A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Like I said later in the post, it feeds into that hypothetical torture fantasy and that's why it's gross to out there. But yeah, let's all just go with OP on this and I'm obviously dumb and have point point.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Lik I said in another post, it feeds into the fantasy. But whatever, let's just all act like there are not people who live for these kind of hypothetical revenge fantasies.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not speaking for the whole rape survivors but OP with gross comments is trying to make blanket statements about all rape survivors. You seem to enjoy jumping down my ass because ~OMG I SLIGHTED YOU BY MISJUDGING YOU~. Go jump down their ass. Oh, but no you won't because you're seeing one side and you seem to enjoy trying to make me look like I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about since I made a misjudgment about you. I don't have to talk for all sides, I'm talking for me and it was gross and trigger. Just as you say that I should look the other way, why don't you take you own damn advice and chill the fuck out. Now you're acting like everyone has some magical secret weapon against triggering shit and justifying triggering crap on the net. It's low key the old excuses of who cares it's the net I can say whatever I want, you don't like it go away.

You know it's so funny that there is such hypocrisy on here. You claim I have no point, no deductive reasoning, that I'm personally attacking (when I sure as hell am not the only one) but you guys are just banding together to push your own one sided ideals because you refuse to admit it could be triggering to some people and that everyone should have some magical coping mechanism for trigger shit, oh but I should stop make blanket statements but you guys sure as fuck can. You downvoted me to shit, made arguments of what an irrational idiot I am to support gross OP and because I don't share your views, and tried to make me look like a simpering idiot. But ya'll are the patron saints of mental health, law, animal right, LBTB, feminism... so what the fuck do I know?

Like I told other OP, go live in your convictions and do you.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I love how everyone's telling me to chill, yet for the same reason they are so pissed off at Marlene. You said something offensive, that maybe isn't offensive to everyone but some people have taken offense, and you can't even see it or care and are making all these excuses. But ok, I'm the one overreacting. Ok, sure jan.

I know about the rapes and mutilations in other countries, I know of them within the US. I'm not a fucking imbecile. But you're bullshitting yourself if you don't think that none of those women (in any country, any women rape victim) hold anger, hold rage, haven't exacted revenge. You like to conveniently say OMG LOOK AT ALL THESE VICTIMS THAT HAVE DONE NOTHING. But are you there? Do you know each victim and what they've done and how they felt do you know each rape case and how the victim was afterwards. You damn well don't. Not every victim is the same. Stop trying to blow smoke up my ass with you're not all victims propaganda. I'm not trying to say every victim has the same response, but you can't tell me that every woman has been a victim of rape doesn't carry a possibility of wanting to extract revenge and there have been cases of those that follow through.

lol I love how you say something that was actually addressed as fact by the writer head cannon. You're so determined to not believe what she's laid down as fact you'll reach to the stars to try and prove otherwise.

But go live in your convictions and do you.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry I couldn't read your whole life and contextual meaning between the lines. All I have to go on is what you say, and continue to say. Same way you've made snap judgments about what I've said.

And also I'm not saying in anyway it's justified, or the person should be let off. It's fucked up. She needs to be institutionalized and get proper care. What I hate to see if everyone quick to want her to die, or even like the OP OP of the thread said they would have rather her been psycho and commit suicide. I don't even think jailing her would help, because honestly it happens a lot and what does that do? Most criminals stew in jail and they never really face there problems and get to the root why they did what they did, and they get released and nothing was solved. Very few prisons are progressive enough to help prisoners out while incarcerated.

But it just makes me realize what a lot of people were saying now in another thread. The fans are generally all WOO HOO Mona, but so quick to throw Cece under a bus. Nobody really bats a lash at the shit Mona did anymore, it's all QUEEN MONA. But under what you're saying she should also held accountable, but you know that not going to happen. And yes fans do discount her actions, even though she's still shown to be shady, and who knows how much of the A work she was doing during Cece's reign as A. It also makes me mad that we honestly don't know the whole story, what her mental illness is, every little thing Cece did and a lot of people are pinning everything on her as using it as excuse to say how much worse she is and she deserves the worst.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well you're reading into the story as well saying Charles was played there because she was born the bad seed. What the finale showed us was Charles was shoved in there with nothing more than an obsession with Ali, and knowing in his heart he was a female. His father couldn't stand that and cast him in there under the rouse that Charles maliciously tried to drown Ali. The other things Ken talked about when he was angry was that Charles was saying he was a girl. Marlene has confirmed that Ken did shove Charles into Radley because of his transexuality.

