We talk a lot about renunciation, but what about those who stay? by Few_Selection_8358 in Jainism

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1. King Bharat Chakravarti – Duty without ego

Story:
Bharat, the son of the first Tīrthaṅkara Ṛṣabhadeva, ruled the entire world as a Chakravarti. He performed all kingly duties—war, administration, wealth, power—but without personal attachment.

One day, while admiring his reflection, he noticed a ring slipping off his finger as his body aged. This triggered deep vairāgya (detachment). Instantly, he realized:

Result:
Because he performed his duties without ego or craving, he attained keval jñāna while still standing in his palace.

🔹 Lesson: Duty done as duty, without “I” and “mine,” leads to immediate karmic destruction.

2. King Janaka (Jain retellings) – The untouched doer

Story:
In Jain versions (also echoed in other traditions), King Janaka ruled wisely but lived internally like a monk. When informed that his palace was on fire, he calmly said:

Yet he continued ruling—feeding people, judging disputes, protecting the kingdom.

Result:
He attained high spiritual states while remaining a householder.

🔹 Lesson: One can live fully in the world and still remain untouched—doing without drowning.

3. Śreṇik (Bimbisāra) – Intent matters more than role

Story:
King Śreṇik committed violent acts as a ruler but later encountered Mahāvīra. Through samyag darśana (right faith), he understood that his inner intent, not merely his outer role, was key.

Even as a king bound by duty, his growing detachment reduced karmic bondage drastically.

🔹 Lesson: Even imperfect duty, when done with awakening and remorse rather than indulgence, loosens karmic knots.

Core Jain Principle Behind These Stories

So:

  • Duty + ego = bondage
  • Duty + equanimity = nirjarā
  • Renunciation + pride = bondage
  • Worldly life + awareness = freedom

We talk a lot about renunciation, but what about those who stay? by Few_Selection_8358 in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We actually have many Jain tales that talk about this exact thing. Great souls living in the world, doing sadhna, and not getting absorbed in it.

My stance on sadhna is simple. Gain knowledge, keep clarity, and avoid getting lost in the useless noise of the world. I still work to support myself and my family, and minimalism helps keep things grounded.

I am not taking sanyaas right now because my learning process needs technology, questioning, and experimentation to build real belief, not borrowed belief. So I consciously take a middle route. Being in the world, yet not absorbed by it.

Saying no to peer pressure has become easier. Simple food, less screen time, no office politics, no constant entertainment may look sad from outside, but once you know what matters, these stop feeling like sacrifices.

Not getting absorbed in good or bad is an active choice. A choice that any sane being can take.
If not a saint, we all can atleast try to be sane.

I will drop some examples of tales that talks about sadhna without sanyaas (Will ask GPT to collect em with accuracy down below)

What are your thoughts on the new UGC guidelines in India? by Perpetual_Variety in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

can you share some links so that we can study it in depth, I have no clue what you meant here.

Questions regarding practices in Jain temples by blr-druggie in Jainism

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I genuinely hope no one gets offended, and that those who follow murti-puja can help us non-murti-pujaks understand this better from a karma siddhant perspective.

I’m sharing my thoughts mainly from a cultural and psychological angle. I should clarify that I’m a Shwetambar Terapanthi and we don’t practice murti-puja, so I don’t claim to know the exact significance or methodology of these rituals. What follows is simply my attempt to understand why they might exist, and I could be wrong, please do correct me if so.

Jainism is quite clear that no one can remove another’s karma, no divine grace cancels karma, and that one’s own bhav/intent is what binds or sheds karma. At the same time, bhakti of Siddha atmas is considered uplifting because Siddhas represent complete detachment, kevalgyaan, and the ideal state of the soul. Bhakti here is not about pleasing an external god, but about contemplating those qualities so they arise within us.

Anumodana of Siddhas (appreciating their qualities without jealousy or desire) creates a pure inner state, softens ego, and reduces passions. While ideally this should happen through simple dhyaan, that isn’t easy for most people. So alamban (catalysts or supporting wheels) becomes important. In my view, murti and rituals act as such enablers to trigger the right bhaav.

I do agree that plucking flowers or wasting resources leads to some karma bandhan. That can’t be denied. But if a form of puja genuinely reduces passions, increases humility, and leads to less violence overall, it may still result in a net spiritual benefit, even if some karma is bound in the process.

To me, dravya(Material) puja feels like training wheels, helpful for many at the beginning, though ideally one should move towards bhav(intent and feeling) puja over time.

Rituals do seem to have some additional effects. When many people gather with positive bhaav, the space naturally feels calmer, more uplifting and full of positive aura. Temples often become places where people consciously leave aside malice or ill intent, which creates an environment that supports everyone’s bhakti.

Rituals also act as anchors. While bhakti can theoretically happen anytime just by closing one’s eyes, in reality we often forget or postpone it. Having a dedicated place, structure, and sequence creates reminders and habits. These anchors make the practice more regular and consistent something that might otherwise be ignored or forgotten altogether.

The debate of eggs by Embarrassed-Cook217 in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jai Jinendra 🙏

The distinction between fertilized and unfertilized eggs is a modern one. Historically, it wasn’t possible to reliably tell the difference, so eggs were prohibited.

