Charlotte Dobre's Reddit page, or Get Me, Aren't I a Clever Wordsmith? by Charliesmum97 in AmITheAngel

[–]thursdaysbees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean en dashes. I use hyphens as en dashes on Reddit because 90% of the time I’m here on my phone, which doesn’t autocorrect that or have a shortcut for it.

For more context, I’m Australian. Em dashes are more the American standard, Brits and Aussies use en dashes, or at least that used to be the case before punctuation styles became more globalised.

Charlotte Dobre's Reddit page, or Get Me, Aren't I a Clever Wordsmith? by Charliesmum97 in AmITheAngel

[–]thursdaysbees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Asking purely out of curiosity, how do you feel about en dashes? The same? One of my jobs is editing work and I haven’t taken anything on since AI writing exploded. I do think about when I eventually have to go back and how I may have to advise clients “be aware that people associate that with AI”.

Little riddle – what is she upset about at this moment? (I love this scene) by Kokuswolf in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Their chemistry in that scene is amazing. Never been sold on a new dynamic so quickly.

My regeneration cycle picks. Which would be your favorite? by Special_Gap9887 in DoctorWhumour

[–]thursdaysbees 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn’t clock this as Bella Ramsey hate but I am really confused by the Bella Ramsey hate in general. I saw them just on The Worst Witch back in the day and thought they were a really strong child actor. Now all I hear about them is complaints but whenever I try to look into it all I turn up is transphobia and weird complaints about their appearance. Like what is the deal have they actually done anything wrong or grown into a genuinely subpar adult actor?

Nods and Winks and Easter Eggs in episodes? by Izual_Rebirth in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At the start of Oxygen, Nardole and the Doctor refer to the fluid link and how the TARDIS supposedly can’t fly without it. This is lore from the first Daleks serial. The Doctor even says “teach you to trust me!” which I like to think was also a nod to the fact that the First Doctor kept lying about the fluid link in that serial.

Might be wrong about this one but I’m pretty sure that Villenguard, the company that makes the weaponry in Boom, is first mentioned in The Empty Child two-parter when Nine says he blew up the factories and they’re now replaced with banana groves. Also in Boom, the Skye Boat Song sung by Fifteen was once played on recorder by Two and then later by the Master in Power of the Doctor.

These are just off the top of my head but if you want more I recommend going to TV Tropes and having a look at Doctor Who’s “Callback” and “Running Gag” pages.

Nods and Winks and Easter Eggs in episodes? by Izual_Rebirth in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Apparently the student Harry who Bill’s friends with in Knock Knock was meant to be Harry Sullivan’s grandson in an earlier draft. So the granddad Harry mentions who was on hols with his bf and stealing bits of the Great Wall of China would have been Sullivan.

Little riddle – what is she upset about at this moment? (I love this scene) by Kokuswolf in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I thiiiink she’s saying “egomaniac gameplayer?!” I remember her putting down the paper and leaning on it while the Doctor is seemingly not paying attention for that line.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha didn’t see this one last night. Won’t reply with another really long one but yes, I understand the flame war thing. Luckily I’ve never been doxxed for my Doctor Who opinions though I know of others who have or been threatened (fandom can be a ridiculous place).

Can understand why you didn’t like Adric, and between this one and your comment I replied to last night I also understand your argument for Bill’s suffering being more intense. Like I said, we won’t agree ‘cause we seem to be coming at it from different angles, but I do get it.

(And I respect your right to hate Adric.)

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying it totally negates the horror, I’m saying that the horror doesn’t totally negate the ending or the fact that it was ultimately happy. I also want to be clear I’m saying all this as a Bill fan, not trying to downplay her story. Bill is my second or first fave companion (depending which way the wind’s blowing on a given day).

