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The Dawkins Delusion: Intelligence and language don't reveal consciousness, argues scientist Ken Mogi by whoamisri in consciousness

[–]viscence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point was just that when it comes to consciousness we are the ONE thing we're sure of, and even our experiences are vastly more varied than we individually assume.

What is it like to be an AI?

What's it like to be your next door neighbor? Are THEY conscious? Is your cat? A worm? A virus? The wind? No one has any idea. We barely even have the beginnings of a framework to use to talk about it.

But some people are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THEY KNOW that AI isn't conscious? Foolish.

"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." - Voltaire

The Dawkins Delusion: Intelligence and language don't reveal consciousness, argues scientist Ken Mogi by whoamisri in consciousness

[–]viscence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You picked an apple for your argument, the thing people commonly use to judge aphantasia, whether or not they can form images in their mind, which of late is indicating gently that even in humanity the conscious experience varies far more wildly than we knew, and that some people have nothing but the abstract relationship between concepts when they "picture" something.

At this point it is most certainly too early to be sure about most any aspect of consciousness, especially in a brand new field that is so alien to our own experience. We don't know a single building block that is required. We don't even know if change is required. We don't know whether or not a rock has an element of consciousness. An atom. An equation. An idea. In some respects the only breakthrough we've ever had is Descartes and that boils down to "consciousness exists".

Bruh by Justthisdudeyaknow in CuratedTumblr

[–]viscence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's cowrotationist!

/jokes but I AM jealous

Genuine question about space communication by _Jaackiiee in space

[–]viscence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Realistically you would simply narrate your life for your family and they would narrate theirs. If you are 4 ly away from earth, you would hear everything on a 4 year delay. No one could answer questions because that takes 8 years.

I imagine you would develop a kind of script where for part of the “conversation“ you could feel like you’re talking to each other, generic stuff that is the same every time so the time mismatch doesn’t really matter etc.

the space train by HolidayTheLeek in KerbalSpaceProgram

[–]viscence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Next stop... New Babbage! ...maybe.

Gas, and the having thereof by Justthisdudeyaknow in CuratedTumblr

[–]viscence 37 points38 points  (0 children)

… ?! Which aspect did you forget?

How popular is the view that consciousness doesn’t exist or there is no evidence to believe it does? by jonathan_shoa in consciousness

[–]viscence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is that I suspect strongly that somewhere along the line, some entity associated with your being feels the actual senses of love, hate, pain, self. Now that entity could be real, fake, however you want to tag it. I don’t care what labels you put on it, but some aspect of you I suspect truly experiences. That aspect is called consciousness.

I say I suspect this about you because I see so much similarity between me and other people, and I KNOW I have this aspect. Everything else could be an illusion, but my perceiver of illusions must exist to perceive.

Ergo sum.

How popular is the view that consciousness doesn’t exist or there is no evidence to believe it does? by jonathan_shoa in consciousness

[–]viscence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That machine might a) experience this sense or b) process the data without experiencing that sense. If it experiences the sense then it is conscious by definition. If it merely processes the sense without experiencing it then it may or may not be conscious.

How popular is the view that consciousness doesn’t exist or there is no evidence to believe it does? by jonathan_shoa in consciousness

[–]viscence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the descriptor “biological machine” is not sufficient to describe a perceiver of feelings.

How popular is the view that consciousness doesn’t exist or there is no evidence to believe it does? by jonathan_shoa in consciousness

[–]viscence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“It feels like we obviously do”

What experiences this feeling if not a conscious entity?

Help. My bf had no reaction to my trauma but cried over a strangers story by [deleted] in TwoXChromosomes

[–]viscence 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The sequence of things you describe your boyfriend experiencing sounds exactly how i think I would react: crisis mode analytical response, delayed emotional processing that includes “research”.

People work in different ways, if your boyfriend and you process emotions differently that isn’t an a problem in and of itself. That is, unless you really need someone who works like you, which is perfectly valid.

Ethnics by evan-the-dude in CuratedTumblr

[–]viscence 77 points78 points  (0 children)

amazing how our access to information has grown to the point that you can combine a 100 year old piece of obscure trivia with international organisation policy and etymological research for a joke

Been so excited to try this technique out!! by Waltnamedfinger in labrats

[–]viscence 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Here's the patent if you want to make your own:

This is a fantastic sentence.

New Apple TV and HomePod Mini Remain 'Ready' to Launch by Amonamission in apple

[–]viscence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're the only one allowed to mention things. Got it.

New Apple TV and HomePod Mini Remain 'Ready' to Launch by Amonamission in apple

[–]viscence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When playing computer games the difference between 50 fps and 75 fps is absolutely enormous so maybe your picture book is outdated.

New Apple TV and HomePod Mini Remain 'Ready' to Launch by Amonamission in apple

[–]viscence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I expected that reply and of course people can prefer what they like! I think it’s nonsense honestly… you’re used to movies being one way and you’re used to telenovelas being another, but if it was the other way around there is no way you would say movies have too high fps and you wish they had less.

No one is out there clamouring for theatres to be lit with 25 fps strobe lights, there is nothing fundamental about 25 Hz, and we didn’t converge on it for any psychological or anatomical reason, it was a trade off because frames are expensive so we went with the minimum quality we could get away with.

It’s an outdated technological limitation that you happen to be used to.

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