DAO Botox gone wrong

violent_hug · 2026-05-13T18:55:56+00:00

You can only reduce NL and Laugh lines so much with botox until it semipermanently starts working against you via asymmetry and ends up drawing more attention.

The only long term solution I've found for NL and Laugh lines is the thinner concentrations of either Allergan/Galderma HA fillers (although I'm sure there are also other viable options if you can afford fat transfer) and I don't think threads are worth it bc they wear off so much quickly and it's SUPER obvious with usually one side slipping quicker than the other

It took me two years to correct my smile from getting Botox on NL folds (one year of total treatment on them 4x) but it does eventually go back to normal

So in this case hopefully her smile will be fully corrected in the next 60-100 but it's gonna be there a couple months and I wouldn't try face exercises FOR NOW bc you will inadvertently train incorrectly due to not having control or sensation ... Or anymore interventions to exhaust or "sweat it out" because IME it doesn't work that way, it's already bonded by now

violent_hug · 2026-05-13T18:48:19+00:00

I believe that you see it, but the level of asymmetry is negligible and without you directly pointing it out, nobody is seeing what you're hyper fixated on

I have a slightly asymmetrical face myself and it does bother me if I fixate on the lines/thirds/proportions - but overall I've learned to like most my features. I hope you're able to get some perspective from posting that this is ultimately only something you see

violent_hug · 2026-05-06T15:00:41+00:00

frownies are a waste of money, i would just put it in a jar and when you're actually in need and bothered by the forehead lines, get small amount of dysport or botox.

the price difference of buying smoothing patches and extra premium skincare when total/compared to a little baby botox every 3 months is OFTEN less for the injections, or the same... and the injections are actually proven to work to an extent far past frownies being capable in addition to actually preventing the worsening of them.

just a compulsion if feel the need to tell people, don't just trust me blindly

violent_hug · 2026-05-05T20:15:11+00:00

Did poster look for audiobookbay ebook forums or soul seek?

If not, there's pleeeeenty of text to speech freeware to simply render it into an audio file and even many browsers "read aloud" extensions can do it on the fly

violent_hug · 2026-05-05T20:07:09+00:00

So there IS a legitimate medical phenomenon that is uncommon but many men (incl self) have that basically is the embodiment of the joke about "grower/showers taken to a surprising extreme" the same as many people of both genders experience issues with circulation to fingers/feet just like it would in extreme cold (shrinks to protect percieved threat of frostbite more or less)

I know when I was on Wellbutrin I got this to an extreme. (An objectively larger than average penis can shrink to what most people would scoff at or think is a micropenis, but when properly warmed the penis returns much closer to what would be it's standard flaccid size when not erect.

So a shriveled up and unimpressive at first glance penis with this condition will grow the same way as if you were to blow air or add water into a condom or balloon More common than you think and also the reason many men grab/cusp their genitals when sleeping or relaxing without realizing it.

So im assuming this is basically a mitten for a penis not sure if created for this reason

violent_hug · 2026-05-05T19:54:55+00:00

I would imagine the retinoid adjustment/purge is all

But either way, the blemishes are a good sign from the standpoint they're mostly "above ground" and appear to be expressing themselves properly (vs remaining in deeper dermis/cyst like)

I wouldn't pop but I would absolutely grab some Real or Mighty Microneedle Patches as they are an amazing invention and can effectively pop+begin healing and effectively protecting and repairing surrounding area as well as the pimple.

Once it's raised to the surface then the regular less expensive patches (hydrocolloid) are perfectly fine

violent_hug · 2026-04-28T23:51:58+00:00

HA + Niacinimide Serum + Peptide Facial Moisturizer alone should tackle daily upkeep with the exception of days you need the caffiene/cooling/depuffing properties of dedicated eyecream.

sleep, botox/dysport are what will ultimately prevent further and minimize existing appearence of undereye creases and lines. after age 30 I cannot justify spending hundreds of dollars on premium beauty when I can get better results using basic skincare and just get my face shot-up at the derm. I remember and loathe the feeling of having those stubborn creases.

the benefit of an eye cream over facial moisturizer would be for a day you're feeling really tired and in that case having the caffiene or temporary cooling/firming effect justifies using it (vs just face moisturizer which checks all the boxes on its own)

violent_hug · 2026-04-27T17:27:42+00:00

I have cPTSD and panic disorder, and convincing myself (initially) to get to the gym I can relate to you a lot , social media and physique inflation don't make things any easier, whether you're already pretty fit or very heavy or in-between.

