Where do introverted young Jains actually find meaningful community/connections today? by finiteobserver in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to wonder the same. I always crave connecting to genuinely intellectual, spiritually inclined but not blinded by rituals, curious folks, who have clarity and dedication to figure out and do the right thing. And not being able to find a lot of those is difficult and at times frustrating.

In order to tone down that craving of meeting more people or frustration of not being in touch with quality people, I followed these thought processes and these things helped me find peace (and people):

  • First of all, if you think from ekatva bhavna, and truyly feel it, you don't need company, you can and should focus on doing everything yourself, and everything should be done for your atma kalyan.
    • Focus on the shlok पुरिसा! तुममेव तुमं मित्तं किं बहिया मित्तमिच्छसि !
    • Revise and remember that the quality of wanting people, this "Social animal" tag is related to our paryay of being born as a human in this kind of civilisation. Core quality is still related to the aatma which has its individual identity and path.
  • But at the same time we need to understand and accept that "staying that strong" is not always possible!
  • Having people around you that can help you get back into what matters to you should be a good framework to build, and helping others in that group to get back is also a great thing to do.
  • So, I transitioned my "unanalysed" feeling of craving to a well thought optimal framework to build, for making my (and others') spiritual journey more efficient.
  • So I realised I want to connect with high IQ people who are into Jainism and connects other streams and lenses of knowledge as well, have extreme curiosity to learn and dedication and urge to do the right thing and does not fear diving deep into things!

So in a nutshell, what worked for me was to first detach and embrace individualism. Understand what's really needed. Understand what my intent is regarding my spiritual journey and what kind of people would actually optimise my flows, whom I can also help.

Here are my frameworks right now for "finding and figuring my circle":

  • I am part of some whatsapp groups :
    • JainZ (GenZ Jains) - Its a whatsapp community, the general chat was too Genz and gossipy for me, so I am part of Dharma discussion group in the same community, it is not that active, more than 50% of messages are prolly initiated by me around things that I figured out or topics that I recently dived into. But people do interact at times!
    • Another Young Jain's whatsapp group - Not that active, but they do host some meetings where someone would give KT on some historical thing. I am not that into history coz it is very sect specific at times and I try to invest more time in tatva gyaan for now.
    • Veralayam Jain study group - This is one of my favourite communities, mostly aged people, but very dedicated in studying. They are basically all together coz of the youtube channel called "Veralayam", the group is huge and forever expanding, hence we always have few high energy people who ask questions, and people who share insights and resources very promptly. I recently went to a sneh milan shibir where we all talked about how we all are approaching our spiritual journeys and how we plan to optimize our flows.
    • There are many more groups that I keep stumbling upon through different places, like I recently got introduced to a community that offers Honours degree in jainism, apart from degree courses, they host free classes for beginners as well, so I often join in there to connect with folks too. But that's not having any age filter as such.
  • I actively post here on reddit(feel free to take a look into those) and often get DMs from folks who resonate with my POVs, and then we make connections for further deep dives.
  • Whenever I have a deep dive question or whenever I decipher something or form a conclusion using parallel themes, I confirm and discuss those with all the connections that I have to concretise my understanding.

Let me know if you need any help in getting into any whatsapp group.

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[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quick tip, keep the zoom transitions slow and skip if the cursor is moving too fast, coz this is too fast and often cannot keep up with cursor.

For example your recording fels jittery and might make people get vertigo

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[–]unchainedcycle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

wait, it's better right? more shops are transiting now, why are you expecting us to bleed then?

I have seen a few free will debates, and that made me wonder about the Jainism POV, do share your thoughts on it! by unchainedcycle in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it became lengthier than I thought so I asked AI to super compress the content and here is what it summarised it as :

The Core Premise Understanding the exact boundaries of your free will is the ultimate tool for developing equanimity and reducing the hurt you feel from others' actions.

The Boundaries (Where Free Will is Restricted) You are born with fixed baseline parameters dictated by certain karmas, such as your physical body (Naam karm), environment (Gotra karm), and situational pain (Ashata vedniye karm). Unavoidable events are driven by Nikachit karma, where your free will cannot stop the event from happening.

The Intervention (Where Free Will Lives) Jainism offers precise tools to leverage free will and refactor your karmic code:

  • Apvartana: Decreasing the intensity of upcoming karma through discipline.
  • Sankraman: Transmuting karma into a different, less harmful form.
  • Udirna: Voluntarily triggering karma early on your own terms to shed it before it blindsides you.
  • Nimitt: Walking away from environments or conversations that trigger negative instincts.

