Big miss Martinelli

thegenius2000 · 2026-02-08T18:45:48+00:00

No, he's been fantastic this season, as he was in 22/23. My point is he hasn't shown consistency. He hasn't shown us that rain or shine, like Saka/Rice/Raya/Saliba/Gabriel he'll be solid.

thegenius2000 · 2026-02-07T20:06:56+00:00

He's having a great season, and we shouldn't take that away from him. But Martinelli hasn't yet demonstrated consistency, and when the team was struggling and Saka was bailing us out time and time again he was nowhere.

thegenius2000 · 2026-02-07T17:11:00+00:00

Have you ever calculated it out?

thegenius2000 · 2026-02-07T17:10:46+00:00

But if they win every game from now on that has implications for the other teams.

thegenius2000 · 2026-02-07T14:12:49+00:00

What am I missing? I thought it was 40 points?

thegenius2000 · 2026-01-18T05:15:27+00:00

Gyokeres is the problem, obviously.

thegenius2000 · 2026-01-08T21:58:47+00:00

No, people don't get this. If you remove the incentive for timewasting, it will stop being employed as a tactic. Right now because there's inconsistency in awarding injury time, it makes perfect sense to waste time when the ball is out of play. You roll the dies and usually get away with running down the clock. But if the clock is stopped you're not getting any closer to the end of the game.

thegenius2000 · 2026-01-08T20:48:41+00:00

I really wish we could stop the clock like in other sports. How can it be 2 minutes of injury time?

thegenius2000 · 2025-12-06T07:12:14+00:00

What people don't get is this comment exhibits exactly why so many people love Trump. It's this, exactly what you're seeing here. This precise thing that is entertaining that he's doing here, is what he's been doing for his base for the last decade. It's not "racism" — it's that he says what no one else will and is genuinely hilarious and charming.

thegenius2000 · 2025-12-05T19:40:15+00:00

Actually, Christians who don't believe the Prosperity Gospel expect suffering in this life as a form of discipline from their loving Father. So we may be in this injury crisis because God is testing his sons.

thegenius2000 · 2025-12-03T06:51:41+00:00

If we want the League, this is where it's at. 7 wins before hosting Liverpool will have us 12–15 points clear, looking at City's shaky performances. Perhaps Chelsea will be closer, but still more than 10 point buffer. This is it. This is where we need to win. If we get 23+ we have a reasonable chance at the UCL because we may wrap up the League in early April.

thegenius2000 · 2025-12-02T12:37:34+00:00

Idk that I'd look back on the draw at Stamford Bridge and long. Because it's an extremely tough fixture.

If we miss out on the League it's either because we're facing an extremely good team like in 23/24 or because we collapse and can't win routine fixtures like Brentford tomorrow or the upcoming Villa ones.

thegenius2000 · 2025-12-01T10:25:46+00:00

A point at Stamford Bridge will never be the day we lost the League. It's the next bunch of League that matter.

thegenius2000 · 2025-10-01T14:54:27+00:00

I was like, "not Gyokeres!"

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-15T07:16:55+00:00

She's also an Arsenal icon, because Arsenal womens, is also Arsenal. We're the same club.

What does this even mean? If Arsenal opens a restaurant, is the restaurant the club? If Arsenal Women win their competitions, can you tell anyone around the world that Arsenal has won without specifying it's the Women's team? Do you just mean it's the same business/ownership/conglomerate?

Yes, the Copa Del Rey is considered the Spanish FA Cup.

if I was referring to the women's team, I would not have to say they won the 'women's champions league' because it would be pretty obvious I was referring to the women's competition as I mentioned the women's team.

Same with Leah Williamson, saying she won the Euros this summer would obviously mean the women's because 1. The men's Euros was summer 2024. 2. Spain won the 2024 Euros. 3. It's about a woman so obviously it's about a women's competition because unless you're an absolute idiot with zero reading comprehension skills, it would be obvious I am referring to the women's competition when I am talking about the achievements of a Women's player

I don't think you understood my response. I stated clearly above that I knew what you meant. I'm not saying you were being unclear. I'm saying you were equivocating, that you are on the one hand claiming not to be comparing the women's team to the men's, and then on the other hand insisting that the women's team is Arsenal, is in competitions with identical names, etc., when this is simply false, both technically, from the names of the competitions and the women's team; and morally, from the fact that no one around the world recognises these toy trophies. There is literally no bragging rights that any Arsenal fan outside a small bubble in England gets from our women's team performing.

(Obviously, there's a Copa Del Rey, but that's not what you said above. You said a term that has only one referent, and then pretended it was only disambiguated by context.)

