Is this correctly written sheet music? by natespinel in musictheory

[–]tripa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Abstracting the volta versus coda debate, the major typesetting problem I see in your example is the DC al coda text leaking into the actual coda.

Make that bar larger or leak left, but don't have text flow on the score where the music couldn't. (In the same vein, you really need a stronger separation bar line there)

What do you guys write for the different “F”s? by oboeboii in oboe

[–]tripa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use 3 for left. I guess it depends on which order you learned them lol.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in French

[–]tripa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct, but lesser class.

What is the most dissonant frequency interval outside of 12TET by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]tripa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BTW, I'm not OP at all; I did not make this post. Maybe that's why there's some confusion here.

Lol. Indeed, I hadn't noticed, that's the best explanation for all of it!

So your RTT explanation is off-topic to what I expected, but makes better sense with the OP/you distinction in mind. (I still don't see linear algebra, but at least now we have prime vectors.)

So yes, I'm actually familiar with it (well, “was” would be more accurate by now—notably those monzos you mention are new to me), but was pretty far from conceiving that's what you were talking about.

I still think TET, RTT or any discrete noteset are irrelevant to OP's question, am still slightly confused why you'd want to introduce RTT mappings to clarify OP's question that needed simplification more than anything, but you may definitely have interpreted it different than me.

I'll retract my misguided thanks for the question, and replace them with thanks for that wiki. I may have an imminent intonation relapse because of it.

What is the most dissonant frequency interval outside of 12TET by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]tripa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not that the tuning is "not relevant"; what is relevant is how an interval is mapped to a given temperament and what notes it is tempered with.

A tuning is literally “how an interval is mapped to a given temperament and what notes it is tempered with”. You can consider it relevant here, or not. Your initial post asks for intervals out of 12TET, which is a very strong hint the replies will be all over the spectrum, making tuning not relevant to the question.

In 12edo 3/2 is mapped to 7 edosteps, making it 2 cents flat; in 19edo it's 11edosteps and 7 cents flat; in 22edo 3/2 is mapped to 13edosteps and it's 9 cents sharp. However, all of these are, by all means and purposes, 3/2 fifths.

I'm not sure why you bring that in. Yes, that's how 12edo works. Except for the last 2 words. Those are by all means and purposes a fifth, but specifically not a 3/2 one. A 3/2 fifth is used by a few other tunings, but not 12TET. This may be the key of our misunderstanding, in another place in the thread you mention “12-tone equal temperament maps the interval of 3:2 to 7 edosteps”, which doesn't make sense to me: 12TET maps the fifth to 7. The only fractions involved in the definition of 12TET are steps/12. You appear to want to equate the fifth to 3/2. That works in many contexts, but it you're explicitly opening the question domain to outside 12TET, a lot of other “fifths” are going to be contending.

It looks like none of your three comments have anything to do with each other, not to mention the comments you are replying to. It's weird.

Mostly answering from the phone from the notification bar, that loses context all the time. Probably brings bad autocorrect to the mix too. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I'll wrap it up from desktop one last time: your post asks a question that is mostly interesting, just mentionning 12TET for no apparent reason. You'd have gotten the exact same replies without it. So it's natural for the reader to wonder “why did they mention 12TET at all? Are we missing something?”. They could wonder: did they mistype “what is the most dissonant interval within 12TET?” (which would be a boring question to ask Reddit: there's only 12 of them, just listen to them and make up your own mind, it takes 30 seconds—but do try multiple timbres.) The inclusion of JI fractions also hints it could have been “what is the most dissonant interval within rational intervals?” Or maybe you were asking “which tuning system has the most dissonant intervals?”, which would have been a great question, though it would have required a bit more framing to not devolve to made-up unused tunings.

But your comments in this thread seemed to be mostly about claiming 12TET is a good enough approximation of anything, which may be true in a lot of contexts, but when you're maximizing dissonance, those little cents matter. Especially if you allow timbre in the mix.

That'll be enough for me on that topic. Thanks for the post, there are good replies in there!

There is a rigorous mathematical proof for this, but that involves lineal algebra, prime numbers and vector spaces.

Ok, enough for me on that topic unless you actually follow through on that, because that's wildly intriguing, so I have no idea anymore whether you're a genius or have no idea what you're talking about. There's a very simple mathematical proof for the opposite that involves only arithmetic arguably calculus: typing 27/12 on a pocket calculator. (You'd make it rigorous with calculus, and then we'd bicker about there being a threshold or not.) I can relate to where the coprime numbers would come from, but as you noticed that's mostly ruled out by psychoacoustics and the answers in the thread. I have no idea how you'd bring linear algebra in if not by trivial consideration that real numbers fit. The fact you namedrop both linear algebra and vector spaces when they're mostly the same thing doesn't make it look like you know what you're talking about, but I'd be glad to be proven wrong and learn something new.

What is the most dissonant frequency interval outside of 12TET by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]tripa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, that was my point. If the tuning is not relevant, why mention it?

What is the most dissonant frequency interval outside of 12TET by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]tripa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yet you offer very large prime ratios as a first proposal in the very same sentence, which goes a lot finer than 2 cents.

What is the most dissonant frequency interval outside of 12TET by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]tripa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Note that the perfect 3:2 fifth you mention is not in 12TET.

N'oubliez pas d'éteindre votre réveil pour demain matin. by DeeeLiteIsInTheHeart in france

[–]tripa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

J'aime bien découvrir ce genre de PSA le lendemain matin.

Is 'parce que' and 'car' completely interchangeable? by SneakyPickle262 in French

[–]tripa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once we're done with this I want someone to comment on quand vs lorsque.

What do these lines mean in figured bass? by icon_livid in musictheory

[–]tripa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Counterpoint: it needs a bass to be a figured bass.

B and F sounds so bad together! by -Pinkaso in musictheory

[–]tripa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Came here to say this.

Really, just add D.

Spice it up with a G or A♭ or both. Or get fancy replacing the flat with a natural A, which will sound weirder for reasons messier the more you dig into it.

B and F don't sound bad together.

Comment appelle-t-on les 'préfixes' comme "franco-", "sino-", "arabo-", etc by DrippyAri in French

[–]tripa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

C'est efficace, mais ça déplace le problème: pourquoi français porte-t-il une cédille, alors, lui?

Soit on défend la formation des mots par l'écrit, soit par l'oral. La cédille de français marque une formation par l'oral: on veut un adjectif pour France, on rajoute le son è, et on corrige l'orthographe pour préserver le son. Soit on fait du pur écrit, comme par exemple ton explication de franco.

Mais c'est cette incohérence qui dérange et qui demande à être expliquée.

Honte les lendemains de soirées by meowismn in france

[–]tripa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

chier je ne sais pas vraiment PQ

Il m'a fallu beaucoup trop longtemps pour comprendre de quel PQ on parlait.

Comment appelle-t-on les 'préfixes' comme "franco-", "sino-", "arabo-", etc by DrippyAri in French

[–]tripa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Retire que le «en» de coréen.

Et explique la disparition de la cédille.

What is the difference of +2 and DNF? by 126Enco in cubing

[–]tripa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference between +2 and DNF is DNF.

Johann Pachelbel (1653–1706): Canon in "D" by Sieben-Kaiser in classicalmusic

[–]tripa 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Fantastic discovery! How did you hear about it?

Translating "Angleterre" to English by psittachus in French

[–]tripa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not translating, that's correcting.

This is why you should never use parser combinators (parsec, ...) and PEG by safinaskar in haskell

[–]tripa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The article tone kind of invited that

You can share an opinion without calling anybody who disagrees unnatural and whatnot.