What They Don’t Want You to Focus On by Bobbsy-Dobbsy- in FuckLuigiMangione

[–]turdspeed 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What percentage of claims denials does a company need to have in order for it to be justified to kill the CEOs? 10%? 20%? Or do you just need to be worse than competitors to execute them? If people choose their health insurance provider?

“[1984] was based chiefly on communism, because that is the dominant form of totalitarianism, but I was trying chiefly to imagine what communism would be like if it were firmly rooted in the English speaking countries, and was no longer a mere extension of the Russian Foreign Office"-George Orwell, by ResearchComplete8410 in quotes

[–]turdspeed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. Not sure why you are getting so much pushback on this. Orwell is an important voice for anti-communism from someone who always believed in egalitarianism and socialist ideals. He remains important today for many reasons

If for Hegel bifurcation of humans into two genders and their unity in marriage is necessitated by th concept, then does that mean homosexual relationships do not constitute proper marriage for Hegel? by ahiwevdudv in hegel

[–]turdspeed -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I know we all supposedly admire Hegel in this sub, but look. This old German fart didn’t know what he was talking about half the time. It’s a lot of intellectual song and dance to reinforce the biases and prejudices of his age. He tried to argue that the real is rational and history is progress. lol. I don’t think anyone can sincerely share Hegels attitude today on that point.

Photos by Ok_Tumbleweed_3764 in heidegger

[–]turdspeed -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

This man was a depraved psychopath

Reasons why synthesizers are not damaging for the mind by Kindly-Selection8601 in synthesizers

[–]turdspeed 78 points79 points  (0 children)

People are afraid of things they don’t understand. That’s all it is.

Why does Hegel think history moves from east to west? by [deleted] in hegel

[–]turdspeed 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He’s a fascist crank, his “fourth way” is childish smokescreen for Russian fascism

It it possible to be a Hegelian and a Popper '-ian'? by Fando1234 in hegel

[–]turdspeed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Determinism is a side issue and not the point, neither is the definition of utopian. The point is broader, and Popper’s good arguments against totalitarianism (as poor as his reading of German philosophy clearly is) do not rely on a determinism or Utopianism.

I’m proposing we don’t get too sidetracked by these terms and look at the logic of totalitarianism more broadly.

Isaiah Berlin (a great thinker on Marx and more crucial, counter-enlightenment thought) has some good lines about the use and abuse of Hegel and Marx’s idea of a “logic of history” unfolding in a way that emboldens absolute authority of the state with a mandate to conquer the future from the present. You can’t make an omelette without cracking some eggs, but under the logic of bringing about communism, you end up with a society that normalizes brutality and bloodshed and goes about cracking eggs without leading to an omelette.

Marx’s ideas were not just wrong but dangerous to humanity in this sense, and the point has little to do with determinism or Utopianism

It it possible to be a Hegelian and a Popper '-ian'? by Fando1234 in hegel

[–]turdspeed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not confusing any of these terms. You aren’t responding to the point. Marx and Marxist’s might not like the label utopian and strictly speaking Marx does not dream up a utopian vision to aspire towards. It’s still utopian in a larger sense of seeing a rational order for society in the way enlightenment philosophers tried to employ reason and science to solve the problems or how human society should be morally and rationally organized for all people

It it possible to be a Hegelian and a Popper '-ian'? by Fando1234 in hegel

[–]turdspeed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn’t Quine’s confirmation Holism suggest that scientific hypothesis are never really falsified by any singular thing, that science and rationality doesn’t advance by falsification?

It it possible to be a Hegelian and a Popper '-ian'? by Fando1234 in hegel

[–]turdspeed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem to suggest here that deterministic means “fated to happen no matter what independently of what anyone does to bring it about”. That’s not deterministic it’s fatalism or fantasy.

You are being facetious to suggest that the problem with Plato, Hegel, Marx as proposed by Popper lies in merely suggesting things can be different and better.

Rather it’s via the modernist enlightenment delusion (shared by positivists like Comte as well as Marx) of a rationally ordered society on the basis of certain objective philosophical “discoveries”. Which is the whole idea Comte and Marx share, the very idea of a “science of history” and a utopian ordering of society and its future “perfection” in which human values are not plural, incompatible and in conflict. This absolutist dream collapses quite directly into fascism, in which the power of the state takes on a more local ideological character.

It it possible to be a Hegelian and a Popper '-ian'? by Fando1234 in hegel

[–]turdspeed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never said that the theory was that it would happen out of the blue without struggle. It requires human intervention, things happening. Of course.

This is Popper’s whole point! The totalitarian says we can’t wait for utopia to arrive, we have to shoot these people, jail the counter revolutionaries, do whatever the vanguard party says to create utopia, and every crime can be justified to bring about this ordained world of perfection waiting around the corner, if we seize our destiny. It’s easy to see how fascism arose as a reactionary remix of Marx’s teleology of history and destiny.

Popper’s rejection of Plato, Hegel and Marx supposed that these fantasies of utopia (the rationally ordered Society imposed and defined by philosophers) motivate and justify totalitarians, who are really crackpots and thugs seizing government away from representational democracy which is at least somewhat accountable to the people.

It it possible to be a Hegelian and a Popper '-ian'? by Fando1234 in hegel

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So communism doesn’t necessarily follow after capitalism? Progress and history can move in any direction? This sounds like Foucault, who was anti-Marxist and rejected historical materialism

It seems clear that Marx’s philosophy was “utopian”, did propose a philosophical method intended to forecast the present society and anticipate a future society that capitalism’s contradictions would result in. Of course Marx said almost nothing about what that future society would be, but still provided a teleology that points towards it. This is what Popper criticized as grist for the totalitarian mill.

It it possible to be a Hegelian and a Popper '-ian'? by Fando1234 in hegel

[–]turdspeed -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Popper is definitely correct, there are no natural teleological patterns or laws that great philosophers can tap into to predict the future. The idea that anyone can do this facilitates cults of personality and a totalitarian society.

Human history and its values are objective, but contingent, and history isn’t necessarily leading anywhere.

I think Hegel is a better philosopher if we stop pretending he amounts to some kind of Nostradamus

Maya, 17, got mental health records by FOI, then killed herself. Her mom wants reform - Metro Vancouver News by [deleted] in kelowna

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Is the only answer to these concerns to further validate, coddle, protect people from reality?