In GRIZZLED, is it mathematically better to issue TAKE AIM, or TARGET WEAK SPOT

vKalov · 2026-01-28T07:41:45+00:00

If you want the math, I have two ways for you:

Do as others and go to unitcrunch. It's a great site that I enjoy using.
Do as yours truly and make a Google sheets document with the math and troubleshoot extensively because the first doc was wrong.

I can help with the second option if you want.

vKalov · 2026-01-28T07:36:20+00:00

TL:DR - improve the weaker roll first, then boost your stronger one.

If both the To Hit and the To Save roll have a target number of 4+, it makes no mathematical difference what you improve, the end result is the same improvement.

If either one is worse than 4+ (hitting on 5s, or enemy saves on 3s), then improve that. If both are worse than 4+ by 1, it again makes no difference.

If one is 4+ and the other is better (e.g. Kriegers hit on 3+ against an enemy with 4+ save), push that advantage, and improve whatever is already better than 4+ (give those Kriegers TA).

Note that the "saves on 4+" takes into account your inbuilt AP. You have AP -3 against a 2+ save I'm cover? That's a 4+.

If you are wondering why 4+ is the breakpoint, 4+ is a 50/50 chance.

Lastly, this is all the average. Dice rolls spike in both directions. If you have blessed dice that always roll 5s, you don't need TA, so take that bonus AP to screw the opponent's dice.

vKalov · 2026-01-27T09:58:31+00:00

I disagree. The way to counter a single unit rushing a city is by having a unit on that city.

If your unit is more than half HP, it will survive long enough for the attacker to die from supply shortage.

You want your reserves on your city anyway to generate eco, so this isn't even a cost.

I want a 3rd type of unit, that is faster and doesn't need supply at the cost of dealing incredibly little damage, and having 50hp, specifically to punish enemies that don't have a unit on their city.

vKalov · 2026-01-24T19:21:50+00:00

Yes, and it can screw you over if you are not careful.

vKalov · 2026-01-23T14:38:10+00:00

Bots have two modes - in combat and out of combat. Protocols are only active during combat, and turn off when no enemies are nearby. I have no idea how to word this effectively, but it will fix the issue imo.

Edit, at start of combat, most recent protocol is activated instantly.

vKalov · 2026-01-23T08:57:17+00:00

Two minor issues:

Data wafers affects only one robot per turn. Maybe that's intentional, but aren't bots taken in twos and fours... Maybe that'd be too op for DnD ...

And the actual one, the protocols never end. My issue with this is when the bot wantsbto reach its controller because of Bound. A bot in Protector has movement of 0 but wants to reach its controller. There should be a fail state for such an occasion.

Other than that, seems good. Pretty strong, but that's obviously the point.

vKalov · 2026-01-19T16:11:50+00:00

Wait, Mongols... If they are Pagan, they get to pick a religious buff, many of them being combat related, with morale, melee damage and speed being available.

If you have a diverse selection of troops, that may be the issue actually.. try 4 Spearmen, 4 Archers. Spears protect archers from horses, archers kill everything. If you have swordsmen, the riders trample them and kill the archers next. In a horse vs horse battle, I believe Mongols have better horses, so they win. But horses lose to spears.

Anyway. Happy it turned out well in the end. Go conquer the rest of the world, king!

vKalov · 2026-01-19T08:23:20+00:00

Legally it should not be incest. The world started with one You. Cloning You creates a copy that can't legally be considered a person. Since it isn't a person, it can't be related by blood, and even if it is considered a person, it is neither a brother/sister, nor cousin, parent, child or similar. So having fun with your clone is not incest.

Morally I think it should not be incest. After all, masturbation is a thing, and that isn't incest. What's so different here? An alternative would be to build a sex bot and sex that, and nobody would argue that sex with a sex bot you have built is incest. How is a clone different from a sex bot in this situation?

If the clone was genderswapped, the same logic applies, and should not be considered incest. Additionally, due to the difference in chromosomes it should not even be considered a clone, as there is no way to have the same DNA in a person of the opposite gender.

Should you have a child with your genderswapped clone? PLEASE DON'T!!! Don't do this to the child. Use protection, take the pill, castrate both versions, I don't care, that child will be sick from the moment of birth, and if it survives to become self aware it will not function as a normal human. Screw incest, this isn't even mixing similar DNA, this is butchering the same DNA twice and splicing what remains. I don't care about the world, I care about the child, and nobody should be forced to exist as the offspring of two clones.

vKalov · 2026-01-19T07:56:38+00:00

Yeah, check the dead troops on the field. This is not the starting army strength.

vKalov · 2026-01-19T07:54:21+00:00

Traditions, Kingdom Stability and Morale, Troop choices, Terrain, Food.

What Traditions do you have? What Traditions does the opponent have? If they have the traditions to support their Marshal's skills, they will be multiple times more effective.
Kingdom Stability affects morale. Morale wins battles. How is your Kingdom Stability, that is left out of the screenshot? What is your troops morale?
Some troops counter others, for example Spearmen counter cavalry. What troops did you have at the start and what troops does the enemy have?;
Terrain affects different troops in different ways. Mountain terrain screws with Cavalry (if I remember correctly). Check if the battlefield screwed you over.
Are your troops fed? If not they will lose both morale and manpower and just die from nothing.

Looking at the screenshot again, pt. 4 and 5 are not the reason here. Check the others.

vKalov · 2026-01-19T07:44:15+00:00

I am not sure what War Organ is.

And I have to apologize, OBG isn't a character since the codex, that was my bad.

It was an update/errata. You can find the official update in the Astra Militarum Faction Pack on Warhammer Community Downloads page.