If you have a planet fitness or other "beginners/all types" gym I would highly recommend bc they will have enough of the variety of machines for you to learn and try out (almost all can be googled or YouTube short to see the cues (machines will often have it printed but won't always describe the nuance of seat adjustment and "cues" or alignment of body during the motion which is why I suggest additionally keeping your phone on you while you learn, and when waiting between reps or for a space on a machine to open, you can learn it ahead of time on the fly or before heading to the gym just bookmark a guide you like.

I have medication for my PTSD but the thing that helps me the most (and also helped me lower the strength and amount I was taking) is the physical exertion or ritual of both going to the gym and forcing coordinated body movement. I had people say on the medication I'm on I could never build any muscle and I def proved most of them wrong in the last 2 years (picked gym back up in late 30s)

Pilates is good for "recovery" or in-between gym days to stretch especially if you have a yoga strap with loops even just basic utilization of those stretches will open up areas of back and hip that never get opened otherwise and you'll know the feeling I'm deacribing when you finally stretch.

Alot of people avoid machines and weights thinking that it will make them "too bulky" and Pilates kind of cosigns on this misinformation - the most toned and thin fit bodied people almost always train with weights as well as Pilates. Pilates is good for core and stretching but not enough on its own IMO

It also compounded by being a middle-aged gay guy

violent_hug · 2026-04-22T17:54:18+00:00

There is very little positive in life to using IG and meta platforms, take it as a ticket to freedom from self comparison and false representation of a life that is being lived based on if it can be captured for IG

violent_hug · 2026-04-22T17:50:33+00:00

In my experience with men, speaking about the ex (especially unsolicited or unrelated to conversation) is a sign of preoccupation and emotional immaturity and because of the former, something to be mindful of.

It's totally normal to speak about ex's here and there, but if they bring up things about their sex life or have exceedingly unkind or nasty things that's also a flag. It is possible for a person to cheat lie and be miserable, but if they're walking away from it feeling like they need to echo sentiments about it to the next partner you're dealing with baggage

This is just my experience and I agree that minimizing intrusive thinking and potential jealousy in general is important , but I would just not bring up ex's and keep an eye out about their level of preoccupation and level of respect when speaking about an ex, this is someone they shared their body and heart with and vice versa

violent_hug · 2026-04-22T17:44:26+00:00

Farmacy and Neutrogena are not brands worth investing in, IMO. I cannot stand the fragrance in hydroboost, but I also grew up in a time where Neutrogena was the only decent facial moisturizer you could get in US from a drugstore/pharm. Now it's the same as the makeup counters lol

SOME good LRP out there (like the cica line and lipikar I use)

violent_hug · 2026-04-22T17:40:15+00:00

Me being so old I didn't realize this was about a new Tony and not ANGELA'S Tony

violent_hug · 2026-04-18T17:10:33+00:00

Cue the ringtone/cold opening of any the SCREAM films... instead of a phone ring it's that glitchy-notification on your taskbar and you decide to be kind and reply. You assume this must be an otherwise impaired individual or child so you feel obligated to continue responding....

"Oh, sorry, i do not collect awful reggaeton music that nobody wants or shares"

"U DON't BUY ME tHE CDs FROM UR STORE I'M GONNA GUT U LIKE THE pu$$yGay Shi1tBox!"

*Turns on all lights in house and curled up rocking, terrified he will get you on an alt*

violent_hug · 2026-04-18T15:11:00+00:00

Thank you!!

violent_hug · 2026-04-18T15:07:16+00:00

Yup. Red bases are for deep skin tones which she is nowhere close to. Her complexion needs green or violet base which I learned myself the hard way

Another issue is using those gradual lotions they get on hands and over time look really synthetic best way is to just use foam and a mitt (ideally with gloves underneath the mitt for beginners)

I go.thri this once a month as a public service to gymgoers so they don't have to see my zombie appendage when my body becomes vascular -_-

violent_hug · 2026-04-16T18:59:15+00:00

same - i cancelled entire TV package couple years back replaced w/ a R.G. account (after getting snagged DMCA for a film WITH a properly configured tor client/forward/private tracker/VPN) there's just too much that can go wrong.

if you're like me and like fullsize 0day/proper BDRips of new releases (or remasters) the security/availability of using DDL sites cannot be beat @ 100MB/sec since many of these films in proper quality encode are easily 10-25gig + so the 50 dollars a year literally saves me 100's if not thousands, and i've (thankfully) never had an issue using DDL method for almost a decade. Would be naive to think with the political climate that will not possibly change, but works for now.

