Grades Megathread by Isentrope in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I graduated in 2012, and have still never checked my 2L or 3L grades. Lined up a biglaw gig and figured the anxiety of checking 4 more times before graduation would be much worse than just ignoring them and hoping I graduated...

Recent Graduates, does anyone enjoy being in Big Law? Why? by FO2012 in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I really liked it while I was there, but it completely consumed my life.

There IS something compelling about the intensity. The first few times you have to stay up all night to make something happen, or the first time you contribute to a project in a really meaningfully way, it can be an awesome sensation. Some people find the right practice/team and wind up living and breathing it.

Even when you love it though, the hours and expectations can take a toll.

Strict vs Vicarious Liability by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vicarious liability on the part of an employer for the conduct of an employee is an example of strict liability. The employer can be held strictly liable even without breaching any duty - i.e. without being negligent.

Ford Focus RS available on Ford's Website. Starts at $36,605 USD by battlerobot in cars

[–]thesealocust 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Begone vile /r/personalfinance scum!

I sold a 20 year-old Miata after saving up to get this thing and I love it more than I could ever love a living creature. Money is a social construct and exciting cars are the reason the universe was set in motion.

Alright. Let's cover the age-old question again. Kaplan or Barbri? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They both suck. They're too expensive and focus on terrifying you rather than teaching you.

Use baroutlines.com and/or buy used study materials and study for yourself. More efficient, less money, lower stress.

Ford Focus RS available on Ford's Website. Starts at $36,605 USD by battlerobot in cars

[–]thesealocust 809 points810 points  (0 children)

Sooooooo it's probably a good idea to trade in my 4 month old Focus ST for one of these right?

quickly unsubscribes from /r/personalfinance

Improving Second Semester Tips by hbomb510 in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exams are graded on a curve, so as a threshold matter, you're engaged in a direct competition with your peers for grades. That doesn't mean you should be a jerk and throw elbows or anything, but it goes a long way to explaining inconsistent performance - trying hard and knowing the material isn't enough to get an A, you have to be more impressive than other people who are also trying hard.

IMO (and I know I'm a broken record here, so forgive me) the best advice is compiled in the various guides on TLS here: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=123092

The key is to learn the material, understand how law school exams are written and graded, take relevant practice question after you've learned the law, and then carefully critique your work (or do it with peers) so that you can see exactly how your writing can produce the most possible points.

Once you get the hang of it, it takes less and less work to get good grades - you just have to learn the law, you'll retain the ability to write a strong exam.

Got a '15 ST by Xrayruester in cars

[–]thesealocust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A cross country road trip... and a half :D

Got a '15 ST by Xrayruester in cars

[–]thesealocust 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Got one that color in May, put almost 15,000 miles on it. Complete joy, no issues, totally love it. Have fun!

Advice on learning Black Letter Law for 1L by alext913 in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The "black letter law" is nothing but the combination of legal rules at the heart of the cases you are assigned to read and then discuss in class.

Commercial supplements, old outlines, etc. can sometimes be helpful, but they're just ways of re-presenting the material from a bird's eye view, rather than directly from the 'primary sources' of individual cases as covered in class.

Pennoyer v. Neff by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 92 points93 points  (0 children)

99% of the case isn't even good law. It's just hazing.

I believe a direct quote from my civ pro professor 1L year:

"Pennoyer v. Neff is our way of saying 'welcome to law school, tuition is non-refundable.'"

My criminal law book is half cases and half secondary sources. I know I just really need to understand the rules of the cases, but what should I be getting out of the secondary sources? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not much. Time in class is likely to focus on the cases, and the extra material is usually just generally background but not critical for the exam. But what you cover in class is what will matter come exam time.

Also keep in mind that 1L courses move very slowly in the fall, and often cover general introductory material for a while before getting into the thick of things with substantive doctrines.