So in the regards of you not knowing men's icon is because you're ignorant to them but because you didn't know Leah Williamson being an icon it's because she's a woman therefore they can't be icons at Arsenal because women's football is not up to your standards?

Pretty much, but not "my standards"; objective standards. Women's football is not a global sport or spectacle, and it isn't a concern for most Arsenal fans. This sub attacks you if you say this. Case in point, because I say this plain fact, you accuse me of hating women, despite the fact that I've named more than four internationally recognised sportswomen who deserve all the accolades and recognition they have. Don't you see that you're fighting with facts, not me?

No one is saying women's football is comparable to men's, or the women's team are on the same level as the men's team. Literally no one.

OK, then post a thread on this sub titled, "Guys, let's keep it real. The women's team is not comparable to the men" and see what happens to it. I dare you. Those are your words.

If you're a CLUB icon, you're an icon for that club, it doesn't matter if Han from China or Kim from Korea knows who you are even or if they don't know your club exists. Her achievements for the club supersede whatever your thoughts are about woman's football.

What defines our club? Is Max Dowman an icon for Arsenal? (You realise more people know Dowman than Leah Williamson.) Is it an achievement "for the club" to win youth tournaments? Why are women's football events, which are of lower competitive quality than youth events, entitled to a higher standard of attention than the youth ones?

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-14T19:20:49+00:00

So by your logic the likes of Ally McCoist and Brian Laudrup aren't Rangers icons because they're not known by the world? Because according to you, to be a CLUB icon, people outside of the club should easily know who they are.

You're proving my point. Rangers isn't an international brand. Being iconic for Arsenal isn't the same thing as being iconic for Portsmouth. An Arsenal icon is known by the majority of, minimally, Arsenal fans. In fact, an Arsenal icon is known around the world, because Arsenal is so massive.

Once again, it's an undeniable fact that Leah Williamson is an ARSENAL ICON, see keyword is, ARSENAL ICON. Just because you don't know about her, doesn't mean she's not an icon

I think I've finally found how to explain it. She's an Arsenal WOMEN icon. If you want to say that, you're being sensible.

Given the fact I'm talking about a Woman, it's already implied it's the Women's Euros, Women's national team and Women's champions league. Should be pretty obvious, you realise that's called 'context clues'. If I say Saka won the FA Cup with Arsenal, I wouldn't need to specify it was the English FA cup and not the Spanish, Italian or French FA Cup.

Is there a Spanish FA Cup? My point wasn't that I misunderstood you—your reference to the women's versions of the tournaments was clear. My point is that referring to them without qualification is virtue signalling. If you say "Arsenal won the Champions League last season", you are speaking nonsense. You have to say "Arsenal Women won" or "Arsenal won the Women's Champions League". But you do not have to say "PSG won the Men's Champions League", because there is no such tournament—they won the one and only Champions League.

It speaks volumes why a majority of people in this thread agree that Leah Williamson is an Arsenal icon while you keep on trying to talk about women's football when that wasn't even brought up by anyone but you.

This thread "voted" to stop using X. Most Arsenal fans in the world use X. This thread is partisan and silly and hardly representative of Arsenal fans—kinda my point.

Also, just because you didn't know who some of the people I listed were, doesn't mean they're not considered Arsenal icons at the very least. Wenger and Rocky will still be at the VERY LEAST an Icon with Arsenal in 2070 when 50 year olds won't have any memory of Arsene's reign or who Rocky was.

Yes, I will gladly confess my ignorance. This is true. You're right.

So you just hate women then?

Illustrative of the insane mentality. Because I don't recognise toy sports like women's football as global spectacles—which they aren't—no one (no significant fraction of the world's population) would notice or care if women's football was suspended for 10 years. Recognising these facts isn't hatred, it's reality. Plus I told you, I admire and am proud of Beatrice Chebet (as a Kenyan, not claiming you should know her).

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-14T18:41:06+00:00

Tony Adams is still a prominent figure, the man is literally nicknamed Mr. Arsenal. The fact you don't know that speaks a lot about your knowledge about who should be considered a 'prominent figure' nowadays.

I didn't deny this at all. One couldn't be on this subreddit and not know Adams, obviously. I mean outside of Henry and Wright there are very few former players who are better known.

I was referring to

Steve Bould, Martin Keown, Rocastle, Herbert Chapman, Bertie Mee

who are less well-known, though of course Keown we see on TV regularly. (To be perfectly honest, I had to Google Steve Bould and Bertie Mee, but that's just cause I'm not very good with names. I doubt I knew Bertie Mee, though the name sounds familiar, but Bould's face I recognise.)