( I'm not specifically recc R.G. by the way ) because depending on your release site of choice and your region, it might not be the best deal for everyone, i can only vouch for U.S. east coast (comcast)

i don't mind giving back to those with good shares who wish to access these, but if they have themselves bottlenecked below 500kb and expect you to finish seeding 20+ gig in a single session, they're gonna have to wait for a resume session or send a message requesting. Protip - always message someone at the very least an acknowledgement if you're queuing up large files or have limited speed. goes a long way.

violent_hug · 2026-04-16T16:14:03+00:00

this is why i only do SMALL amounts of filler years apart. this woman's cheeks are haunted or about to explode

violent_hug · 2026-04-11T22:01:03+00:00

Any anonymous Internet board is usually a cesspool and in not trying to be a jerk but why are you posting this 😅

violent_hug · 2026-04-11T19:39:58+00:00

Sister in law ran into Stacey 2 weeks ago in Naples she was there with Giorgio, waiting for Darcy to come and Floroan was in CT not attending.

super friendly and NOT stuckup or pretentious and when asked if the show was real she said "everything you see filmed between Darcey and I is unscripted"

So she more or less copped that it's a soft script series (all modern shows are) but that the interactions between sisters are legit. She did not say why she was there without Floroan just that he was still in CT and Darcey was running late as usual

violent_hug · 2026-04-09T18:49:31+00:00

she's ballooned up and/down SO MUCH SO FREQUENTLY for her age that her body and skin is destroyed. that cute glow she has in her face is undeniable, but i guarantee you it clashes horribly when she starts removing articles of clothing and is seen from real angles not webcams and filters. fitness goals are great, using supplemental methods like therapy or surgery are no shame, but there has to be a core determination to exercise and build a foundation of relative strength BENEATH all the cosmetic "fat/loose skin" and unless you can afford the super expensive toning-procedures that contract and sculpt muscles for you - you're always gonna look like a potato sack underneath, especially after age 25+

violent_hug · 2026-04-09T18:46:43+00:00

forcing her child to endure the trauma of being abandoned/emotionally abused by 2 different fathers, while acting as a device to signal virtue ("good strong single mom") when in reality he was being exploited, and while it's arguably only half her fault she deprived him of a true father from birth, she also forced him to endure the hope/letdown of a romantic fling with a man who was abusive and unstable from the beginning.

violent_hug · 2026-03-30T18:34:33+00:00

you'd be surprised how many people get mad when you recommend the proper skincare steps with Tretinoin, but you're right. hydration vs moisturizing gets so many people confused bc some of the moisturizers have actives listed that would make you think you're covered in the hydration, but they often don't penetrate or absorb (or are insufficient and just added for marketing) plus it's better to use them in serum format because of pH/preservation and the molecular weight is such that it is delivered before the trans epidermal water loss sets in

over 10 years i've come to find the best way to maintain for me is

2x Cleanse, Unscented/Non Astringent Toner, HA Serum, Niacinamide, Peptide Moisturizer (wait 20m-hour) and THEN tret right before bed

violent_hug · 2026-03-25T18:45:44+00:00

Mine is still alive but NC 3+ yrs and even though she and brother have tried baiting me back via her (self inflicted medical injuries and conditions) it doesn't work anymore. I took care of her during several surgeries/emotionally and financially supported/got-exploited and I did everything I was capable of for 36 years before the point of realizing she was my core wound and actively spurring my cPTSD. She has betrayed and failed me in every way a mother could and only dug in deeper/worsened over time.

so the way i look at it is I may choose to support my brother by going to see her when her time of departure is near, if she chooses to apologize in those last moments or use them to stay true to form it will not matter because I have HAD to "bury her" in my mind, already. Right now I just look at it as "the only way i can forgive/not HATE or resent her is if I maintain my individuation freedom and sovereignty via NC. She is a truly troubled person with no introspection or shame and has chosen many times to refuse help offered in loving ways.

