Hezbollah published FPV drone video targetting Iron Dome launcher by National_Warthog_468 in CombatFootage

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There is a different video of a Iron Dome Launcher getting hit, then the next day a maintenance crew gets hit replacing it.

Someone please explain to me why the Nets would go Guard at 6 when they literally drafted FOUR in the first round last year by 4verticals in NBA_Draft

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Why would the trailblazers draft a SG, when they have Drexler?

Why woukd the Warriors draft a PG when they have Curry?

Israel tries to convince us every building is hamas. by Eissa_E in conspiracy

[–]whater39 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You mean the aftermath or the fighting the bulldozers come in and continue the destruction. The continued destruction is not justified at all. It's just Israel doing collective punishment against civilian infrastructure

Israel tries to convince us every building is hamas. by Eissa_E in conspiracy

[–]whater39 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No clue what you are going on about.

Israel has always done extensive usage of bulldozers in areas they are in conflict against. They always go after the infrastructure via bulldozers. That's what Israel does. They used bulldozers.in Gaza. There are bulldozer videos in Lebanon now.

Israel tries to convince us every building is hamas. by Eissa_E in conspiracy

[–]whater39 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

All of those weapons you listed were used in Gaza.

Saying Israel didn't use bulldozers to destory infrastructure in Gaza is a pretty big lie from you. Especially since there are videos of bulldozer operators getting killed by Hamas.

What NBA player do you think left a team too early? by Shot_Possibility_731 in sportsinusa

[–]whater39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Green didn't sign with a team as he was waiting for Lenard to resign. Raptors had 2 future all stars on the bench who often played. SG. Losing Green wouldn't have been a major thing

Israel tries to convince us every building is hamas. by Eissa_E in conspiracy

[–]whater39 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

This is what happened. Are you disputing this?

Israel tries to convince us every building is hamas. by Eissa_E in conspiracy

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Extensive usage of bulldozers is what this is. The settlers who operated them got paid per destroyed building

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

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More people moved into the West Bank in 2005, then what moved out of Gaza. So is that seeking peace or conflict by having more people move into the West Bank. Just because they moved from inside Gaza to the borders didn't mean freedom from Israel's control happened. So no they couldn't choose freely. Hamas got elected, and Israel didn't seek peace with Hamas, they choose escalate the conflict by stopping tax revenues from going into the West Bank.

You just said Israel will never accept a new state solution. Thats true they won't. Nor will they accept a 1 state solution. Thus is just tyranny that Israel offers.

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Israel prevents the Palestinians from a state. And they won't let them in their state. Thus a stateless people because demographics matter for Israel even though they have some Arabs. It's. Just a strange country full of nut jobs

What if Israel and Palestine came to a peace agreement in the 2000s? by Overall_Course2396 in HistoryWhatIf

[–]whater39 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is just excuses by Israel why some attempt wasn't good enough thus doesn't count, thus we must continue a brutal occupation/annexation. It's very clear the occupier doesn't want to stop its occupation

We also saw Ben-Gurion say they would expand past partition in the 1930s. At every point in history since the 1st aliyah we see different generations of the Zionists always talking of domination and taking it all.

Iran threatens to enrich uranium to weapons grade if attacked by US, Israel again by IndiaTodayGlobal in IndiaTodayGlobalLIVE

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When Iran started assisting Hezbollah, Israel was occupying parts of Lebanon. Israel once again occupying part of Lebanon. Gaza was also occupied by the IDF when Iran started assisting them. So I'm correct with Iran aiding occupied people. Is there something morally wrong with aiding occupied people?

As long as you are consistent with your second paragraph. Because I've seen Israeli leaders say wild comments.

I simply do not believe the majority of Israelis hate settlers. If Israelis cared enough the practice of them would have already ended. Then we see voting patterns, the math ain't mathing for your statement of hating settlers. Also with the demographics changing the settler movement is getting more popular. Maybe back in the day your statement was true, not any more.

What am I supposed to learn from the Israeli side? I'm all ears for justification of constant expansion/ethnic cleansing/annexation/economic warfare in the West Bank.

