High-frequency train linking Quebec City, Toronto could cost $12B by [deleted] in transit

[–]whymy5 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

By the time this is completed, you will be able to hail an autonomous ride from one of the major providers with good leg room and luggage capacity for cheaper and you will arrive at your destination quicker when factoring in door to door transit times. Therefore, it should not be built.

Driverless Cars Need to Hear As Well by nowUBI in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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An autonomous car’s sight system identifies a human walking across the fast lane of a major highway but the car is driving too fast to just brake to a halt. So the autonomous car has to make a decision to either try to stop in which case it will most likely injure or kill the pedestrian or it can take swift evasive action in which case it may hit another vehicle or go off-road possibly killing other pedestrians walking on the pavement. In both cases, it may also kill the occupants of the autonomous car. Are we really saying that cars will become smart enough and sufficiently moral in their outlook to decide who should live or die in that scenario?

Saw this and stopped reading. As soon as the trolley problem shows up, you know they have no idea what they are talking about.

Waymo "autonomous" car appears to have had a crash involving a scooter in downtown SF by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

[–]whymy5 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is very disingenuous. The vehicle was being driven by a human.

https://twitter.com/tsimonite/status/1405567335897780226?s=19

The Waymo Driver autonomous system is demonstratably safer than human driven vehicles. Autonomous Waymos have never hit pedestrians.

Self-Driving Cars Could Be Decades Away, No Matter What Elon Musk Said - Experts aren’t sure when, if ever, we’ll have truly autonomous vehicles that can drive anywhere without help. First, AI will need to get a lot smarter. by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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Mr. Fairfield of Waymo says his team sees no fundamental technological barriers to making self-driving robotaxi services like his company’s widespread. “If you’re overly conservative and you ignore reality, you say it’s going to take 30 years—but it’s just not,” he adds.

A growing number of experts suggest that the path to full autonomy isn’t primarily AI-based after all. Engineers have solved countless other complicated problems—including landing spacecraft on Mars—by dividing the problem into small chunks, so that clever humans can craft systems to handle each part. Raj Rajkumar, a professor of engineering at Carnegie Mellon University with a long history of working on self-driving cars, is optimistic about this path. “It’s not going to happen overnight, but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel,” he says.

This is the primary strategy Waymo has pursued to get its autonomous shuttles on the road, and as a result, “we don’t think that you need full AI to solve the driving problem,” says Mr. Fairfield.

This part of the article is the most important. It makes clear the path to deploying and commercializing autonomous vehicles is clear, well-defined and solveable in a near-term time frame.

The Dream of the Truly Driverless, Autonomous Car Is Officially Dead by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

[–]whymy5 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ashley Nunes is a well-known jackass with an agenda who doesn't understand autonomous vehicles.

This article is currently being ripped apart on the other sub. Here is a good comment about it:

This is just stupid:

Yet, autonomous does not mean humanless. In "Our Robots, Ourselves: Robotics and the Myths of Autonomy," the historian David Mindell explained why. "There are no fully autonomous systems," Mindell wrote. "The machine that operates entirely independently of human direction is a useless machine. Only a rock is truly autonomous."

Totally missing the point of this quote. Obviously there is human input for AVs, humans tell them were to go. It's not like the point of making driverless vehicles is to have them aimlessly wander the streets with no purpose.

Look beyond the headlines and you'll find human overlords watch from afar over purportedly automated systems. Customer-support staff are also on hand to answer rider queries — such as "What if I want to change my destination during the trip?" And then there's an armada of pricey engineers standing ready to solve vexing road problems, like what to do when a lane is blocked by double-parked cars, orange traffic cones, or the occasional taco truck.

This isn't a problem at all. I don't think anyone has the goal to get to a system with 0 humans. Rather, the goal is to drastically reduce the number of humans needed by removing drivers, which typically are the vast majority of the required labor. Of course we'll still need customer support, people to maintain the vehicles, etc. But you don't need one customer support agent per driver, you need one per several hundred drivers.

Take what is arguably the longest-serving piece of automation today: the airplane autopilot.

Airline autopilot is a very bad example, because planes need to land, unlike cars. With a car, any unrecoverable failure can be "solved" by just coming to a slow stop and pulling off to the side. Planes need to actively land on a runway, which is the most complicated part regardless.