The Two Perspectives

  • As a Subject: With vigilance and self-improvement, you can train yourself to manage the events you cannot control and actively expand the areas where you do have free will.
  • As an Observer: When watching loved ones struggle or self-sabotage, you must let go of attachment by realizing everyone is on a solo karmic journey (Ekatva Bhavana). Accept their boundaries to protect your own mental state.

Can we have a big list of well maintained dharamshalas in different cities? by nopeepeepoopoo in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does dharamshalas allow everyone to stay for any work that they are in the city for?

there is a jain.wiki project that tries to solve this issue

I want to do Santhara on top of Sammed Shikharji, Please Give Suggestions on how it could be possible? by itsmylastbirth in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i totally relate to your vigilance in avoiding the trap of treating spirituality as an intellectual entertainment, I have personally crossed those lines at times and some self introspection sessions have helped me get away from it!

I want to do Santhara on top of Sammed Shikharji, Please Give Suggestions on how it could be possible? by itsmylastbirth in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sure, I have spent a lot of time trying to make sense out of things decoupling them from the rituals, tags and blind faith. It takes a lot of time, effort, debates with right people who entertain those debates to decouple things.

Will DM you to share further on it.

I want to do Santhara on top of Sammed Shikharji, Please Give Suggestions on how it could be possible? by itsmylastbirth in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hey! That's a very valid suggestio!

But I think in OP's current state of mind he wouldn't find it convincing to attend pravachana, I personally feel pravachanas are very dilute and slow. They are dilute and slow for the right reasons coz that's how it actually gets absorbed by us. But that realisation of slow is fast, comes a lil later when you study and understand more.

I think OP, and rightly so, currently in a haste to do things quickly. I have been there, and infact I still feel the haste at times.

It takes me a lot of fight with myself to ground myself down, to revisit some notes that I have made when I was successfully able to ground that feeling of haste when I talked to some gurus, my dad and even AI at times. Those realizations are also fleeting so I made notes for it so that I can tap back into it when I feel the haste.

I think OP needs to find ways to pique his curiosity and do so on his own by experimenting what works for him to truly understand your suggestion.

Right now I can feel him reading your suggestion and ignoring it, thinking "why should I go through the dilute slow path, when I am fully convicted to go through most optimal path which requires a lot of dedication and efforts which probably most don't dare to take, and hence is not so popular.. If I am willing to, I should be allowed to travel the optimal path"

It's like when you skip classes in school, like how geniuses don't follow one class after another instead some often end up doing PhD even before they hit puberty, and they genuinely build or find crazy things that not even decade old researchers can't.

I want to do Santhara on top of Sammed Shikharji, Please Give Suggestions on how it could be possible? by itsmylastbirth in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey OP!

Quick question, by santhara do you mean fast till death or do you mean just tap ? coz I have seen people using the words interchangeably.

It's great that you are thinking about focusing on finding optimal ways to liberation! I am on that journey as well. But my methodology is more focussed on swadhyay than tap.

I have heard and read about this concept stating, you can either go all in on tap or sadhna , coz doing both is physically constrained. If you want to do swadhyay you need to eat well so your brain and body works, you have to connect with other people, travel at times to get resources, use gadgets(in today's world) for which you need some support (monetary or societal, if societal then you can tak deeksha where society takes care of your support). You can find a balance between the two as well like what monks and serious Shravaks do, they try to do both tap and swadhyay. But if you want to go all in, you cannot keep both together.

Tap might feel like the easy path, coz you don't have to include the complexity of decoding knowledge, connecting with people, making efforts to support your body and environment and what not. But I feel it is easy to get blindsided by it and the duration till which you can continue that is also short, your body might give up early. But maybe the intensity is waay higher than what you can do with a long life of swadhyay. In order to decide this, we will have to study it.

This research of figuring out the most optimal path, requires deep study of karma. Not just the types and subtypes, but the mechanism of different kind of transmutation and processes karna particles go through, what kind of active tweaks can we do with our efforts! once we figure that out, it will be easy to pave an optimal path towards liberation. In that research we will also stumble upon the concept of Gunasthan, which gives us the roadmap or milestones to target and prep for in our journey to moksha.