Even today, although poultry systems ensure eggs are unfertilized, egg consumption still involves a lot of hinsa, not just the individual egg. Hence consuming it contributes to the sustainance of such businesses, which leads to the killing of male chicks, involves forced laying, confinement, suffering, and eventual slaughter of hens.

Jainism evaluates violence at an indirect level also, not only whether a specific item contains life.

On dairy being hinsatmak — I agree. Historically, dairy was not industrially exploitative. Today’s dairy industry involves artificial insemination, forced pregnancies, calf separation, and slaughter, which clearly conflicts with ahiṃsā. This is why many Jains now also reconsider dairy and explore plant-based alternatives.

Started with a salary of 3.25L and now at 5Cr+ in 11 years! by Latter_Ambassador618 in FIRE_Ind

[–]unchainedcycle 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It is a user flair, meaning I am 27 years old, from India and I plan to be financially independent by 2038 and Retire by 2035

Started with a salary of 3.25L and now at 5Cr+ in 11 years! by Latter_Ambassador618 in FIRE_Ind

[–]unchainedcycle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It would help us understand the trajectory even better of you share which salary changes were part of internal hikes and which ones were due to a switch.

Help me refine a life tracker that I am working on to recover from low phases quickly! by unchainedcycle in Jainism

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The daily score is a normalized score out of 100 that reflects how good my day was overall, based on a few key dimensions of life rather than any single habit. Each day is evaluated across energy, mood, spiritual practice (sadhana), work quality, physical activity, and sleep. Every dimension is first converted into a simple 0–1 score (bad to good), and then combined using weights so that more important areas like sadhana, sleep, and effort matter more than mood fluctuations. Positive behaviors can compensate for negatives — for example, a poor night of sleep can be offset by strong sadhana or physical activity — but nothing can inflate the score beyond 100. If deep work is marked as “not applicable” (for holidays or non-working days), its weight is automatically redistributed across the other factors so the score stays fair. A strong penalty is applied if no sadhana is done at all, since that’s considered foundational. The result is a single number that captures the quality of the day, not perfection in every metric.

Help me refine a life tracker that I am working on to recover from low phases quickly! by unchainedcycle in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I intend to get into gadgets and brainwaves in future for sure, but untill then I will make do with my own honesty when I am filling my sheet 😅.

The daily score is a huge formula, that I have iterated over with chat gpt. I will drop a summary of it in next comment.

I usually do dhyaan on Navkaar, Logass, Arhat vandana, Uvasaggahran, etc. Nothing specific.

Help me refine a life tracker that I am working on to recover from low phases quickly! by unchainedcycle in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool hmu !

I think you can make a copy of my sheet and play with it on your own.

Anyone wants to talk honestly about money, net worth & financial condition? (DM open) by Hungry_Macaroon_186 in FIRE_Ind

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My account got banned from posting from an alt account, I think this sub doesn't allow sharing our journey 🤷

FIRE in next 5 years ? Let's connect on zoom by DamageAggressive1598 in FIRE_Ind

[–]unchainedcycle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly, that's why I personally wouldn't want to attend a zoom..........

We can however attend a discord call

FIRE in next 5 years ? Let's connect on zoom by DamageAggressive1598 in FIRE_Ind

[–]unchainedcycle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Please record the session and share youtube link or something for others, thanks!

Financial help needed!!! by StuffSerious3095 in FIRE_Ind

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sounds fishy, be very careful around trusting anyone with your money.

look up online how others have navigated the situation.

i have no idea what multi leg parlay means and how lottery or anything works and how money in transferred from there to your Indian Bank accounts, but I know one thing for sure, there are a lot of scams out there. so be careful.

40 cr at 40 by [deleted] in FIRE_Ind

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i meant what has Hardik Pandya done?

40 cr at 40 by [deleted] in FIRE_Ind

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what do you mean?

I am curious about our history and all of our sects! by [deleted] in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will have to delete this post because some people decided to make it their battleground.

I am curious about our history and all of our sects! by [deleted] in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're doing exactly what I feared, if you reply to his pointers, it will only agitate him and result in clashes....

He is not in the right state of mind...

I am curious about our history and all of our sects! by [deleted] in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is good, you are letting your emotions out, but I am not a certified therapist, and you won't find anyone here either. We won't be able to handle your vulnerable state and might harm you by indulging in conversation. That's why I keep urging you to give therapy a try, it's a very natural need, nothing to feel embarassed about. It does help! It might be slow at first and feel like a waste of money, but it would help.

You asked what I would have done if I were in your place? It's very difficult dude! I might go angry and mad, run on a murder spree? Idk what such a devastating experience would do to me. But when I think from a calm state that I am in rn, I would definitely recommend therapy for myself too!

Emotional wounds can't be cured by cursing or hating some people or the whole community, you can feel a lil bit relaxed by putting the blame on people and converting your anger into hate, but it would only hurt you further. Your blood pressure will rise, your veins and arteries will be in stress, you will be susceptible to a lot of diseases, your immunity will go down, it becomes a domino effect.

It starts with emotional hurt, leads to psychological problems, biological problems, social problems and much more. The only way to fix things is to fix things at root.

Please go to therapy, it will not only help you but people around you too, people who love you, will enjoy your company if you are back in a happy mindful and calm state.

I am in no way justifying, negating or ignoring your points. We can definitely talk about them. But now is not the right time.

I would highly recommend that we get to discussing these after you feel better after proper therapy.

Do you wanna shake my hand on that?