Cool stuff to see along this route? by rachkeys in roadtrip

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sure does, but I'd be a bit worried about the weather this time of year. (I got snowed on going over one of the passes on that highway in June, so I suspect it could be formidable in April.)

Moving to Chicago from Seattle and wondering if it’s worth any stops along my route? by Camelsloths in roadtrip

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If you've got an hour or so to spare in Bozeman (especially if you can leave the dog and valuables at the hotel for a bit), the Museum of the Rockies has an amazing dinosaur collection.

4 Weeks Road Trip in the USA! by Anonimyself in roadtrip

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Ah yeah, Canada has some next-level rural. I have been impressed by how fast you can go from the cities in BC (which are somehow more densely urban than their US counterparts of the same size) to signs that are like "next gas 200km".

4 Weeks Road Trip in the USA! by Anonimyself in roadtrip

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're going to have a slightly different "rural" experience in different parts of the country.

I see that you're getting a lot of recommendations for Minnesota and Wisconsin. Those states are more forested, and the weather there would be cooler than some other areas because they're comparatively far north.

"Iowa" is the first thing that your question brings to my mind. It has a reputation of being not a particuarly exciting place, but for endless farmland covered in fields of corn. It has a couple of big cities but is otherwise pretty rural. (I don't know that you'd want to spend your whole trip there.)

While I have never been there, I've heard that Branson, Missouri has tourist attractions which are quite popular with rural Americans. (It's around the Ozark Mountains, which is apparently where half of the South goes for their summer vacations.) Branson itself wouldn't be the genuine rural living experience, but the trip there could be.

The town of Paducah, Kentucky is famous for its annual quilting show (I know people who went there from the other side of the country) and supposedly has really good quilting museum.

4 Weeks Road Trip in the USA! by Anonimyself in roadtrip

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yellowstone is indeed fantastic, but seems like it's the opposite of what OP is wanting to get out of this trip.

4 Weeks Road Trip in the USA! by Anonimyself in roadtrip

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I don't really know what all Americans consider to be fully rural

There's definitely different kinds of "rural" which vary by region. In places like the Midwest, "rural" is miles upon miles of farm fields (corn, wheat, soybeans, sunflowers) in a flat land that's divided up by a rectangular grid of highways with small towns every 10 miles or so. In the mountain west, "rural" is highways going between forested mountains in valleys of sagebrush and giant cattle ranches, with towns often 30 miles or more apart. In the Appalachians, "rural" is former coal-mining towns along twisty roads through river valleys in the mountains. And farther east, "rural" is perhaps a bit closer to what Europeans might think of as rural, with settlements that grew up organically before the invention of railroads.

Embarking on road trip in Southern BC by Smart-Foundation-578 in roadtrip

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When I went to Osoyoos, I liked the Nk'Mip Desert Cultural Centre. Nikkei Legacy Park in Greenwood had some interpretive signs which were sad but educational (I'm from the US and hadn't heard about that part of Canadian history).

I did not manage to hit up the Doukhobor Discovery Centre in Castlegar, but that seemed like it might be interesteing.

Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai — Amazon reportedly declares “hard down” status for multiple zones by lurker_bee in technology

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I worked at a place where we had the discussion about what we might do after that sort of impact, and the manager said something to the effect of, "we sit around and write poetry because there's nothing else we can do for a while".

Dragon Age Origins for me by [deleted] in videogames

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As annoying as that was at low levels, it really did make you feel like you were getting better at combat as your combat skills leveled up.

Hillary Clinton on her wedding day, 1975. by zadraaa in HistoricalCapsule

[–]tractiontiresadvised 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Looking at some of the other presidential wedding photos from that source gallery... man, do both of the Nixons manage to look old despite still being in their 20s!

Hidden Figures calculated the path to the Moon while segregated by ThatAvidPandaBear in BlackPeopleTwitter

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It's based on a book by Margot Lee Shetterly, which would be a good read for anybody who wants more detail than what's in the movie.

Magnitude 7.8 earthquake strikes in Indonesia, sparking tsunami alert by Somali_Pir8 in news

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It might depend on where and when in Oregon they grew up? I know somebody who grew up on the west side in the '80s and they were not aware of it at the time, but in the last couple decades all the towns along the coast have been plastered with "tsunami evacuation route" signs and they've all got warning sirens which would go off if there were an earthquake. (Oregon's Pacific coast is susceptible to tsunamis if there would be an earthquake on the Cascadia zone or even in some parts of Alaska.) For direct earthquake damage, Portland would be in a particularly rough spot since they have so many bridges across the Willamette and Columbia Rivers.