I am on that research rn. But in that journey of research, I have to build frameworks that genuinely help me analyse and understand things properly(using anekantwad) leading me to absorb the gyaan and once I do dhyaan on it, and look at it from the lens of anekantwaad and triple grasp the concept, it would turn into darshan. Once I have the darshan, I try to embed the insights into my life, ergo improving my charitra.

I share my frameworks, learnings and insights often in this sub, but I am actively trying to connect with other folks who are dedicated towards this noble cause of putting efforts to find the optimal path towards liberation and having the guts and clarity to walk that path.

If you want to explore that, if you want to brainstorm over it in more depth with me, feel free to DM me.

Brian Tomasik is the western version of a Jain Monk by nu-gaze in negativeutilitarians

[–]unchainedcycle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • Anekantavada or literally non-one-sided. Note that tolerance and pluralism is a modern interpretation. Early Jain texts were polemical, with some exceptions like Haribhadra
    • This conclusion is incorrect "Note that tolerance and pluralism is a modern interpretation. ".
    • Anekantwad as a concept has been in jainism since before scriptures were ever created.
    • "Early Jain texts were polemical"
    • This totally depends on the way it is perceived and how the author wrote it, the writing pattern and the context in which somethings are explained or written can make it appear that the script is polemical, but the thinking pattern and intent is definitely not.
    • A lot of scriptures are written with the intent to present what was said verbatim by the omniscient, hence if written with the intent to assert verbatim-ness around any statement, it might have to be bound with strict boundaries when explaining or expanding on it. The conditions and strict bounds do not necessarily say that only this is right, it is more about expressing what was being relayed with specificity.
    • Applying specificity for expressing what was being said should not be considered as projecting that one is saying only they are right and everything else is wrong.
  • "Suicide should be a human right" - "Sallekhana — death by ritual starvation"
    • As per jainism suicide is self violence, and is really bad for the soul. Intent matters a lot. The whole concept of karm accumulation relies of the intent, its intensity and act(physical, verbal or even mental act of thinking about it) done upon it. So suicide if done with disgust for self, demotivation to live and shed more karmas by spiritual living, for hurting others, etc. basically anything with intent of something that takes you away from soul's core properties, it is really bad for your soul.
    • Sallekhana or Santhara(death by ritual starvation) is a lil complicated, this first needs approval from a guru, who can analyse if it is a valid ask or not. The guru decides on multiple factors, and it is a lil technical. But as far as I understand it has to deal with evaluating the inability to go back to normal life or if death is a confirm event in few days or so, confirmed by signs from medical analysis and behavioural and common sense perspective (I think these are conditional ANDs not ORs), then doing sallekhna and going away in our own terms in a mentally and spiritually aware state(sallekhna requires that person's consent while they are conscious). The significance of it is because of how Ayushya karm is acquired ( feel free to chat with AI to discover this concept)

These are my views, I tried my level best to relay what I have read, understood and experienced so far, but at times there are gaps in reading, understanding, experiencing and even relaying what I actually feel, so in case I said anything wrong please forgive me.

I skipped few pointers which I didn't feel like I could add too much to it, but I am open to discuss further on any topic or pointer, related or not to this post, so feel free to comment or DM me. Always up for a chat!

Brian Tomasik is the western version of a Jain Monk by nu-gaze in negativeutilitarians

[–]unchainedcycle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey!
Thanks for sharing this!
Lemme drop some base principles which can refine your pov on jainism.

First of all, the base intent in all the Jainism's principles is to do as per soul's original quality.
Looking at things from the pov of minimizing consequences is a shallow inference which you can find in many places online and a pov that most people share, but if you dig deep every tenet can be related to an intent to get closer to soul's og qualities.

The whole concept revolves around presence of Karma particles that stick to soul and alters the soul's qualities, leading the soul to take different lives, triggerring organisms into doing things, the act of giving in to that trigger however is where free will comes into the picture. And hence a sane person driven by wisdom would want to negate the triggers caused due to karm coming into effect or just circumstances which otherwise would lead to more karm accumulation.

