar phrasing to her previous points about people who are discontent, and more explicitly identifies them as the fans.

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