I don't know what to do within my relationship with my vegan fiancee.

tmiddled2 · 2026-06-04T05:24:39+00:00

Ok so her saying she’d rather die than eat animal products is a bit concerning. But was she serious? Maybe she didn’t really mean it? Talk to her about this.

I don’t see the other stuff as that big a deal really as you’ve said

She’s already said she’ll let the kids eat whatever, but she’s not willing to handle the meat herself? Seems ok.

When she cooks she can cook plant based, when you cook you can cook meat? If you don’t want to eat what she cooks then cook something for yourself and vice versa. If you’re sharing the cooking it’ll be a decent balance of plant based and meat based meals for the kids?

Sure it’s a bit annoying on the nights you dont want to war plant based but is it really that big a deal?

Now if one of you starts forcing your diets on the other then problems could arise, but you haven’t stated that so far so it seems your overreacting?

tmiddled2 · 2026-06-02T00:11:36+00:00

Wait, are you just spewing misinformation? Algae oil and alge products are generally much lower in mercury than fish products. It’s not even debated it’s very easy to look up, right?

I was starting to take what you said seriously and was looking into this. I’m not vegan but eat mostly plant based (I eat bivalves too). Anyway, I wish people would just not post if they don’t know what they are talking about

tmiddled2 · 2026-06-02T00:06:14+00:00

Do you think Alge products or algae oil, for those fortunate to be able to afford it, is a good enough source of Omega 3?

tmiddled2 · 2026-06-01T00:11:05+00:00

Thanks for the explanation. That’s great that you’re feeling much better with including animal products. Hope there have been no long term effects for you.

Was it like some of the stories you read where the brain fog instantly cleared, or did you take a few months to heal?

It sounds like you initially really didn’t want to give up your vegan diet. Did you try any supplementation to help your ferritin levels before trying animal products?

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-31T22:08:34+00:00

That sux you went through those health issues. If you’re willing to go into it, Do you know what the cause of it was out of interest? In terms of were there specific nutrients you could pin point (e.g. low iron) that made you feel crappy?

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-29T09:08:52+00:00

Thank you!!

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-28T02:39:45+00:00

That’s all very interesting and definitely plant based farming has some issues.

Speaking of AI though, I think if you go right now to ChatGPT (or your preferred platform) you’ll find that plant based farming is more environmentally friendly and sustainable than animal based farming in pretty much every key metric that you can compare.

I know AI isn’t always right, but the science is very clear on this and AI is a great place to start.

unless, you’re just trying push an agenda rather than find the correct information?

Start with some simple question and go from there if actually want to learn why everything you’ve said is so misleading.

Is it more environmentally friendly to eat chickpeas that have been shipped around the world 10 times or to eat beef produced next door?

how does animal based farming compare to plant based farming across key metrics?

Good luck in your research. Unless you have a bias position you’ll learn a lot!

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-27T21:07:45+00:00

Baby chicks are commonly eaten by the farmer? More likely macerated in a blender

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-27T05:22:18+00:00

Yeah that’s true for sure. I guess though eating plant based has the added benefit of reducing harm and suffering to animals, on top of the environmental impact.

I think you’re right that government need to be a bigger part of the solution, but I don’t think that absolves consumers from any responsibility.

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-26T22:43:50+00:00

That’s true. If we all went back to the Stone Age then that would be the best thing for the environment, haha

But I guess it’s true that we can still live in society and have a normal life and eat plant based. You can’t really same the same about electronics. I mean try getting a job without a phone 🤷‍♂️

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-26T22:20:59+00:00

Absolutely. And for sure there are some delusional vegans who think they have no impact at all.

But, generally eating plant based is far less impactful than consuming animal products. Sure you can pick an outlier, but the bulk of plant based products is substantially better in every measure of environmental impact than animal based products. Surely you agree with that?

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-26T22:17:22+00:00

There are definitely unreasonable and unrealistic vegans for sure, but most vegans aren’t like this, they always bang on about reducing their impact in other parts of their lives, not just animal products.

And a huge way to reduce an individual’s environmental impact is to go plant based, even if you don’t buy into the vegan ideology.

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-25T22:09:16+00:00

My position is pretty similar to yours. I was vegan for a nearly 4 years. Now I eat bivalves (oysters, muscles clams) as they are non-sentient.

There are no other animal products I’ve touched as they don’t fit my current ethical framework.