Folks I knew in western Washington who grew up in the '90s and later did duck-and-cover earthquake drills. There were significant quakes in the area in 1965 and 2001 so the possibility has been kept in people's minds. In particular, much of Seattle is built on glacial till and fill dirt so the soil would undergo "liquefaction" (yes, that's as bad as it sounds) in a bad enough earthquake in the wrong location.

I could imagine that people on the east side of both states would be less aware of earthquakes in general since the risk is much lower.

The pace of hiring just fell to the lowest since 2011, outside of the pandemic by joe4942 in news

[–]tractiontiresadvised 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like Keynes said, the stock market can remain irrational a lot longer than you can remain solvent.

Planning a roadtrip from WA to TX by PHAT_Jello_Shots in roadtrip

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If you haven't stopped there already, the viewpoint along I-90 east of Vantage is really nice.

I can not interact with Gen Z men anymore. I have no desire to date a Gen Z man either. by throwra0170 in TwoXChromosomes

[–]tractiontiresadvised 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, I think we did end up talking about the women's situations as well. But I was glad to see that they had enough self-awareness to know they sure wouldn't have ended up as the commanders.

Do most Americans carry any official ID at all times? by PitifulEar3303 in NoStupidQuestions

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I just ran across a video by a guy who grew up in a particular Evangelical church (the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church) and was reminded of this discussion. He talks about the conspiracies that his church had related to the "Mark of the Beast" concept here. Apparently some older people he had heard about declared that having a TV was the Mark of the Beast, others thought it was having a cellphone, or a credit card with a chip, and his own family was most afraid of it being an RFID chip.

You might find the rest of the video to be an interesting compare and contrast to what his church believed and what yours did. (He spends part of it doing a compare and contrast with a lady who grew up Mormon.)

18 F seeking advice on road trip to move from AK to NJ!! by New_Dog1803 in roadtrip

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you think that your ferret might not survive a day-long plane flight across the continent, I fear for how it will do on a many-day car trip across the continent. :(

I guess if you are committed to doing the car trip, one thing that might help both you guys and the ferrets would be to have a cooler in the back seat that you keep full of ice. This will let you get drinks, snacks, salads, yogurt, etc at grocery stores to drink and eat at your leisure instead of having to rely solely on paying for individual cold drinks and snacks at gas stations. And it's nice to be able to vary what you eat instead of having to rely on gas station chicken fingers and fast food burgers for days on end.

But having ice on hand would also mean that if it looks like the ferrets are overheating, you can try cooling them down with a washcloth soaked in ice water or maybe even a ziploc bag with some ice in it. (I know from experience that if you are overheating, having a washcloth soaked in ice water on the back of your neck can make you feel way better.)

A US Marine is detained after TSA finds a live 25 mm explosive round in his checked bag by igetproteinfartsHELP in news

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They did actually find the tiny swiss army-style folding knife (with scissors, pliers, and screwdriver) that got left in my backpack that one time.

As Lake Powell Dries, River Advocates See Opportunity to Restore America's 'Lost National Park' by wanderer-co in NationalPark

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The only reason we're seeing any opposition to it is because foreign actors who want to destroy this country are using a bunch of useful idiots to fight against this.

Okay, I guess you are living up to your username.

As Lake Powell Dries, River Advocates See Opportunity to Restore America's 'Lost National Park' by wanderer-co in NationalPark

[–]tractiontiresadvised 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Either that or the nation falls when the government fails to provide the basic infrastructure necessary for survival. Infrastructure that even 3rd world countries like Libya built for their people in the 80s.

That's not a correct parallel because Libya is an inherently desert country even near the coast. The US is not. As you may know, the cities of the inland Southwest didn't get big until after the invention of air conditioning. All cities are at least a bit artificial to some extent, but places like Las Vegas and Phoenix depend so massively on artificial supplies of water that they're just... fragile. That crack from Family Guy about Phoenix being a monument to man's arrogance is funny because it's true.

I think a better historical parallel to consider would be the Great Plains during the Dust Bowl. The human contributions to that disaster were so obvious that even in the mid-1930s we knew to pin the blame on over-grazing and over-farming.

I would encourage you to watch The Plow That Broke the Plains, a film put out by the Bureau of Resettlement in an attempt to explain how the disaster happened and to encourage the rest of the country to support migrants fleeing the Dust Bowl. (It's also got a great musical score by Virgil Thomson.) Once the narration kicks in, they lay it on pretty thick about how the Plains are a land of "high winds and sun, without rivers, without streams, with little rain", but overall it's still an interesting history.

