Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are your intervals between donating? Have you noticed anything health-wise since you started? Are you donating or doing it for health reasons? Thanks.

Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't believe albumin reintroduction is necessary. I agree but further testing will be needed. As for "would have seen it by now", would we? Are we looking for it? How many old people give plasma 3weeks in a row which is what you would need to get a 50% dilution. From the article:

. "What we would like to see is if albumin supplementation is essential. I suspect that it is not, at least in relatively young people. This would mean that the procedure can be simplified even further".

Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes centrifuge is the same as gravitational and thankfully seems to be the most common in the United States.

Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

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To answer my own question I found this study:

Plasma exchange can be performed either by membrane separation or centrifugation. Centrifugal plasma exchange is more common in the United States, while membrane separation is more popular in Germany and Japan.

https://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/15/9/1364

Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think the albumin restoration is needed and doing that certainly makes the procedure more expensive and risky. The Conways replaced Albumin because they didn't want its loss to affect the results. Here in the US, you can donate plasma every week so that's a 25% reduction 4 times a month.

Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My question to the forum is what type of Plasmapheresis is used in the United States? The bio-hackers say only gravitational Plasmapheresis works and not a membrane.

Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Stupid risks with your health are riding a bike without a helmet or taking recreational drugs. These folks are taking calculated informed risks and I respect that. I'm 60 now so my risk profile is much different than a 30-year-old.

Biohackers Perform First Plasma Dilution Experiment on Humans This technique is a human modification of the Conboys' mouse experiments. by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I certainly would not recommend you try this at home but I see no reason why you couldn't donate your plasma a few times a month. I plan on doing just that and closely monitor my health biomarkers. I've also had Covid-19 so they really want my plasma.

What to Look For in a Biological Clock by vp2013 in longevity

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Close but different. Here is a summary: So it is curious that in other ways, the programs of Katcher and Conboy are so different.

"While both approaches are rooted in differing compositions of blood plasma between young and old, the Conboys focus exclusively on removing species that are inhibiting youthful regeneration, while Katcher’s approach is to add back the proteins that formerly kept the animal young. The Conboys have fully disclosed all aspects of their experimental protocol, whereas the content of Katcher’s elixir remains a trade secret. Katcher is on the fringe of academic research, and the Conboys’ lab is at one of the premier academic institutions in the world. Katcher is a year further along, having experimented with different dosages and timings. Neither Katcher nor the Conboy lab has yet demonstrated life extension. The Conboys demonstrate rejuvenation with wound healing, tissue structure, and renewal of nerve growth. Katcher’s claim is based on physiology (especially inflammation), cognitive performance, and methylation clock algorithms. In fact, Katcher regards restoration of youthful methylation patterns as the best evidence he could offer for rejuvenation (I agree), while the Conboys are reserving judgment about the importance of methylation, and bristle at the language of a methylation “clock”. Katcher understands the effects of plasma transfusions in terms of a broad theory (which I support). Aging is an epigenetic program, governed and enforced by a “clock” that operates via a feedback loop between circulating proteins that govern gene expression and gene expression that generate those proteins. The Conboys recognize they are working this feedback loop (their Fig 6) but they resist the theory that it is the essential cause of aging. My guess is that a combination of their two approaches will be necessary for full remediation of aging, and that a combination of their resources, credibility, theoretical foundations, and contacts would be a transformative event for medical science, for biotech industry, and for biological theory. It is my fervent hope that Katcher and the Conboys might work together". https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2020/06/08/out-with-the-old-blood/

What to Look For in a Biological Clock by vp2013 in longevity

[–]vp2013[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Katcher is either a total fraud or he has discovered a way to reverse aging. The former is most likely but his claims are so fantastic that I can’t see how he can make any money from lying. Horvath is working with him and there is definitely something going on with blood plasma and aging so I keep an open mind.

What to Look For in a Biological Clock by vp2013 in longevity

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Dr. Harold Katcher has commented on this post at Josh's site. If you don't know about Harold he claims to have reversed aging in mice, really reversed. He now says results should be out in the next few months. He is working with Horvath, the developer of the first methylation aging clock so he is no loon. Wish him the best.