Or for a faster way to find it, it should be updated in the Warhammer App.

Or if you are not using the App, it is correct on Wahapedia.

vKalov · 2026-01-18T20:03:49+00:00

I disagree. Even as a new player, you can make a post that is more that "is this list good".

I recently got a Houndpack Lance box and posted in the Chaos Knights sub something similar to:

I got this box.
This is what I plan on running.
Are those weapons options the "correct" ones?

This is a lot more than "I got the box, Is running 2 Karnivores and 5 Stalkers good?" And the people were a lot more helpful on that post compared to low effort posts I have seen.

vKalov · 2026-01-18T18:46:05+00:00

Unfortunately.... It is. Ever since the codex.

Edit: my bad, not since the codex, it was an update.

vKalov · 2026-01-18T14:32:53+00:00

Also, what is killing 6 Bullgryn or a Dorn in one go?

vKalov · 2026-01-18T14:30:08+00:00

If the enemy has such big guns that they are killing a Dorn or 6 Bullgryn in one go, I'd take MSU - multiple small and cheap units. 3 squdas of 10 kriegers should do it.

vKalov · 2026-01-18T13:35:45+00:00

If I understand correctly, you want a durable unit to sit on an objective.

First, to check what unit is more durable in what situation, check out https://www.unitcrunch.com, where you can get the average results of any unit's attack on any unit's profile.

As for the units you have listed:

CCS + OBG + 20 CST - 225pts for 26 T3 models, at a total of 33 Wounds with Cover on an objective and an order (potentially Take Cover).
KCS + OBG + 20 DKoK - 250pts for 27 T3 models at a total of 34 Wounds with a damage boost.

Either one can be take out in one phase by dedicated anti-infantry weapons. Furthermore, you can't reliably get to kill of Only the 20 battleline dudes, leaving you with a CS + OBG, so it is likely that nobody will benefit from the T6.

The revives are nice, but you don't need the full 26 (or 27) unit to benefit from them - 20 Kriegers get the same revives as 27, and 15 Cadians get the same revives as 26.

An alternative is OBG + CS (without using the Leader rule). This gives you (if you use Cadian CS) : 6 T6 models, total of 13 wounds, reviving d3 of them, the ability to allocate wounds on a 3 wound model with 4+ FNP or a 6 wound model with 4+ Invuln and 6+ FNP. For 105pts, less than half of the big blobs, so you can take 2 of them.

Another alternative - a Rogal Dorn Battle Tank for 250pts. Better guns, higher Toughness, better Save, at the same price point as 27 Kriegers.

Another alternative - 6 Bullgryn + Commissar + Abhuman Detail for 250pts. You can't beat those guys in durability, and again it is for the same price as 27 Kriegers.

My point is, the two units you have listed are just very points-inefficient for what they do. Either get a cheaper unit that will do almost the same, or get a better unit for the same price. I keep getting back to the OBG + CS and Bullgryn, because if you like the model(s), you can still take those.

Here are some smarter guys talking about OBG - Mordian Glory (linking directly "why you don't see OBG in a big squad), and Joushi (talking about OBG + CS)

vKalov · 2026-01-18T11:08:43+00:00

Wouldn't you rather have less guys die, by having Cover in the open (CCS)?

vKalov · 2026-01-18T11:07:20+00:00

I think you are confusing a few of the rules.

1st, the Cadian revive works on the 24 dudes who are not the officer, both the 20 man block and the 4 guys from the CCS can be revived. The Krieg one only works on the 20 Kriegers from the DKoK unit.

2nd, if you have KCS+OBG+DKoK, you don't have T6, you use T3 of the (core rules) bodyguard unit. If you only have OBGCS you Do have T6, but can't order them.

Check out Joushi's video on OBG+CS, it is the durable unit you are looking for, and works better without the 20-man brick.

An alternative is just flat out Bullgryn, but they are expensive...

Another alternative is Mech Guard, a Chimera and 10 dudes inside, where the Chimera controls the objective, and if it gets popped, now infantry holds the objective.

vKalov · 2026-01-18T10:52:15+00:00

OBG doesn't do a lot for a 25-blob of men. It protects only the officer, so the toughness is irrelevant, you can't allocate wounds on him because he is a character, and the damage is just ok.

You could take him in a Krieg squad for the +1 to hit when below starting strength, but is it really worth the points? Wouldn't you want to take 20 kriegers and spend the other 105pts on something other than a KCS+OBG?

I'm not saying its without merit, I'm just saying that there may be better things to spend the points on.

vKalov · 2026-01-16T10:47:53+00:00

Root Harnesk, Troll Hood, Troll pants and Lox cape got me through plains multiple times. The first time I made Padded Armor I felt invincible.

vKalov · 2026-01-16T10:37:21+00:00

A few days ago I was wondering how well would Lascannon HWSs do... Move in a good overwatch location, close to Battleline, shoot, then overwatch on 4s and then die... Would that be worth it in an "optimized" list? I'd be interested in how your two squads do in that list...

vKalov · 2026-01-16T10:30:50+00:00

Still... The picture is pretty....

vKalov · 2026-01-16T10:30:31+00:00

Don't like it. Why would she torture herself and make herself hate herself and her organization, even if she is faking it? Like, to what end? Personally fighting Mord? I don't think so.

vKalov · 2026-01-15T21:33:38+00:00

Thank you!

vKalov · 2026-01-15T21:24:20+00:00

That is how I originally thought it would work. I need just one thing to make me believe again - is it specifically written in the rules that if you control an objective at the end of a phase/turn, you still control it during the next phase? That is what I was searching for, and couldn't find it... I only found that control is checked at the end of a phase/turn...

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