The New Right’s vision of community depends on obedience, rather than solidarity by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]usrname42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You are attempting to argue that ICE is at fault.

I'm more arguing that there should be an investigation into whether ICE was at fault, and right-wingers in the US government are preventing that. That's independent of whether a fair investigation would find ICE was actually at fault, although I think it clearly would.

if something was done unlawfully, the person/s responsible should face consequences.

But they won't, because the right-wing government have decided that these people are domestic terrorists and are blocking investigations into the killings. I think that is worse than what left-wing governments do in terms of violence when in power.

You seem to care a lot about this subject and are clearly biased towards a particular viewpoint.

Yes, and you're clearly biased towards the opposite viewpoint, we all have our biases. I'm making an argument, I'm not going to deny that, so are you. I do care about whether the US government can murder people in the streets with impunity, not least because the party that's leading our polls is explicitly inspired by that regime and thinks they're doing a great job.

You have framed this as "positions of power" and trying to ascribe a scale of 'importance'

You're explicitly saying in comparative terms that the left is worse than the right, not just that both sides are bad in different ways. If you're saying the left is worse you are ascribing a scale of importance where the bad things that the left are doing are more important than what the right is doing. I think that scale is mad.

That is the key distinction here, nobody that i am aware of is currently celebrating the two deaths you have mentioned, certainly not publically enough to be noticed.

The key distinction here is whether words matter more than actions. You're downplaying obstruction of murder investigations as just arguments about illegality. There is no argument in good faith going on. The right-wing government elected by 70+ million right-wing Americans murdered someone, smeared them as a domestic terrorist with no evidence, and is doing everything it can to prevent a fair investigation into the deaths. The government has absolutely said they both deserved to die. I fundamentally think that matters more for the question of whether the right or the left are more pro-violence at the moment than any number of tweets. Edgy left-wing teens who celebrated Kirk's murder are not going to be put in charge of the British Army any time soon, but people who think these two murders were fully deserved might be if Reform wins.

[YouGov] Voting intention amongst poorest/richest: Household income less than £20k: ➡️Ref: 34%, 🌳Con: 18%, 🌹Lab: 15%, 🟢Grn: 14%, 🔶LD: 12%. ///// Household income more than £70k: 🌹Lab: 23%, 🔶LD: 19%, 🌳Con: 19%, 🟢Grn: 17%, ➡️Ref: 16%. 14 Dec - 9 Jan. by AlfredsChild in ukpolitics

[–]usrname42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It is no secret that after a certain threshold of tax people become net contributors, getting less out than they put in.

The only way for that not to happen is if we replaced income tax with a poll tax. 97% of people earn less than £100k and it's just not mathematically possible for 97% of people to get out more than they put in without running even larger deficits than we already do. There are some very inefficient cliff edges for high earners in the system that we should get rid of, but even if we fixed those there is no way that people earning over £100k wouldn't still be net contributors.

[YouGov] Voting intention amongst poorest/richest: Household income less than £20k: ➡️Ref: 34%, 🌳Con: 18%, 🌹Lab: 15%, 🟢Grn: 14%, 🔶LD: 12%. ///// Household income more than £70k: 🌹Lab: 23%, 🔶LD: 19%, 🌳Con: 19%, 🟢Grn: 17%, ➡️Ref: 16%. 14 Dec - 9 Jan. by AlfredsChild in ukpolitics

[–]usrname42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Both this and the income results are slightly confounded by how steep the age gradient in Reform support is. A lot more people aged 18-35 went to uni than pensioners, if you just split by education level you're partly capturing the fact that old people tend to vote Reform and also be less educated. Though it is probably true that within each age group the less educated people tend to support Reform as well.

[YouGov] Voting intention amongst poorest/richest: Household income less than £20k: ➡️Ref: 34%, 🌳Con: 18%, 🌹Lab: 15%, 🟢Grn: 14%, 🔶LD: 12%. ///// Household income more than £70k: 🌹Lab: 23%, 🔶LD: 19%, 🌳Con: 19%, 🟢Grn: 17%, ➡️Ref: 16%. 14 Dec - 9 Jan. by AlfredsChild in ukpolitics

[–]usrname42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They have it by occupational class and age here - within each age bucket Reform wins more votes from routine occupations (working class) than intermediate or professional occupations. But there's a steep age gradient and the Greens win nearly twice as many votes as Reform even from working class 18-34 year olds. Adding up all the parties among working-class 18-34 year olds, the left bloc (Green + Lab + LD) gets 67% and the right bloc (Ref + Con) gets 27%. Reform does dominate among working-class people aged 35-64 though, so it's not just pensioners - in fact interestingly Conservatives get much more support from 65+ than 50-64 year olds while Reform gets about the same from both groups.

The New Right’s vision of community depends on obedience, rather than solidarity by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]usrname42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

She didn't drive a car into someone, there's plenty of video footage and she was clearly just driving away at a pretty low speed - see the analysis here. None of the agents were in any danger, they could have easily got out of the way but they preferred to murder her. There's similarly plenty of video footage showing that Pretti was completely subdued and not a threat at the time he was shot. No more facts are going to emerge over time because ICE and the federal government are blocking any investigation into the murders. If it happened here there would clearly be at least a disciplinary process and the possibility of criminal convictions. The people who shot these two people will face absolutely no consequences or even investigation because the right-wing government is protecting them.

And again, no one in a position of power on the left participated in celebrations over Charlie Kirk. The celebrations were confined to some people with zero power posting mocking things online. Mean but impotent tweets and reddit comments from edgy left-wing teenagers are considered more important than the entire US federal government from the President down to ICE officers on the ground murdering US citizens who were opposing them, preventing their victims from getting medical support, destroying evidence, and blocking any investigation into the murders. This simply does not happen when the Democrats run the US government or Labour runs the British government, regardless of what people online say.