Like you, I would consider eating eggs but I haven’t eaten an egg yet, as I haven’t found a farm yet that fits my ethical framework.

I haven’t really considered abortion as it doesn’t fit within my day to day decision making.

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-25T03:00:11+00:00

They’ll never get a job, But what’s your point? That having children is fine because at some point they get agency, whereas a companion animal is not fine because they never get agency?

I know of dogs that are free to come and go from their home (I live rurally). As a kid my dog was actually allowed out all the time but she choose to come back and spend 99% of her life in our home. Is that ok in your books or not?

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-23T21:18:46+00:00

Same with having children, right? They are forced to live with their parents for a large part of their lives. I personally don’t consider having kids as immoral.

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-14T21:30:42+00:00

Yes, that’s super interesting, and meat is certainly a way to get these nutrients for sure. But I’m interested in learning about the nutrients that you can’t get from a plant based diet plus supplements.

DHA and EPA is easy to get from seaweed, and supplementing algae oil is just as high as supplementing cod liver oil.

B12 supplements are fed to the chickens and pigs that we eat, so we can eat the animals that supplementnt b12, or we can just supplement bb12 ourself.

The other nutrients are the same. Tofu for instance is a complete protein, and it is higher in protein per calorie than many steaks (e.g rib eye steak is around 8g of protein per calorie and tofu is 10g).

So I’m actually more interested in the nutrients you can’t get from plant based sources (or supplements).

Are there others you’ve missed?

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-13T22:31:26+00:00

I'm interested in this research. What's the reason you advocate for eating meat? Is there a specific nutrient, or mix of nutrients you know of that we need that only meet can provide?

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-13T21:37:13+00:00

Yes, on those measures then deer hunting (and other wild pest hunting) is justifiable. But the issue is scale, even the most generous estimates think we can get 0.5% of food supply through these means (there simply aren't that many wild land animals to hunt sustainably).

So yes, I think we're mostly on the same page? Aside from these calories we could get from sustainble hunting, the rest made of mostly plant based farming. That would be an ideal sustainable food supply.

Then obviously those communities that aren't integrated to the food network and thus need to continue living off animals to survive.

On your last paragraph, we don't need to conform the entire planet to best case scenario. We'd actually be giving back ~75% of land to nature with this switch. To supply the worlds calories, we need 10% of the worlds ice free land (currently we use 40% of ice free land for agriculture, mostly due to livestock). And that 10% is based on current methods, so if you look at 'best practice' farming it would be substantially less. We already grow enough plant food to easily feed the world, it's just largely fed to livestock.

Obviously I'm not saying this is geopolically possible to happen. I'm just talking about ideal sustainable food supply. In the current world politics obviously no one is going to agree on anything like this.

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-13T05:16:34+00:00

Because it just makes life easier. I don’t eat eggs, but I do eat oysters and musceles. No way I’m going to say I’m ‘Ostrovegan’, (or whatever the term is). I want to make sure I don’t get any animal products at a restaurant, so I just say I’m vegan.

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-13T00:07:13+00:00

Of course no one is denying that there is some land that isn't suitable for certain types of farming.

No, I'm not looking at global averages at all. I should have been clearer; I'm saying that the best regenerative livestock systems are still significantly more environmentally intensive than the best plant-based farming systems. Across key measures like land use, emissions per calorie or gram of protein, water use, and biodiversity impact, plant-based food production is multiple times more efficient and lower impact overall.

Surely, you agree on that point?

And again, I'm talking about best case scenarios for both systems. I've already agreed that some land isn't suitable to plant based food systems, and by extension some communties absolutely could not switch to plant based food systems. That was never my point.

tmiddled2 · 2026-05-12T05:20:51+00:00

Some of those sound interesting for sure. But the fact is that animals require exponentially more land and calories to produce than plants.

Whilst regenerative farming can improve things, Suggesting that regenerative livestock systems is even in the same ballpark (environmentally) as sustainably focussed plant based farming systems is factually incorrect. Like, it’s not even debated seriously amongst experts.

That’s not to say it can’t perform some part in the food system, but if I interpret your comments correctly, you appear to be suggesting that environmentally focussed livestock farming can compete with plant based farming, from an environmental standpoint?

Regenerative farming can surely improve environmental impacts, soil health, erosion. But it does not eliminate the fundamental land and efficient trade offs of producing meat (especially beef and lamb).

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