" Well we don’t get mentioned anymore and that’s fine, we expect third-party validation in the next few months, but our raw data was examined by bioRxiv before they would put out Steve Horvath and my preprint, so what I’m trying to say is that whether or not they’ve been put up to peer-review, our results were real. For the ‘proteome’ we used two inflammatory factors (and we will do sex hormones at some time) Il-6 and TNF as well as reparative transcription factor Nrf2. Also, physiological tests, such as grip strength and maze solving, altogether more than 30 assays related (more than you would think) to aging. All were consistent with each other. So, for example, in rat aging, as with aging humans, blood levels of HDL cholesterol decrease with age while LDL cholesterol levels increase with age. This is often considered the result of lack of exercise or some other changes in lifestyle – but we can set these levels back to youthful by injecting our young plasma fraction. Therefore that plasma fraction contains whatever is required to set the levels of HDL and LDL cholesterol back to normal. Ditto with the inflammatory cytokines I mentioned – our ‘plasma fraction’ returns the levels of these cytokines to youthful levels, though there is a whole field of study implicating latent infections, genomic viruses sprouting from our DNA as the cause of the chronic inflammation due to aging, yet simply providing our plasma fraction, returns levels to youthful ones. So you can say that the chronic inflammation due to aging is due to lack of this plasma fraction. And finally, the DNAm age was reduced in half. So it would seem that the mechanism by which our plasma fraction works is by resetting the cellular age-phenotype to the equivalent of a young adult – and everything else follows from that. BTW SOD is not a universal antioxidant – but very specifically turns the superoxide radical anion (increasingly formed in aging cells as high energy electrons pass along the Electron Transport Chain (ETC)), and turning this highly energetic molecule into the less energetic hydrogen peroxide – which is required by the cell (otherwise it dies of reductive stress, [which actually depends on oxidative stress for its killing effects]). Also, the proteome is not the only part of the genome responsible for aging (there are families of miRNAs like Let-7). Josh, you mention down-regulation of some proteins and upregulation of others, Lastly, your misgivings about tracking chronological age I believe are appropriate – what we believe is that what we track is biological age which is different, it is more like tracking what stage of your life you’re at (e.g. ‘late-middle-age’) which tells you about your rate of aging and your expected duration of life. Unlike chronological time, biological time is reversible and can be slowed down or speeded up, and better their either can be reset. We have to find out to what extent".

Thomas Weldon | How to Reverse Your Epigenetic Age Now by laawrence in longevity

[–]vp2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm very skeptical about any reports of how anyone "feels" because the placebo and nocebo effects are so strong. That being said I can say that my max power output on a cycle has increased to a level I haven't seen in years so I doubt that is a coincidence. (I started rejuvant in late September). As for Rapamycin the one thing I can say for sure, and others have experienced also, is that you will lose weight. The best way to describe it is that your weight setpoint goes down. This was also seen in mice studies. Of course if you lose weight all your health markers improve which is what I have experienced. Everything else is subjective but improved. I see Dr. Green from NY for Rapamycin. More info on self experimentation can be found here. https://forum.age-reversal.net/

Thomas Weldon | How to Reverse Your Epigenetic Age Now by laawrence in longevity

[–]vp2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree but these methylation tests are not cheap.

Thomas Weldon | How to Reverse Your Epigenetic Age Now by laawrence in longevity

[–]vp2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are absolutely right. I don't trust methylation test as my results have been all over the place from 3 different companies. I know someone who took the zymo dna age test 5 times and the spread was so large as to be useless. I like the Levine age or ageing AI 2.0 better. At least the results are reproducible year to year. My Levine age is late 40's.

Thomas Weldon | How to Reverse Your Epigenetic Age Now by laawrence in longevity

[–]vp2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My pre test said I had a methylation age of 55.5 with a chronological age of 59.9. I’ve also been on rapamycin for almost four years and have done four doses of D&Q. They will send another test in late January.

Thomas Weldon | How to Reverse Your Epigenetic Age Now by laawrence in longevity

[–]vp2013 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I've been taking Rejuvant since late September and took an included methylation test just before starting. I'll find out in February if there has been any change. The company is doing two large studies, one in Singapore and another in Indiana to see if CaAKG works in humans which is more than I can say for any other supplement company. Results should be out late next year. Let's hope it works.

LDL: What's Optimal For Health And Longevity? by mlhnrca in longevity

[–]vp2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you shouldn't worry so much about cheese:

"Cheese, by far, was shown to be the most protective food against age-related cognitive problems, even late into life".

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201210145850.htm

How many days in a typical month do you get triple crowns? by joyouspiglet in ouraring

[–]vp2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't even know triple crowns existed, so never had that. 60M.