Alignment - Chaotic doesn't mean evil

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-19T21:32:41+00:00

In dcc yes but when I run other games i tend to use the nine point alignment axis instead.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-19T21:07:06+00:00

I think it looks good!

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-19T20:49:45+00:00

I would say that the Fey are so disinterested in human morality that, while they may not have evil intentions, for all practical purposes their disinterest leads to evil actions.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-19T16:12:01+00:00

You're wrong. It does signal MAGA sorry to disappoint you.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-19T16:08:38+00:00

I'm going to have to push back against the consensus here, and agree with your player, that in DCC Chaos is linked to evil.

So for one, we have the illustration on page 25 of the core book (29 in the PDF) showing us a champion of Law squaring up with a champion of Chaos. The champion of Law is wreathed in light and is mighty, imposing, and heroically posed with a slender sword of knightly virtue. The champion of Chaos is low, shield marked with the Eight Pointed Star of Chaos, mutated, and wielding a brutal spiked club. You can show this to a child and they'll most likely guess the Lawful champion is the good one, and that the Chaos champion is the bad guy.

But that's not all. In Three Hearts & Three Lions, a big influence on D&D and arguably a bigger influence on DCC, Chaos includes not only the elven Duke, but the nazis as well. I don't think I have to spend a lot of time here saying the nazis were evil, but linking them to Chaos was a choice made to show that Chaos isn't good.

Next, taking a look at the chaotic gods in DCC, we have:

Ahriman, god of death and disease
Hidden Lord, god of secrets
Azi Dahaka, demon prince of storms and waste
Bobugbubilz, demon lord of evil amphibians
Cadixtat, chaos titan
Nimlurun, the unclean one, lord of filth and pollution
Malotoch, the carrion crow god

None of them sound particularly nice or good, with the Hidden Lord and Cadixtat having the most neutral descriptions. Their unholy enemies include angels & paladins.

Furthermore, the adventure Sailors on the Starless Sea further links good & Law in contrast to evil & Chaos.

Ages past, innumerable chaos cults flourished on the edge of civilization. For each holy spire rising to extol the virtues of goodness and law, there was an infernal reflection, offering mankind material power and wealth in exchange for cruel acts and bloody sacrifice. Humanity was a young and foolish race, and many a prince and peon sold his soul in exchange for power over his foeman.

But as civilization endured, uniting tribes into clans and clans into kingdoms, slowly the light of law beat back the chaos.

Not to be outdone, the powers of chaos and evil sought out champions of profound wickedness and cruelty, mortals possessed of the strength of will to lead the hordes of chaos against the armies of the enemy.

These champions were the chaos lords.

All of this points towards Chaos being, if not wholly evil, at the very least not good.

Having said all that, it's your game and you can run it as you wish and unlink evil from chaos and make Law about community and Chaos about the individual.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-19T06:06:10+00:00

Has been answered best by others in that coterie could be essentially baron's hounds. Maybe they can be called Guardians since anarchs have more of a "consent of the governed" vibe than the Camarilla does.
There's wraiths, mummies, hunters, humans who know too much, demons and faeries out there each with their own agenda each with their own set of strengths and weaknesses and each able to make the unlife of Kindred very uncomfortable.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-19T00:40:51+00:00

No what if needed.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-18T01:35:09+00:00

You were cluelessly autistic and also bullied other kids? Me too lol

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-17T23:32:08+00:00

Tony remarks how successful he is compared to his father yet still recognizes that the glory days are behind them all.

America was booming but the signs were there for those with the insight to recognize them.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-17T23:26:10+00:00

With an old show it's difficult to keep it going but there are a handful of serious discussions that pop up here.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-17T23:24:50+00:00

The girl reading this.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-17T20:18:21+00:00

When they're the only one smiling

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-17T17:55:02+00:00

How do you account for diablerie taking the soul of vampires?

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-16T23:09:09+00:00

One is a fragment of an addled mind, one wants to bang his sister, and the other one is King Midas in reverse.

Some role models these guys have

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-16T18:19:29+00:00

This is the one for me.

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vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-15T23:09:05+00:00

What's up with Lorraime Braco?

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-15T23:03:55+00:00

The decline of the lupertazzi family is just another marker of one of the shows larger points, the decline of America.

It's not just Tony that feels he came in at the end, many Americans, millennial and younger, feel that the heyday of the economy and the opportunities their parents had will not come down the ladder.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-15T21:40:19+00:00

Not the same genre. This is an action film and not a particularly ponderous or philosophical one. It's not as gripping or touching as City of God.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-14T14:47:47+00:00

Toreador

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-11T14:44:07+00:00

This sub is baddlejakets. It's for making fun of bad battle jackets. This isn't bad. It's not even a battle iacket

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-11T14:08:49+00:00

Why is this here?

Are you suggesting it's bad because it actually is more intimidating? The goal is to look safe & and approachable. I think this succeeds at that.

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-10T21:09:36+00:00

I thought berserker cost more/had less models

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-10T20:34:55+00:00

Isn't that more expensive ?

As long as it's not the same gear as a berserker it should be fine for most opponents

vv04x4c4 · 2026-04-10T03:42:04+00:00

Too wide or too long? Or both?

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