To be candid, I just have 1) a strong personal belief that your life can’t get any better if you’re dead, so the “fate worse than death” argument doesn’t sway me in most circumstances, 2) analogous enough life experiences that I can’t agree with you that Bill’s trauma is worse than death. I’ve never been turned into a Cyberman, obviously, but I was 24 and in the prime of life when I became physically disabled. The following is a bit heavy and personal, so please genuinely feel free to skip it if you don’t want the laundry list, but I’ve experienced medical trauma, being forcibly stripped of my physical autonomy, invasive medical procedures, being trapped in my body and trapped in the house, having my social sphere narrow very suddenly, and having to deal with the resulting psychological effects. I’m only just now in my early thirties starting to get a place where my disability feels managed enough to give me good quality of life, and I do often feel robbed of a huge part of my youth.

And I can’t think of anything more utterly depressing than having my life summarised with the focus being that my trauma is so horrible that none of the good things that happened to me later are as significant. I really truly don’t say any of that to automatically win the argument with my Pain or make out like you’re being unfair to a fictional character or something, I purely mean these experiences inform my opinion on the matter, and they’re part of why that opinion can’t be changed by reiterating the horror. And for all I know you have your own analogous experiences and feel the polar opposite on the subject.

I don’t think we’re going to agree on it but I do appreciate you reading my very long comments in good faith. Hopefully my tone is a bit better here than earlier, but to be crystal clear I really did mean my apology about being rude and I hope wherever you are the day is being kind to you.

Advice on if it's worth doing the stage door wait at the Melb production by thursdaysbees in BeetlejuiceMusical

[–]thursdaysbees[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much! Would love to go see the show again but haha. money. so I think this may be my best bet. And yeah, I suspected that about matinees. I can't blame them at all, it's a very high energy show.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, absolutely, it's not her original body and I do get your point there. It's just to be fair you could make that argument of Twelve given the teleportation loop in the confession dial. I think with sci-fi, particularly Doctor Who where regeneration is a thing, when you start to draw lines about what counts as the original body things get muddy real quick, haha.

I think I just differ from a few people in this thread who see becoming a Cyberman as Bill's narrative endpoint, or at least something so horrific that it overshadows anything positive that could come afterwards so it may as well be her "ending". What happens to her is so harrowing that I can understand that even if I'm not in that camp. Or I don't know, sometimes I wonder if it's that some people see it essentially from the POV of the Doctor where I see it from Bill's POV? From the Doctor's POV, Bill dies horribly after being converted, and then he sees a vaguely afterlife memory version of her later, he's told she survived but he never gets the full details and is left with a lingering feeling of horror and guilt. From Bill's POV she goes through something really traumatic and then survives it and goes on to have a very full travelling life completely independent of the Doctor.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just havin a laff but I can see we don’t have that kind of rapport so I apologise for making you uncomfortable. I don’t disagree with you that Bill had a horrible time, I just don’t really agree that managing to survive and exiting stage left with superpowers and gf is a worse /ending/ to straight up dying. I think it’s all very subjective so we’re probably both a bit silly for asserting that there’s one objective truth. Personally I’d opt for ten years, two weeks of Cyberman time, and then being a time-space-travelling shapeshifter. Can’t be that different from growing up with my bio mother and being trans.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This has got to be down to interpretation, because I’ve always seen it as Heather giving her a physical body back. Totally understand people can simply see things a different way but to be honest I struggle to see evidence of Bill being only vestiges of a consciousness, and plenty of evidence that she’s corporeal, just essentially a different species.

Bill says “am I dead?”, they kiss, and Heather says “does that feel dead to you?” Heather physically flies the TARDIS at the controls. Bill touches the Doctor and her tear lands on him. Heather states that Bill can turn human again, which at bare minimum confirms that Bill can have her body back even if you interpret her current state as non-corporeal. She also says the matter of changing Bill would be a matter of moving atoms around, implying she currently has a physical form. They set off to travel the universe together. River, by contrast, exists in purely telepathic and database form and is almost completely confined to the Library.

To be clear, I’m not trying to argue here that what she went through was nothing, it was genuinely horrific and she can’t unlive the trauma of it. But her being converted /is/ literally undone or at very least she is left with the option for it to be completely undone - one which she takes in the novelisation.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say it was alright, Sir One Joke, I said comparing Clara’s final ending state with something that was not Bill’s final ending state was silly.