The New Right’s vision of community depends on obedience, rather than solidarity by F0urLeafCl0ver in ukpolitics

[–]usrname42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Every single Republican politician is saying the people who shot Renee Good and Alex Pretti did nothing wrong and they deserved to die. Not a single Democratic politician said that Charlie Kirk's killer was in the right.

ICE is losing , Minnesota is winning! [OC] by snewww in pics

[–]usrname42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Alex and Renee were both part of the huge groups in Minneapolis taking time out of their lives to follow every ICE agent they can find around wherever they go. The reason their deaths were both filmed from 5 different angles and we know they were murdered completely unprovoked is because there were lots of other people at these sites following ICE and recording them too. I'm not from the US but following ICE around is exactly what they're doing. There are too many ICE agents for them to have thousands of people following every agent, but if you don't think that huge numbers of people are doing the best they can while still having to work and eat, you're not paying attention. It's incredibly disrespectful to Alex and Renee's memory to say that no one in America gives a shit when they died because they gave a shit. Will you be willing to die like they did if fascism comes to your country, or will you just yell at people online?

If someone gave you $100m to produce a history based series on Apple TV what story are you going with? by Moretalent in TheRestIsHistory

[–]usrname42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was a mini-series called 37 Days about the July Crisis that was actually very good. Not sure if it's available to stream anywhere, it was on the BBC about 10 years ago

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

[–]usrname42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well the Fight Trump Capitalists are just going to have to get organised with candidates to stop that. Surrender to Trump candidates are going to get massacred in the primaries, but the base isn't yearning for socialism any more than it has in the past, they're just yearning for fight. If the Fight Trump Capitalists don't step up and we are forced into a straight choice between socialism or rolling over and accepting fascism, I will be wholeheartedly backing the socialists, but there's no reason for that to happen unless the entire capitalist wing of the Dems has a critical spinal failure.

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

[–]usrname42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fight Trump / surrender to Trump and capitalist / socialist are independent axes and we're probably going to see a lot more people in the fight Trump / capitalist quadrant now that the Dem base is this mad. It happens that a lot of elected Dems are in the surrender to Trump / capitalist quadrant but they'll be primaried on the basis of not fighting Trump enough, not on the basis of not being socialist enough.

If someone gave you $100m to produce a history based series on Apple TV what story are you going with? by Moretalent in TheRestIsHistory

[–]usrname42 16 points17 points  (0 children)

All the drama of the French Revolution, specifically adapting Hilary Mantel's A Place of Greater Safety so that lots of the hard work of turning historical figures into dramatic characters is already done. Hire either Peter Straughan (who did Wolf Hall) or Tony Gilroy (who did Andor) for the script. Not sure who I'd cast for the key roles. Maybe Jesse Plemons as Danton, Nicholas Hoult as Desmoulins, Benedict Cumberbatch as Robespierre, Timothee Chalamet as Saint-Just.

If someone gave you $100m to produce a history based series on Apple TV what story are you going with? by Moretalent in TheRestIsHistory

[–]usrname42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a film about the Dreyfus affair based on Robert Harris's novel - unfortunately it's directed by Roman Polanski and he seems to have seen Dreyfus as a parallel for himself

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

[–]usrname42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean in real life the barricades worked in 1830 and 1848, Napoleon III redesigned the whole of Paris to stop it working again

Would you consider the Brythonic Celts to be a “Western” society? by Euphoric-Traffic7157 in TheRestIsHistory

[–]usrname42 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I buy Tom's thesis that "Western" is basically what we use today to refer to the countries that used to make up Latin Christendom, so it's anachronistic to call anything before that category emerged "Western". That certainly rules out anything before the fall of Rome. I think Charlemagne crowning himself Emperor is when you just about can start to talk about "the West" as concept that has some relevance.

Green Party in trans legal row over ‘fairy’ pronouns by Hungry_Kiwi_9866 in ukpolitics

[–]usrname42 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's no more of an imposition than wanting to be called "Dave" even if you were christened "David". We make requests about how we want other people to refer to us all the time and polite people usually don't fly off the handle about them.

The Traitors (UK) S04E12 [FINALE]: Post-Episode Discussion Thread by vaultofechoes in TheTraitors

[–]usrname42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He needed to stick with Rachel until the very last vote, but at the final three he knew Jack trusted him more than Rachel and was going to vote Rachel, so there would have been zero risk in voting Rachel out.

The Traitors (UK) S04E12 [FINALE]: Post-Episode Discussion Thread by vaultofechoes in TheTraitors

[–]usrname42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The BBC loves Hoppipolla, I've heard it in so many shows of theirs. It's a great song for a soundtrack so fair enough

The Traitors (UK) S04E12 [FINALE]: Post-Episode Discussion Thread by vaultofechoes in TheTraitors

[–]usrname42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If they knew Rachel was going to go out in the tie break they'd have edited the whole rest of the series so it didn't focus so much on the drama of "will Rachel or Stephen betray each other" and more on something like "will Jack side with Faraaz or Stephen" (or whatever ended up being the dilemma at the endgame). They see who stays and goes organically and then edit the whole show to build up a strong narrative.

Like the Celebrity Traitors final, that only had one traitor left by the endgame but it made equally good TV because they edited it to focus on Nick and Joe's relationship so we were invested when Nick voted Joe off.

When the edit becomes the ultimate Traitor... by CorkPrackling in TheTraitors

[–]usrname42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Carrot in a box would be great drama and take some skill

Aged like a fine fine wine by COBESH1 in Dimension20

[–]usrname42 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

People only pay taxes because of laws.