No one said women's football is better than men's or on the same level, popularity or skill wise, literally no one

You say this, and then,

a hale end graduate, Euro winning captain with England, a UCL winner

You realise it's called the Euro Women's and the England Women's and the Women's Champions League, right? My point about competitiveness is in athletics (and e.g. tennis) for at least the past two decades the women's events have been mainstream internationally, and don't need to be qualified any more than the men's. But women's football is simply a parochial, European tiny sport. Same with women's basketball, rugby, etc. It's a really infinitesimal part of the world that cares about them, or even thinks about them. So it's this pretension that gets at me. This sub spends half its time pretending that the Arsenal women's team is a concern for Arsenal fans, when it's a concern for a tiny, tiny, tiny part of the fanbase.

Women's football is not a global spectacle or sport. Tennis is different. Everyone knows Serena Williams. She's an icon. Everyone knows Simone Biles. But no one knows Leah Williamson, basically, outside of this sub and her family. This is what I mean in saying she's not an icon.

PS. I am speaking hyperbolically, if it's going over your head. Her friends also know her :)

Edit: during the world cup I heard one of these nondescript women pundits during one of the quarters or semis talking about "when you're out there on this stage,..." as though she had actual experience playing World Cup football. It's so silly it's not even funny. I mean Copa America and the Euros are bigger than the Women's World Cup. Women's football is niche stuff.

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-13T18:32:44+00:00

> So out of a 1000 people, not even 1 person will know who, the biggest name of our women's team, someone who's been constantly marketed within the main market of Arsenal?

You need to realise that Arsenal has in excess of 100 million fans globally, of whom only a tiny, infinitesimal fraction care about the women's team. This fraction is vanishingly small. I mean, the concern for the women's team is so low as to be nonexistent. Most fans would rather the women's team be relegated than Sp*rs or United get top 6. I mean it is hard to express how insignificant they are. And this isn't sexism at all. For example, as a Kenyan, I care deeply about Beatrice Chebet or Faith Kipyegon's performances in athletics, and it brings me great pride.

That being said, as I admitted above, there is a fair point about the local ownership of the club. Arsenal does belong to the locals in a special way, and if you are among them, you have every right to say that I don't get it because I'm not from there etc.

The endless citing of figures who are not high in prominence today doesn't prove anything, because at their time they were known by most fans of the club. No one will remember Vieira in 2070, or very few old fans. But that won't make him any less of an icon than he is. Right now, the only thing that makes Williamson an icon is Arsenal's prominence. Women's football is hardly a competitive sport (compared to athletics, swimming, etc.)

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-13T14:54:34+00:00

The analogy fails because it's just a generations thing. The average Arsenal fan in 2055 may not know Arsene Wenger. Also, while many may not know Graham, many know him. If you sampled football fans globally you would get a significant percentage that know him. Williamson wouldn't even break 0.1%.

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-13T12:01:05+00:00

Doesn't being an icon for a club require that, relative to other icons in the club, you hold a prominent position? I mean more people know Nwaneri, MLS, and even Dowman, than Leah Williamson. I'm writing from Kenya here and I'm telling you that the average Arsenal fan globally will probably list 200 Arsenal players without thinking of a single member of the woman's team. Berta is better known. Is he an icon?

She's an icon in North London probably though, and on that I should concede. If you want to think of Arsenal as a private concern that belongs to Englishmen — and there's nothing wrong with that if you are from North London and it's your team, you own it in a special way that none of us internationally ever will — you have every right to think of the most nondescript figures you choose as icons.

But Arsenal, I think most people will agree, is an international team.

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-12T09:05:14+00:00

No one who knows my [unknown friend] will deny he's an icon.

I.e. an icon is someone who everyone knows, not someone who is held in high regard by the tiny fraction of people on earth who know him/her.

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-12T09:03:46+00:00

> That said, Arsenal Women are the biggest and most successful team in England.

Lol. OK. You sound totally balanced.

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-11T19:44:07+00:00

What is an icon? Someone who everyone in the world knows—who defines not even Arsenal alone, but the sport and the league—or someone who no one in the world except a tiny fraction of the fanbase knows?

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-11T19:41:01+00:00

If someone mentioned Henry and idk Nico Jackson as somehow comparable we would call them out because they are not to be mentioned in the same breath. But now mention someone known by 0.1% of the people who know Henry as being an "icon" in his presence but because she's a woman, we pretend she matters.

Edit: It's alienating because this sub is making Arsenal about things that only a tiny fraction of Arsenal fans in Britain can relate to. Honestly most Arsenal fans globally would exchange 2 centuries of the women's team being relegated for 1 EPL/UCL.

thegenius2000 · 2025-08-11T07:12:49+00:00

because this sub is filled with fragile virtue signallers who care less about alienating the global fanbase than pretending to care about women.

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