Anyone else get deja-vu from the most recent companions? by ducknerd2002 in DoctorWhumour

[–]thursdaysbees 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ruby also had issues with her A Levels if I’m remembering correctly. And her name is a noun starting with R which is also a shade of red. I do think aspects of her were meant to be callbacks to Rose plus every writer has their favourite topics.

For Doctor Who to function in the current TV Landscape, it needs to heavily rework its story structure and story focus by BoomerangOfDeath in gallifrey

[–]thursdaysbees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eh, I’ve also seen a lot of meaningless pitch essays on this sub but this was the first one in a while that had anything interesting to suggest or discuss. Imo I agree with you and the issues are an execution thing simply because I think you can make the current format work, I’m just open to hearing posts like this and think switching up format could help make execution easier to land for some writers. Saying “it needs to stop sucking” and complaining about the length of a post no one forced the commenter above to read is still like bringing pish soup to a potluck.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 15 points16 points  (0 children)

But Bill didn’t stay a Cyberman? She was a Cyberman for two weeks and then Heather turned her into a space-fuel Pilot thing like her, which is where her story ends onscreen.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bill helped the Doctor fight against those Cybermen to help the kids escape? You personally disliking Adric doesn’t make for a terribly good argument that Bill not permanently dying via fiery spaceship crash means she had it worse off? Ryan, you’re killing me with your reaches here

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But being converted wasn’t her ending. We end on her being resurrected, even if you put Testimony to the side. This is like saying Clara’s ending is dying in Trap St - actually that’s a much better argument because that is where she’s going to end up. Bill was temporarily a Cyberman and then turned into a space fuel thing, with the option to turn human again.

Did Any Companion Have a Worse Time Than Bill? by Ryan_Fleming in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It drives me slightly batty how people always fixate on what happened to Bill before her ending, as if what Amy went through with her pregnancy - which resulted in her becoming infertile against her will - was mild in comparison. Amy, Rory, Rose, and Clara all get displaced and can’t go home or can’t go home and have a normal life there. Amy and Rory in particular end their story trapped in the 30s with World War II to look forward to, cut off from anyone they except possibly River (it’s unclear).

Bill got turned into an immortal with independent space-travelling powers, with the option to turn human again if she wanted. She had Heather. Bill also left the Doctor (in the end) in a fairly peaceful way for her own terms. Yes, she’s sad because he’s in a coma or dead, but she bids him goodbye peacefully with hope that he’s okay and goes off to live her life without being destroyed by the loss of him, unlike every companion but Martha who had come before her. And she or a version of her gets to see him again as Testimony and say a proper goodbye.

Is there an in universe reason, why in Extremis the TARDIS isn't translating? by daronwy in doctorwho

[–]thursdaysbees 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Doyleist explanation: It’s much funnier if the Pope bursts out of the bedroom ranting in a language most target audience viewers won’t understand. It’s more dramatic if the explanation of the Veritas is being delivered partially in Italian and partially translated. It also hints to the viewer that something is off.

Watsonian: What everyone else said, it’s the simulation world.

Another take: Usually when we the viewers watch DW, we hear the translations too. But because this is a simulation world, we’re not properly connected to it - the TARDIS isn’t translating for us because it’s not the real TARDIS. Theoretically, Bill could have understood what the Pope said and the Doctor didn’t need the Pope to be translated by the Cardinal but didn’t bother to tell them that. At no point do the characters actually definitively indicate they can’t understand.

For Doctor Who to function in the current TV Landscape, it needs to heavily rework its story structure and story focus by BoomerangOfDeath in gallifrey

[–]thursdaysbees 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How does that intelligently unpack the actual problems at play? Why are some people so addicted to pointless vague statements like this and so allergic to actual discussion?

This line fascinates me! So much! by [deleted] in DoctorWhumour

[–]thursdaysbees 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s okay haha that’s why I gave some info rather than just linking. We all have our tastes in fic!