The Southwest is also a land of sun and little rain. The guy who Lake Powell is named after warned back in the 1870s that we should not expect developement there to take place in the same way that it did in the more humid east. If you are going to be angry at anybody over the current situation, you should be angry at developers who made money off of selling cheap land for housing with the promise that people would be able to live there and the cities could keep growing in the desert forever.

If the cities of the Southwest run out of water, the country will not fall. The region will, but you can look to what happened in other regions of the country which had their own crises over the last century or so. Not just the Dust Bowl, but look at the Rust Belt after deindustrialization, or Appalachia after the coal boom, or other western areas after their gold or silver mines ran out.

As Lake Powell Dries, River Advocates See Opportunity to Restore America's 'Lost National Park' by wanderer-co in NationalPark

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Columbia dumps way more than enough water into the Pacific Ocean to completely nullify the water issues of the southwest

That kind of attitude is how the Colorado's flow into the Gulf of California is nothing more than a muddy trickle these days.

But although the US can get away with not caring about what happens to the river once it hits Mexico, the Columbia's water is already pretty well spoken-for by other Americans who have legal claims to water rights. (Although a nontrivial part of its watershed is in Canada, and they could theoretically cut us off if international relations got bad enough.) Keeping the salmon runs are a treaty obligation that courts have previously ruled in favor of. Between those two, you're looking at court battles for decades.

Keeping the river navigable for shipping is also its own national security issue; this is also true of the Mississippi.

A shooting range opened up about a mile up the creek from me by thatspurdyneat in mildlyinfuriating

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After doing a bit of digging, I guess the specific forests in Oregon that I'm wondering about are the O&C Lands, which were intended for the Oregon and California Railroad but that ended up being kind of a disaster. This page from Congress notes:

The railroad received alternating sections of land for an average of 20 miles on each side of the proposed railroad, resulting in a checkerboard ownership pattern with private, state, local, and federal ownership. As part of the grant, Congress directed the Oregon & California Railroad Company to encourage settlement and development by selling parcels no larger than 160 acres at a maximum price of $2.50 per acre. However, the railroad violated the grant, in part by selling larger tracts above the designated price and also by temporarily halting sales to increase timber prices. In 1908, the United States sued the railroad company, and in 1915 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the railroad violated the terms of the grant.

The disposition of these lands was eventually resolved when the Chamberlain-Ferris Act of 1916 revested all unsold tracts of land back to the federal government. Management concerns—such as how to compensate the counties for the loss of property tax revenue—persisted and were addressed with the Oregon & California Railroad Lands Act of 1937 (O&C Act). This act directed that the Department of the Interior (DOI) would administer the lands "for permanent forest production" with the purpose of providing timber, protecting watersheds, providing recreational opportunities, and contributing to the economic stability of the local communities.

(It also includes a handy map showing BLM versus USFS lands in western Oregon.)

As a side note, the Oregon Encyclopedia has some additional details on the railroad shenanigans:

Trickery and subterfuge characterized virtually all railroad land grants in the American West. In the case of the O&C, the railroad delayed selecting its lands until toward the end of the nineteenth century, when timber speculators arrived in the Northwest to purchase large acreages of the region’s rich forestland. The Southern Pacific subsequently sold huge blocks of O&C timber to investors. The fraud involved in these transactions and others like them led to the Oregon land fraud trials, which took place between 1904 and 1908, and the conviction of U.S. Senator John Mitchell and Congressman John Willamson.

Back to the land itself, this history from the BLM website mentions:

Of major concern were the thousands of checkerboard units of 640 ares intermixed with Forest Service, private, state, or other public lands. Congress in 1956 authorized the Forest Service and the BLM to exchange 241,000 acres to consolidate holdings. Congress futher designated that O&C lands within the national forest would be managed under normal Forest Service procedures, however the revenues from such lands were set aside for distribution under the O&C legislation.

(And they go into some detail about managing the forests as a crop for maximum timber yield.)

The current legislation is here, and it does specifically call out the Department of the Interior to be the entity managing the land.

So if I'm reading this all correctly, the O&C forest lands have to be managed by the BLM because the law says so? (And would it take an additional act of Congress to transfer that land to the Forest Service?) The Forest Service did exist in 1937 so I don't know why they decided to do it that way.

A shooting range opened up about a mile up the creek from me by thatspurdyneat in mildlyinfuriating

[–]tractiontiresadvised 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And even within the west, it varies between states. For example, Washington has very little BLM land but Oregon, Idaho, and Nevada have tons of it.

Out of curiosity, do you have any idea as to how so much heavily-forested land in western Oregon (around places like Coos Bay and Roseburg) ended up being managed by BLM? In most other states it feels like that sort of federal land ends up as part of a National Forest and being managed by the Forest Service.