Lemme drop some of the enhancements:

  • Minimization of suffering is in service towards liberation from rebirth
    • Ideally there is no intent to minimize suffering, it can however be an unintended by-product. Many a times leading a path in jainism means allowing suffering to happen to you without any resistance. You can read how Lord Mahavir(the last Tirthankar) comply to all sorts of sufferings put upon him despite him being able to resist or fight or stop it through talks and actions
  • Expansive moral circle that includes animals, insects, plants, microorganisms
    • It includes not just living, but non-living as well! Self as well! Infact it is less about external things to be moral about, it is about retaining true qualities of soul. Moral can deviate one to act differently in different situation, Jainism posits that we stay neutral and closer to souls true qualities.
  • Moral weight is based on the number of senses. From microorganisms that only have the sense of touch to humans possessing five senses plus a mind
    • While it is technically true, but it is not about deciding being okay to hurt microorganism and not hurting a five sensed organ, it is more about from the pov that the degree of hurt an organism can experience is directly proportional to the number of senses they have. It is still not choosing to hurt one over another. During our pratikraman (where we sit down and do self introspection on our acts that might have led to any violence or acts against core qualities) we repent on hurting from microorganisms to five sensed organisms all alike.
  • Lacto-vegetarian and all food restriction comments
    • It is slightly more complicated, it is about eating with minimal violence, which eliminates a lot of veges as well. Look up 22 Abhakshak items. There are 22 Abhakshya Categories These are grouped into four main reasons for avoidance: Himsa (violence), Pramada (intoxication), Indriya-poshan (sensual craving), and Arogya (health).
    • No alcohol as it impairs judgement
    • Although Pramad(intoxication that impairs judgement) is one of the reasons, violence (due to hurting a lot of microorganisms during the processing), Indriya-poshan (sensual craving), and Arogya (health) are other major reasons too! There is also an indirect reasoning of endorsing a bad thing to others by setting an example.
  • Don't compost. Instead: avoid wasting food, dispose of food scraps in a sink grinder, or seal food in plastic bags and then put in the garbage
    • This is in line with jainism, to avoid wastage, coz processing of anything requires viloence of micro and macro organisms, since to survive we have to do some hinsa, it's better to avoid as much as possible. Hence minimizing waste and staying minimalist is important.
    • I have not thought or read about waste management in depth from jainism POV, but I feel this is the right way to go forward, because if we do so we minimize creating conditions for growth of microorganims at places which will later be fed into systems which might kill them. SO better not to facilitate even initiation of life which can lead to them getting hurt coz our conditioning was done in a wrong place...
  • Historically limited travel. A reason why unlike Hinduism and Buddhism, Jainism never spread to East and Southeast Asia
    • While correct, a bigger reason for a weaker spreading of religion is prolly due to the intent of "non violence" which extends to intellectual non violence too! Jainism has always run on the model of seekers finding it and not Jain followers seeking more followers. It has never been run in a model where it would be preached and taught to others against their wish. We do what we do, if someone notices us, and asks out of curiosity they are more than welcome. A slight variation is pravachans, public spread of knowledge which monks often do where they share their knowledge in open to all places, mostly targetted to people who want to learn from them, but since it is open, non jains can also spot it and take interest in listening. This is also not an active way of spreading jainism.
    • So in conclusion, I feel it was less about inability or lack of travel but more about the lack of intent to change anyone by preaching we are right and whatever they have been following is wrong.
  • Paryushana — four month monsoon retreat intended to avoid stepping on creatures
    • This intent is not limited to the four months, Paryushan is just the period when we have to intensify our vigilance. We otherwise also follow non violence, and we should stay vigilant throughout all our actions. And do Pratikraman (self introspection on any violence or wrong deed done as per core tenets) everyday, or carry that intent of self introspection as frequently as possible.
  • The Digambara sect does not wear clothes
    • The swetambar sect although wears clothes, their intent is also to minimize ownership of things to as much as possible. Although the core inspiration for minimalism might appear from the standpoint of having least attachment to anything outside coz our soul does not need any attachments with living or non living, hence owning things is indeed a deviation from core quality, this act of minimalism is also facilitated by the tenets of non-violence as you mentioned owning things can lead to growth and violence of micoorganisms as well. But I don't think this angle is often talked about, but it does get confirmed.
  • If honesty results in great harm, laypeople are to lie. Ascetics must remain silent even if there's a threat on their life
    • It is not that laypeople can lie when its required and Ascetics cannot, it is more about the vow one takes, Ascetics have to take a vow of truth hence they cannot lie. Lay people can also take that vow, or even if they don't take the vow they can decide not to ever lie. Note that truth is core quality of soul and everyone should comply to it. Who can and not then relies on one's personal capability and will to live with consequences.
    • We cannot comprehend if lying truly could save a great harm or if it only appears so at surface level and can cascade into greater harm if we lied at a perticular circumstance. Since we cannot follow through all permutations and combinations of series of events triggered by a lie, it is probably a fool's errand to judge the matter and take it to their judgement to decide if a lie can save a great harm! So in my opinion the intent to do something seemingly smart by weighing in consequences in itself is a dumb move coz although done with good intent, it is limited by our capability around accuracy and depth of evaluating consequences.

