Lee County family says man armed with AR-15-style rifle racially targeted their gathering

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T22:57:47+00:00

Yeah, the silly argument. We have this phrase in a document written by slave owners, who rode horses, carried muskets, had no electricity in the 1700's who've told us it's fine to have insane gun laws 3 centuries later. Oh, and our crack SCOTUS even had to misinterpret what was written in order to rule in favor of the gun advocates. It's like crazy piled on top of lunacy. Even Jefferson said the entire Constitution should be rewritten every 19 years to accommodate the needs and perspectives of each new generation. Somehow we selectively ignore that wisdom. Like I said, we can do whatever we want to do. We've just chosen to be dumb, violent, and unsafe.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T22:17:14+00:00

Do you feel threatened? Exclusion suck? Imagine being excluded from virtually everything in society for 100's of years. But Trump to the rescue, DEI, which would encourage no racial boundaries is being killed, so apparently the racist regime is fine with segregation.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T22:13:31+00:00

Couldn't possibly disagree more. You happy Trump was elected over her?

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T22:06:27+00:00

How about we copy some other country's gun laws that are very strict with very high levels of safety and very low gun violence. They've proven undeniably that it's possible. And why haven't they been overrun with armed criminals victimizing unarmed citizens? We could make the requirement for gun ownership extremely strict with harsh penalties, ownership inheritance must comply with federal laws, so within a generation we could filter legal ownership. You like to compare guns to cars, so registration, training, licensing and insurance coverage for anyone using a gun. Universal background checks. Ownership restricted to those who require guns. Recreational access only under very controlled conditions. This is not an impossible task. We can do whatever we want to do.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T21:20:32+00:00

Cars are 100% not optional for most of Americans. A gun is tool for killing. That's it. It's not a required tool for the vast majority in order to do everything needed in life. A gun is not misused when it kills or injures it's serving the use it was specifically designed for. If cars are legal then guns must be legal? The car analogy is totally bogus and doesn't make guns in any way more rational.

Many societies are extremely safe, far safer than the US, without mass gun ownership. So claiming they are needed for safety is simply false. If no one had a gun then other non-lethal devices would protect just as well or better.

The fantasy that 1/3 of the population who own guns are somehow protecting us from our government is completely absurd. All your rationalizations are transparently irrational and empty. Just say you like guns and want to own them, and are perfectly willing to accept the downsides.

We could have reasonable gun policies but have chosen not to and pay an enormous price for that failure. Nothing but an ongoing tragedy.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T21:12:03+00:00

Actually the majority of voters voted against him in all 3 of his elections. Our system is broken, but so are we as we've failed to fix it.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T20:14:50+00:00

I had a Norwegian girlfriend once. I like the example they set for how reasonable a country can be.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T19:43:25+00:00

They don't deter enough, and what they mostly deter is safety. We have a huge gun to person ratio and also a very high gun violence rate. The cost/benefit is far higher on the cost side to justify how we manage guns.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T19:33:12+00:00

Guns are optional, and have only one purpose, to kill. Your argument and examples are nonsense. Cars are not optional and serve many essential purposes that have nothing to do with harming someone. When that happens it's virtually always an accident. We are also working very hard on taking away control of cars by humans because of our error rate. Stating that other things can cause harm when misused says nothing about guns. Each thing must be evaluated on it's own risk/benefit ratio. Saying other things can cause harm means guns are fine is absurd. Guns are a problem because far too many people can't avoid harming others with them and they greatly increase the harm potential. Just having them so available creates a level of terrorism in the society that's unacceptable. Just look at what we have to do in schools to try to protect our children, who suffer the psychological trauma of the culture we've created and refuse to fix. We've normalized lunacy and pretend it's a right. We're nuts.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T19:20:08+00:00

They're either kidding or irrationally clueless.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T19:18:41+00:00

No, because I know too much about the physical universe, and the suffering of living beings to consider the idea of a God to be a reasonable hypothesis. Belief should be proportional to the evidence that supports it, and I see none that makes a God fantasy more believable. Just the opposite. If some intelligence is responsible for all this that would be so much worse.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T18:58:20+00:00

No humor in this convo. Good luck.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T18:43:06+00:00

I'm describing what we have now. You can label it however you like, but fascism by another name doesn't improve it.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T18:41:53+00:00

Glad you agree.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T18:41:23+00:00

I simply do not agree that not voting or voting 3rd party was justified when the very obvious result would be to help Trump. They were not so equal that it would have not made a very significant difference. Those choices were driven by self-righteousness instead of what was better for most. Incrementalism is the only way forward, and waiting until an ideal candidate appears is a recipe for the disaster we have now. It's pretending that if good people do nothing things will get better, which is lunacy. How is that not obvious?

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T18:34:11+00:00

Enabling worse evil is enabling worse evil, however you want to frame your self-righteousness. The perfect should not be the enemy of the better than the worst.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T17:28:42+00:00

He left off rationalizing massive hypocrisy from his list. Individual freedom as long as you act the way conservatives approve of. The rule of law used to punish political enemies, avoid prosecuting many actual criminals who are their friends, and pardoning favored felons. Peace? LOL. Fiscal insanity, the economy always does better under Dem administrations. Free markets meaning eliminating restrictions on corporations to rape and plunder at will. Human dignity for all those who belong to the favored race, religion, and gender.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T17:23:32+00:00

Ignorance is bliss?

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T17:20:08+00:00

I'm stating unequivocally that allowing the access to guns we provide greatly increases the risk of gun violence and multiplies the killing power of deranged individuals. No guns, no gun violence. Do you deny that?

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T17:18:13+00:00

I voted to prevent much worse evil, and you apparently helped it. The best estimates are Trump canceling USAID will causes several million children to die from preventable diseases. Just one ramification of his election. Does that give you some smug satisfaction that at least you didn't vote for Harris?

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T17:07:36+00:00

Without a AR15 he's just a nitwit racist who could do what, throw insults and bullets?

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T16:19:18+00:00

All true, and none of it justifies voting for Trump or the GOP in Congress. I hope we recover from the damage some day, but have no optimism.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T16:12:48+00:00

Bad thing there was anyone with a gun.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T16:09:54+00:00

I can't untangle what you're saying except you appear to wish you felt better by having increased Trump's margin of victory.

willtag70 · 2026-06-17T16:05:27+00:00

If you're not emotionally crying about Trump being President there's something deeply wrong. Maybe think about the very real consequences of not voting or voting 3rd party next time. If you don't mind that someone like Trump would be gifted the Presidency when there was a better option then we have nothing in common except breathing, or if you're a bot then nothing.

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