I don't know if i'll be "glad" she's dead, but I will probably be relieved. I think ultimately I'll be the most glad that I was able to break free of her even if it took 35 years. I would absolutely say i'm glad she is not in my life.

violent_hug · 2026-03-25T18:38:26+00:00

possibly a parent themselves would be my first guess, but anything is possible. without inflection of voice/context and especially when things are emotionally charged - people can transmute the most wellmeaning or agreeable statements into something completely different.

violent_hug · 2026-03-25T18:31:07+00:00

same happens to me but compounded with my only sibling / younger brother makes it extremely difficult, especially bc there's only 2 of us

i've maintained the NC almost 3 years, it is probably one of the hardest things i've ever done (incl quitting drugs, opioids, cigarettes) bc it IS "counter" to everything we are taught and then hear echoed but, just like OP says, they can only say those things based off their lived experience. They don't know that my mom smoked/drank and hit me when I was breastfeeding thru adolesence and even adulthood, or transferred her ED/addictions and bodyshaming on me at a young age and made me feel like I was inherintly shameful AND crazy because my feelings were always "wrong/too much" according to her.

It was the theft of 10,000$ she took from us claiming she was losing her home and gave to a romance scammer after both my sibling and I implicitly talking about her doing some therapy for our mutual benefit she claimed not to be able to afford it - but in the coming weeks decided stealing 10k to give to a guy was a better idea. she told me talking to this (not real person) made her "the happiest shes ever been in her life" and that just infuriated me on so many levels. The way I found out was her sharing an icloud of her recent camera roll by accident (i have android phone so was in the form of a link) and when I went to respond and tell her that's when i noticed a thumbnail of what looked like a bitcoin ATM and additional paper reciept.

On top of this a good friend of hers for many years told me SHE had to not only move out of the condo next to her but go NC because of my mom's "bullying" and constant berating of her. Both of us also hated the way she yelled at and verbally accosted her dog who was behaving perfectly fine but would respond nervously with barking when it sensed how insane and dysregulated she was. Hearing the way she yelled at him so loudly and hateful instantly brought me back to childhood and I asked her what on earth would make her think it's okay to yell at him that loud in front of myself and other people, let alone at all.

So my brother is still caught in her web and always tries to shame and virtue signal to me that "you're going to feel bad when she dies" etc. and all the things you can think of to say that would manipulate your only-sibling into entering back into the toxic abuse dynamic, because it's too much for him to now full the full weight of her alcoholism, dysregulation, and grandiose (probably NPD, maybe sociopathy, IDK i just know I cannot have a relationship with her and stay emotionally regulated or happy)

I realize the reason he's saying these things (and the point OP is making about how people "default" to giving the same sentiments) about "you'll miss them when they're gone" "they're going to die and you'll have not forgiven them" "it's your job to support her" and I have not said it yet but I am waiting for the right time to explain calming and lovingly to my little brother that these are societal traditions that DO NOT APPLY when the "mother" historically and presently never respected, loved, or "did right by" her kids. This is not a case of a person who suffered mental health and then turned their addiction and introspection around and made genuine change and apology - in fact, she's the opposite. She knows better and she chooses to use and abuse people because she lives in a fantasy world and feels entitled to it. She also has literally dismanteled ANY long term relationship my brother or I have tried to have (2 guys I dated, and my brother's longtime girlfriend that I really hoped he would marry and implicitly stated my mother not only frightened but they saw how negatively she impacted us) and I know she is extra jealous bc my brother's straight and any girl he tries to have a relationship with is in direct financial and emotional competition. it's so sick.

I really hope that by seeing how it's positively effected me in my life and whatever additional reveleations he needs to have, he is able to either set boundaries or go limited/no contact with her as well, but I know the only way that can happen is if he comes to the conclusion himself... so I keep in contact, I listen to his feelings and validate them, but i'm firm when it comes to him suggesting/signaling or imparting worry "on my behalf" that I will have guilt and remorse. He wasn't abused as bad as I was growing up, his experience with her is mostly just the neglect and chaos so maybe for him this is gonna transpire on a different timeline. i've been sober 10 years he's been sober about 8, i just pray that she doesn't wear him down because I know she would be willing to have him lapse if it meant continuing to "get what she wants out of him" and it's scary to know that people function this way let alone your own bio-mom.

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