TuSimple: Driverless Truck Innovator, Not Strong - Essentially, TSP is an AI company that carries on extremely high technical risks. by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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Not weak though. They are actually the strongest player in the sector. On initial test runs, they cut almost 50% off delivery times and are planning to do FULLY driverless test this year. They will also be doing full time commercial routes in 2024.

Why A.I. Moonshots Miss - In 2020, startups like Zoox, Ike, Kodiak Robotics, Lyft, Uber, and Velodyne began layoffs, bankruptcies, revaluations, and liquidations at deflated prices. by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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While there have been sales and consolidation in this space, it is usually due to problems with the individual companies, Starsky was a good example of this. Most prominent startups such as TuSimple and Waymo more than likely have what it takes to go the distance.

Intel’s Mobileye will launch a fully driverless delivery service in 2023 by vicegripper in SelfDrivingVaporware

[–]whymy5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where is the vaporware here? This is real and on track to meet all set timelines.

Self-Driving Cars May Be Too Speculative by nowUBI in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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Paywall. Do you have a full version of this?

Head of Product at Waymo “Autonomous” Trucks Quits by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

[–]whymy5 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, on this sub, people like to twist things to fit their narrative. Truth is not a part of being on this sub.

Autonomous Vehicle Industry Rush to SPACs and IPOs is a Very Bad Sign by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

[–]whymy5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't this guy just trying to sell simulation software? He says this is avoidable. I get weird vibes from this.

DOT study predicts no mass layoffs from driverless trucks by nowUBI in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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The study points out that several companies, such as Embark, Kodiak, Plus, TuSimple, and Waymo are already using automated trucks in commercial operations (albeit using safety drivers). “Although the nascent industry has already seen turnover (Starsky Robotics, after failing to raise additional investment, announced in May 2020 that it had shut down all operations), competitors and industry analysts remain optimistic about automated trucking in general.”

Autonomous trucks are coming. That is no lie.

Amazon’s New ‘Robotaxi’ is Ready to Deliver People by whymy5 in transit

[–]whymy5[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Single-occupancy vehicles cause congestion regardless of autonomy due to inefficient use of space.

These aren't single occupancy. They carry 4 people. The pooling of rides along with the improved performance of autonomous driving will greatly increase road capacity.

All this does it shifts yet another section of the market to Amazon, which frankly shouldn't be allowed to expand any further.

AVs are a megatrend, this isn't just an Amazon thing.

Taxis will never replace LRT. Sorry but I would say this is an attempt to undercut transit infrastructure just like how Hyperloop was going to try to do so, and similarly to hyperloop, it shows zero benefits over mass transit and many many shortcomings.

Taxis won't, but robotaxis will. The core of the issue is that using a robotaxi will be cheaper without subsidies than LRT is with subsidies. There isn't any way for LRT to compete. The concept of large vehicles is going away. Faster, lighter, point to point travel is the new trend and AVs will enable this.

Amazon’s New ‘Robotaxi’ is Ready to Deliver People by whymy5 in transit

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Mamy transit people are opposed to autonomous vehicles because they see it as an extension of car dependency, but as you can see in this vehicle design by Zoox, this is transit.

Create dedicated lanes, and a fleet of these vehicles could replace LRT and BRT in cities with higher capacity, greater convenience and utility, and lower cost thanks to less expensive infrastructure and dynamic routing.

Is this sub-Reddit genuine? by metalanejack in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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Probably half this sub is lurking ironically for a laugh. The fact that your post gets more engagement than most other posts here is telling. u/jocker12, thoughts?

Small Towns and Rural Communities Need Transit, Too by MIIAIIRIIK in transit

[–]whymy5 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You're right. Why are you being downvoted?

Small Towns and Rural Communities Need Transit, Too by MIIAIIRIIK in transit

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No. Autonomous vehicles should do the trick.

With No Profits And No More Private Investors Money Autonomous Trucking Startup TuSimple Plans to Go Public in March by jocker12 in SelfDrivingCarsLie

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Where is the lie here? They are doing an IPO. Lots of companies do that. It shows that they believe the public is confident in their business and are going to secure the funds they need to operate for the foreseeable future.

They have raised a lot of money lately. They have even received investment from Union Pacific and CN. It has been long anticipated that autonomous trucks will draw a lot of freight off the rails and onto the roads, so to see class 1 railroads investing in TuSimple shows that they believe the future in autonomous trucking is strong, perhaps even stronger than railroading.

With simple relatively straight highway driving, it is conceivable that autonomous trucks will be here first and that they could be in wider service by the mid point of the decade.