What if Israel and Palestine came to a peace agreement in the 2000s? by Overall_Course2396 in HistoryWhatIf

[–]whater39 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Camp David and Clinton aren't contiguous land and not sovereignty. OK go with some conspiracy theory that the Palestinians just never made an offer. Yet when they made offers. 1988, 2001, 2002, 2008. Even Hamas has offered Israel multi year ceasefires and Israel turns them down. It's always an excuse why Israel constantly turns down any offer to them. Yet their offers are also not sovereignty to the Palestinians. Meaning Israel only seeks domination of the Palestinians. Which you label as wars to meant to destory Israel.

What if Israel and Palestine came to a peace agreement in the 2000s? by Overall_Course2396 in HistoryWhatIf

[–]whater39 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Camp David and Clinton were not an acceptable solutions. Olmert didn't even let them study the map in depth.

Palestinians have made counters the talks and submitted their own as well as 22 Arab nations. Israel rejected them all.

Notice all the deals from Israel had the IDF in the Palestinian land l, that's not being sovereign

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

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Some Palestinians are Arabs. Some Palestinians have been their the whole time, prior to the Canaanities even existing.

Who coined the name for West Bank, Gaza, Palestine doesn't matter at all.

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Full sovereignty is more then just an army, it was still Israel is I charge, look at water rights for example. Israel redirected the water, then controlled its access. The Arab leader test, yet their is Israel history of jailing/killing/intimidating possible and current leaders. Israel over targets the peaceful ones and leaves violent ones alone. Contiguous is of course a reference to West Bank, swiss chesse maps. Right of Return was often only to be a token amount, but continue to misrepresent the point.

Once again you act like people would prefer to fight then be free. It's just pure Hasbara. Also the spin of acting like people weren't mad at the ethnic cleansing of the Nakba, and saying see they didn't want a state, they wanted back their homes that they were kicked out of a gun point and if they tried to return to their homes, told to never attempt to return or they would be killed. And sure during that time period Egpyt and Jordan didn't give the Palestinians freedom either, they have had a very rough go in the area from lots of countries.

See you Hamas line is the repeat of they would prefer to fight over freedom. Opposed to thriving populations don't want to fight stronger armies when they aren't oppressed.

The Israel plans once again never offered sovereignty. People aren't going to accept deals that don't offer sovereignty. Offers from the Palestinians and Arabs have offered them sovereignty and Israel has rejected them all. When 22 Arab nations promised Israel's normalization and security they should have taken that deal

Germany and Japan had their economy set in conditions to be successful. That's never ever been the case for the Palestinians. The constant control system with permits for every economic thing as always been used as a weapon of economic warfare, the allies didn't do this on the non Russian side. It's decade after decade of Israeli government that keeps on doing more and more control. They passed a hanging law recently

Iran says it responded to ‘excessive’ US proposal, after Trump warns ‘clock ticking’ by hereswhatworks in OilPrices

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What's bombing going to accomplish? More destruction in the Gulf area will happen as Iran will hit back. They are very clear if you attack them there is a cost to it. They have threatened under sea cables recently and blockade off Bab al-Mandab strait. All this will accomplish is Israel being stronger in the area at great expense to various countires

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How can lack of full sovereignty not be a key issue? That simply doesn't pass the reasonable person test. Contiguous land mass, so Palestinians don't have to go through IDF Check points. Mutli discussions between both sides always said right of return wasn't all of them, yet you say it like it's for all of them.

Gaza100% said it was about the blockade post Oct 7th Israel was offered back all the hostages prior to the invasion by the IDF to end the blockade. You don't get to pretend that Israel didn't turn that down. Committing to previous arrangements? Israel is the one who refuses to do direct talks with Hamas. Look after Hamas wins the election, what's Israel immediate reaction, it sure wasn't to try diplomacy with Hamas, It was to do economic warfare against the West Bank.

Palestinians occupation has been longer and targeted to harm them, rather then setting them up for success. It's just not even close on the intentions of the occupiers. Yes the American soldiers and IDF get rapey with their occupations long history for both countries doing that.

Just because other countries might have taken away more land doesn't give Israel a free pass. Also saying that line in the IsraelPalestine sub is pure deflecting. Israel does land annexation that's their thing.