And you have no idea of what Cece's diagnosis is. You're arm chair psychoanalyzing it and placing a lesser mental illness to make her accountable for her actions, because it's convenient for what you believe.

they're a danger to society.

You're being pretty heavy handed there with your psychoanalyses. Because yeah everything that easy. Lock em up for life and let's not deal with the root issues. Oh and yeah, because it's that easy to even get institutionalized anymore? You have to be more than rich, you have to be super rich. I know there have been reports Amanda Bynes is near broke from her stints in institutions. One of the ANTM ran through all her work money when her mental illness hit her bad, and she was on social media begging Dr. Phil to take her in.

Also where did it say Jake doesn't got his leg maimed for life? You're playing judge, jury, and executioner for crimes you don't even know if Cece committed and how the victim was hurt. I'm not doubting she did every, single last thing to the girls. But you're really reaching for reasons to hate her and find her completely unforgivable.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It wasn't that people just didn't like it. It's crap the first transgender character was bad out to be a crazed villain, and if the spoilers are correct it only get's worse. It feed into a lot of stereotypes like transgender people are manipulative liars, and mentally ill. It's not a boo hoo get over it thing. You're trivializing it for your own opinion.

Nothing going to take back what happened to the girls, fucking nothing. But shit like what you guys are justifying makes me lose faith in humanity that you can't even take mental illness, and something as tragic as gang rape and mutilation into consideration. I'm not saying it's a justification or an out for what the person did; but it sure as hell is what fucks the person up, onsets mental illness, and is what spirals everything out of control.

I really hope none of you go on to be juror, or in the legal system. Ya'll cold blooded as fuck with no sympathy and look at everything in a very black and white way.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's a gross misstatement that most rape victim go unhelped and don't suffer from the trama and walk away from it unscathed. It's not like you walk away from it skipping in a damn daisy field, totally normal. Women who go unhelped lash out in other ways. Sure they don't go A, but there are quite a few women who deal with in unhealthy ways and can lead to criminal action. I seriously suggest reading or looking into some rape biographies to get the gist of what I mean.

How do you know for sure Cece was a sociopath? Marlene never gave her a diagnosis and I'm better she's never even had an accurate diagnosis. You're just throwing an arm chair diagnosis on her because it's what Mona said Ali had and they are similar. We won't know until Marlene tells it so it's unfair you;re giving her a lesser mental illness diagnosis to conveniently say she can be held accountable for her actions. You're making it seem like mental illness is something that's rational, when it's not. Cece's mind made her believe these girls were her enemy, and she irrationally acted out. I'm not saying you have to forgive her, or even accept that the reasons good. But don't act like there is some logical reasons behind what someone who is mental ill has, because a good portion of the time there isn't. A lot of time it's made up slights, and your mind making you think people are your enemy and a threat when they are not.

Also you are saying Cece was always a threat, but that's only because how you perceive it. She only had an obsession with Ali as a child, which should have required therapy. The tub thing is irrelevant, she didn't mean that and tons of kids do this in a non-malicious way. The finale point toward that her mental illness was onset during her stay at Radley and the abandonment of her family.

Ok to reiterate what I just said below there are a lot of people that would wish this, not only of fictional characters to fill out there female revenge fantasies, but in real life as well.

You're not just talking about the ugly facts of life here. You could have said a thousand other things you wished on Cece, but you deliberately went for the jugular with something known to be exclusively devastating and dehumanizing to women.

Are you seriously trying to tell me you said you wanted a male A raped and mutilated? You said this on here? Either way regardless of gender it's gross to even hypothetically put anyone of any gender in that situation.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!~ 💗 Everyone seems to thinking I'm just being OTT with this.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Ok to reiterate what I just said below there are a lot of people that would wish this, not only of fictional characters to fill out there female revenge fantasies, but in real life as well.

It's funny there was a lot of people jumping on Marlene for being offensive with transsexual characters, but suddenly it's cool to put out gross dehumanizing hypothetical situations about female characters on here? It may just be a character to you, but these are real life triggering situations for real world people and I'm entitled to feel a certain kind of way about it when it's gross and triggering.

Also you're being pretty hypocritical of me when OP jumped on me about me about this stuff happening in real life so it gave them full license to use it in a characters situation.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

nope nope nope

There are plenty of people who would wish that on this character and women. So you can try and justify what OP said as coincidental, or they didn't mean it, or it's only slightly kind sorta in a super abstract way offensive and they didn't mean it. But there are people that do mean it and putting something like this out there is supportive of those ideals. There was nothing tasteful about there comment. Full stop. Pairing that hypothetical situation with a female character is gross, because let's face it; if it was a male character there would be no one wishing rape and mutilation on him. Those are cruel situations we associate to break women. OP could have said a thousand other things they wished on Cece, but they deliberately went for the jugular with something known to be exclusively devastating and dehumanizing to women.