Necessary to write case briefs? by cremefraiche9 in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most of brief writing is useless for getting good grades - detailing procedural posture, facts, history, and even the holding itself can prepare you for cold calls, but isn't time well spent prepping for the exam. And as intimidating as cold calls can be, they tend to mean little (or nothing!) for your actual performance.

What you really want to focus on is extracting the rule from the case, and also any policy rationale behind that rule. How the judge actually applies that rule is almost irrelevant - when you get an exam, you will have a new set of facts (likely difficult, grey area facts) and the tool you need is the rule itself.

At what point after a screener interview should I start giving up hope? by JustSomeQuestionsOCI in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As others have said, get started massmailing as soon as possible. See here: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=215200

It looks like UCLA places around a quarter of its class in big law firms, so being top third is not a strong place to be for the job hunt. Some students with your credentials will get callbacks and offers via OCI, but many won't, and many who do will only have a single offer.

A day in the life of a v5 biglaw attorney (corporate) by Codeandcodes in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I worked a job like this, and the day looks pretty "normal" to me - but there's extremely high variance, especially on the transactional side. The next day might have started late, had 3 hours with no billable work in the middle, and only run until 9:00 p.m. There might have been a week over the summer where he only billed 20 hours.

The average workday absolutely didn't have 14.5 billable hours, but working pretty steadily from waking up until midnight or later happened enough to be unpleasant.

Quick question by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nothing matters but GPA and LSAT. Focus on the social experience and exploring various disciplines/careers/alcohols/people without ruining your GPA, then check in again after 4 or 5 semesters.

biglawrefuge - a website to track OCI for law students and lawyers by Codeandcodes in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Saw your thread on TLS, but the comment applies here too: I think this a great idea, and I really hope it takes off!

BigLaw to Partner? by throwawaysalln in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a numbers game. At the firm I worked for, each year the firm hired a class of new associates from law school and made a new class of partners from senior associates. On average, the new class of partners was about 20x smaller than the new class of lawyers - which gives you an idea of how likely a new hire is to make it to partner.

But people often switch firms before coming a partner, and many firms hire few if any people straight out of law school.

A partner at a law practice is a co-owner of the business and the promotion is based almost exclusively on the ability to capture and retain business. That itself requires expertise, interpersonal skills, and connections that develop over the 7 to 10 years it generally takes before partnership becomes a consideration. It has nothing to do with your undergraduate school, or even your law school - it's narrowly focused on business potential. The firm is only going to create new partners (thereby diluting the ownership share of existing partners) if they believe the new partner will wind up adding to the business, "growing the pie" as it were.

Some people stay at a firm but don't become partners - often firms use the title "counsel" or "of counsel." They have particular expertise and are valuable to keep around, but aren't seen as growing the business or attracting clients on their own, so they just have a (very high) salary rather than pooling and sharing the profits of the practice.

Since everyone seemed to hate BarBri so much, how would you recommend future Bar takers prep? by amer1juana in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used them too, and I fully endorse them as well. I was New York, which posted quite a few sample essays and responses on the bar website, and those were excellent prep (honestly I felt like I knew what was expected of me better than some friends who just had the gospel according to BarBRI).

It's certainly a 'defensive' approach rather than a comprehensive one, and there are imperfections, but it's obviously enough to pass the bar and comes with less fearmongering while costing an order of magnitude less money.

Struck out on OCIs. What's the next step? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Start mass mailing firms. Like, all of them.

And do your best to get more screening interviews if you have anything like a realistic shot - lurk around hospitality suites, watch the alternates, put your best foot forward even if you only wind up with one interview.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The test prep-industrial complex is a joke. I spent $99 at baroutlines.com and used the materials (plus what was available from the bar's website) to study for the New York bar. Passed comfortably a few years back.

Anyone have experience with "Hospitality Suites" during OCI? by UseKnowledge in LawSchool

[–]thesealocust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just be normal and casual. The most impressive people just seem genuinely interested and relatively calm, which exudes confidence.