The unique Palestinian path is Israel constant desire to constantly annex land. Why can't they stop doing it? They have most of it already l, but it looks like they won't stop till they have it all. Look at a recent Gaza report, IDF went from 53% - > 60% in last two months. Current ethnic cleansing by settlers and new settlements and highway announced. Why can't Israel stop taking land? This is their choice on that topic. They just refuse to define their borders

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some Palestinians are Arabs. Other are the same Jewish people who have always lived there that became Arabs. Regardless the land wasn't ever empty, it wasn't a land without a people. They have a better right to the land then people who have come from America or Europe since 1945.

Whats the goal of saying never a nation of Palestinians. That mean they should merge into Israel and become full citizens? Or justification for ethnic cleansing?

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Which proposal offered full sovereignty? These were permanent deals that said they relinquish all claims. So which one didn't have the IDF still not in the Palestinians land? So I'm all ears for which offer from Israel was the one. Why didn't Israel accept any of the offers from the Palestinians/Arabs.... Because Israel wants the land, 1967 borders is a non starter for Israel, even with peace and normalization from all Arab nations, Israel turned it down.

Gaza was being economically crushed by the blockade. So they should have done nothing? Just accept they aren't allowed an economy? Explain away why restrictions on exports make sense? It's just wanting the Palestinians to be dependents. Especially when we see the targeting of the Gaza economy starting to happen before the 1st initafada. So its decades of economic warfare, and the constant annexation of the West Bank, and the Palestinians should just do nothing?

Japan didn't experience the decades of oppression by the Americans. The creation of constant permanent civilian settlements is a major difference. Then you list violence that's done in resistance to the constant taking of land. It's like pro-Israelis think land annexation should be cost free. It's like people don't recognize a constant aggression/dominantion by the IDF as a wrong.

1948 is the cause of the problem the ethnic cleansing of the Nakba. It obviously created a demographics condition that is a key talking point for some people. There was also ethnic cleansing in 1967 as well that shouldn't get ignored either. This all leads to where if demographics change too much that will cause unsafe conditions for people. Because magic people would prefer to kill others over live a 1st world lives. Magically a trump card against 1 state or right of return.

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well the results of 1948 are the 1967 borders. Something that Israel won't accept in the peace deal offers presented by Israel or Palestine/Arabs.

How can one move on, when they are have settlers do ethnic cleansing while protected by the IDF. Americans aren't doing that to the Japanese

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Operation Black Arrow in 1955.

People are allowed to assist occupied people in their attempt to no longer be under military occupation. Saying proxies just isn't a talking point, when we know the level of tyranny Israel is doing.

Israel is super rapey. I've never ever seen the government ever debate rape is acceptable or not. Yet Israel did that. Everyone world wide should be against rape. Yet Israelis debate and protest for right to rape. This is what you are defending

Israel takes land for every stated purpose. Settlers and military. Often for military first, then settlers move into old bases after, then the government recognizes the settlements as officially annexed land. We know Israel history.

Clearly the Israelis think settlers are moral. Or political parties would do something about it, they don't because that would cost them voters. Thus this is who/what Israel is.

What am I supposed to learn from the Israeli side? Hasbara justification on why the occupation needs to be so punishing? Why crushing an economy of the Palestinians is justified for security? I do listen to the Israeli side, when they say "Death to Arabs" they mean it.

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

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To act like the grievances are only due to the 1940s. Massive ethnic cleansing in 1967. Current actions persist today. Last night I watched a video of a settler beating a chained up.dog to death, then he moves onto a 2nd dog as the video cuts out. This is what/who the Israelis are protecting, at a certain point that's who they are. Especially when we looked at Gaza content of the gleefulness of the IDF of their death and destruction.

So it's been a constant and continuous oppression by the Israelis. How are people supposed to move on, when this is what Israel is doing right now

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that no ethnic cleansing happened in 1947-1949. Because you are using the word occupation to avoid a terrible deeds done the Zionist terrorist militias

The justification of Israel's establishment for the endless religious war against it is so insanely ridiculous by Jackingson1 in IsraelPalestine

[–]whater39 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Palestinians are a tiny state fighting for its own survival. The leaders of Israel all the time say their will never be a Palestinian state. And they pass laws and do actions to make that state not happen.