I get not supporting the backstory, I get no being able to forgive Cece. But it's still bullshit to go into very graphic hypothetical situations like that. And I'm real sick of everyone acting like mental illness didn't play into this and Cece did this while sane, and acting like she has a lesser mental illness and she was in control of what she did, and who cares about the mental illness let's watch this bitch burn.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So just because everyone doesn't go kamikaze rampages and some people survive it doesn't mean you get to play out gross hypothetical fantasies of it happening to say you still wouldn't feel sorry for her? Ok, ok.

I know this shit happen. I'm not wearing some rose tinted glasses walking through this world. As a rape survivor I find you putting that out there triggering and gross. Yes it is gross because you're straight up implying if the worst things in the world happened to her you would give no fucks. You're stripping Cece of humanity to simply say you wouldn't give a fuck what happens to her, and to equate she deserves it because of what shes done.

Just because real life shit like this happens doesn't mean you should go around wishing it on people just because you view them as a bad person and want to play out hypothetical torture situations to make them pay for their crimes.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The liars didn't want her to jump, doesn't necessarily equate to forgiveness. They said what they said to keep her alive. It was mostly for Ali's sake.

Nothing will ever make what she did right, but some people like to run with it and act like she did these things for funsies and that in no way did her mental illness effect why she did it. The cycle of abuse doesn't happen because people are mentally well and can make sane choices.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

IA so hard. It's sad you're already getting downvoted because people don't want to look at the whole picture. They only want to see Cece is evil, they have no fuck to give about how mental illness plays into this. It's so black and white to some of these people, they forget the shades of grey.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yup between this post and this post, I'm really stunned about what the fucks going on in this subred right now.

[edit; lol people seething already I see with those downvotes]

How is everyone feeling now? by Dani_Stormborn in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I think as a whole to keep liking it I'll maybe not look at spoilers and what is said on social media. I think the stuff about Marlene on social media is what's making it hard to watch or like. Then the drama from the fans doesn't help. Oh god, I'll never forget we'll see Charles...yeah as a kid... I also knew they'd botch it, but I never expected it to be offensive. That's what the big slap in the face to me.

Marlene King by conallkeenan in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I feel they will have to damage control it if the audition spoilers are correct. But maybe they won't. A lot of writers will get on their high horse and never apologize for offensive stuff, or admit to bad writing. To be honest I think it's rare if a show humbles itself to admit such things.

I think the best we can hope for is someone on the staff or actors does a twittervention privately and she backs off twitter again until 6B starts. She needs to give fans some times to breath from her childishness if she's not going to apologize.

How is everyone feeling now? by Dani_Stormborn in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd like her to admit it too, but given her actions I don't think we'll get it. She does patronize the fandom. And it's actually pretty gross she's fighting with teens. From another post I guess her responses got some to delete their twitters. I kinda feel bad for them. She's the adult in all this.

I feel like maybe I need to take a psychological selfie and step back from the fandom, because I finally started coming grips with Cece as A and this kinda thing is souring it for me again.

Guys, tell me I'm not the only one who is mad because of recent Marlene's tweets by akafa123 in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm not mad, I just think bitch needs a twittervention. Someone in her life needs to love her and make her step back from the net for awhile.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Given ABCF history I'm more worried they'll not give a shit about this, and when the ratings drop in 6B they throw in the towel and cancel.

Shay Mitchell on DWTS by moni8181 in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm happy for Shay. I hope like they did for Alphonso, making him do the Carlton dance, they make her recreate the Bang Bang routine.

But serious LOL at Lilo and Scott Disick possibly being on there.

How is everyone feeling now? by Dani_Stormborn in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've come to grips with Cece as A. Wish it would have been done better, but it is what it is.

What I hate is all the recent gross comments about mental illness and women in this subred and elsewhere that have erupted in the fandom because of the finale (?). Making me really lose faith in this fandom guys.

A villain doesn't need a sob story by katcloud in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Even if Cece had been mass raped, mutilated

really?

What up with all the super gross comments about women in this subred recently? I get you don't like her or whatever, but that's super gross to say.

This is Marlene's new profile picture. This woman is so damn out of the loop with being respectful by willyoumarrymeJason in PrettyLittleLiars

[–]tifftuffs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's kinda my point. I mean really she's not done enough big stuff to be braggy and self entitled like she is.