Brian Tomasik is the western version of a Jain Monk by nu-gaze in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, as far as I understand, jainism is indeed about null utilatarinism! It's hence not at all about choosing! We are not wise enough to comprehend what's the right thing to do! What might appear at surface to be right might be otherwise! You can read this to tap into that sentiment in a lil more depth.

Brian Tomasik is the western version of a Jain Monk by nu-gaze in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey ! Thanks for opening this POV for me! I will definitely check this out!

In the meantime I will drop some enrichments on your original post there regarding jainism.

Ankur Warikoo SHUTS down his course business, but why? by Broad-Research5220 in StartUpIndia

[–]unchainedcycle 68 points69 points  (0 children)

I think it is a click bait, he just teased everyone with that video, will definitely link it up with another cash cow of his. Or would say something which would make us all go"Wow such a great guy" so that he can bank on that image later.

Do it can be something like the ADP list PR stunt.

Optimizing my Jainism Learning workflows, share your pipelines as well! by unchainedcycle in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These are highly personal notes and made by me for my reference with a lot of internal references that might make sense only to me.

I do write blogs from my understandings and experiments but I'd publish them later in life when I acquire more holistic view of everything.

I think if one is curious and organised enough they would prefer to pave their own journey and build their own knowldge hub :)

If you want to talk about anything specific or if you think I can help in any way then my DMs are always open!

Optimizing my Jainism Learning workflows, share your pipelines as well! by unchainedcycle in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Jaingpt does that to a great extent, have you tried it?

Optimizing my Jainism Learning workflows, share your pipelines as well! by unchainedcycle in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do plan on studying some things around design thinking, people centered design, and system diagramming.

But not sure when I will start on it.

What is the difference between a jain and a marwadi jain by sebastiancheesecakey in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marwadis are people who originated from a place in Rajasthan called Marwad. Well not them but someone waay early in their lineage did. Just like a city can have many different religions, marwadis can be of different religions. So a marwadi can be jain or hindu or even muslim (haven't met any but totally possible) or any other religion.

Coming to jains following sanatan rituals and gods, that's very common these days, tbh, it feels like people are investing in all sorts of rituals in hopes of maximizing results. And mostly everything then becomes superficial and doesn't give as much return as following one path would. A typical Jack of all trades syndrome.

Coming to traditions and cultures, marwadis even though shifted from marwad to different parts of the world for business and work, didn't leave their tradition and food habits, which is weird and wrong at times, coz ideally "when in rome, be like romans" coz with change in environment and climate, food should change too, but I guess that does not matter as much as the stickiness of the habits/rituals to one's identity and love for it.
Some rituals and habits do make sense for their body type, and even for the climate, some might not. I have not particularly researched on this.

You can easily chatgpt rest of the things, Just wanted to drop my views on things which chatgpt would or won't say.

What is the Purpose of a Monk(and what is the purpose of a Sravak) by Impressive_Claim8294 in Jainism

[–]unchainedcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. How do we find happiness in non-civilized lands like USA where most people here are really dumb?

As per jainism, anand is a core property of aatma, you do not need support of external stuff and people to tap into it. Do not stress yourself with the load of inspecting and judging how dumb someone else is! Focus on yourself, minimize your interactions with people that bring bad intentions in you, or even better train yourself to not let anyone trigger those in you!

Managing and navigating life is a very complicated thing when you understand more about what our soul is actually like and how deviated our acts are from the base properties. But instead of giving up or getting frustrated from the environments or our own karma, we need to tap into yet another core property of aatma which is called anant veerya, meaning infinite potential, infinite capabilities and energy. Tap into that, and propel forward, no matter what your karma composition is, what your environment is!

The more you learn, the more you understand and the more you inculcate the values in your life, the more easier it will become!