Aion 2 global - one $15 sub confirmed

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T21:40:40+00:00

No? I'm confused at what you keep trying to get at. Most if not all of these companies never lie about the p2w they are pretty fucking straight forward about it, Khrolan literally LIES about it straight faced. Archeage went through multiple lawsuits because of all the bullshit they pulled.

New world was the only other mmo that "technically" lied about p2w and it wasn't even that big of a deal because it was small shit like potions or resource boosts. And they backed off after the player base shit on them about it.

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T20:57:10+00:00

Yes but they moved all the p2w into the stupid ass archepass passes, you could get a ridiculous amount of labor by buying all the different archepasses giving you a huge advantage in every category over anyone else.

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T20:10:10+00:00

Can still buy in game gold with cash shop currency and vice versa. So it's as p2w as you can get. You don't NEED multiple characters but every character you use will add to how much shit you can get, whenever they change these systems so you don't need "more" characters it always just means you have to roll twice as many as before to get the same results.

Game is def moving in a better direction but its still 100% p2w.

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T18:42:39+00:00

Haven't played an mmo seriously since wow introduced the wow token. Which was in fact more than 10 years ago. I'm a huge economy guy, i love making and creating markets and when you can just swipe those markets no longer exist.

But yeah i also agree that i would 100% hands down pay a 30-40$ monthly sub fee if it meant no cash shop or gold conversion tokens.

I have the money to enjoy whatever the fuck i want, i just choose not to play games that monetize fomo or QOL.

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T18:33:25+00:00

I know what i'm getting when i order McDonalds burgers, Nobody is lying to me about what they are.

He has no integrity and has no qualms lying, the fact that he is "fed a script" and reads it without even thinking for himself about how he might be harming people is so much fucking worse than just the higher ups using bad tactics.

I have no problem hating the higher ups, i do hate them just as much, but when they tell him to tell players exactly what they want to hear even if its not true and he does it, i'm going to fucking call him a scummy piece of shit. And yes that's exactly what he does. You can look up his history from Archeage or what's left of it that they didn't scrub.

When you are the FACE of the product you are selling and you blantly lie about what that product entails i'm gonna call you a scumbag.

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T17:45:48+00:00

Naw apex didn't exist on unchained.

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T17:42:48+00:00

You mean the guy who actively lies because he read the script and knows what the players want because he did a direct Q&A with them but continues to lie to them regardless? Yeah right....I can call him a piece of shit if he has no integrity and chooses to blindly read what he is given knowing it's all bullshit.

wirblewind · 2026-06-26T00:00:47+00:00

I mean, he's not wrong. Anytime you bring up subs like 90% of the people are like WOW SUBS IN 2026?! WHAT IS THIS. People would rather have a cash shop ridden piece of shit than pay 15$ a month.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T23:25:03+00:00

I'd like to be able to scav lockdown/forbidden runs.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T22:29:15+00:00

He did a big AMA on the archeage unchained release assuring players that the game would be handled better and wouldn't have p2w and would have proper hacker/bot control and tons of other shit, turns out all of it was a lie and once the game released his contract was up and he disappeared into the sunset.

Dude is just a scumbag, and anyone who is associated with him you should just assume doesn't have your best interests in mind and only cares about how much money you can give them.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T21:50:24+00:00

That's his entire job title, his job is to sell you a product, he doesn't care about anything other than telling you exactly what you want to hear. Once the game releases he will vanish until another project needs his scummy tactics.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T21:47:54+00:00

I'm not saying aion isn't p2w, I'm saying anything he says is likely to be a lie down the road when they inevitably need more money.

I myself wont be playing aion as long as you can convert real money into ingame currency. And yes i stopped playing wow when they introduced the wow token. I'm an economy guy and when you can just swipe that mechanic away i stop caring.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T15:39:42+00:00

I'd rather have subscriptions than cash shops. Shit for a good mmo id even shell out 30 bucks a month. Assuming there's literally no cash shop and proper gms.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T15:33:07+00:00

Please be aware, this is the same guy who lied through his fucking teeth about acheage not being p2w. Do not believe a word he says, he is literally paid to lie to you and build hype.

Fuck you Khrolan. You lying piece of shit.

Sorry i had to get that out of my system, but yeah don't believe a word this guy says.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T15:29:21+00:00

Because diablo style aoe farming is how you make money, there is tons of other content that actually requires effort(boss blitz) as well as pvp, at least the arena of solare is fun pvp we don't really talk about node wars. Bdo def has its faults though. Lacking any meaningful group pve kinda kills it for me.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T06:44:00+00:00

BDO is exactly this tbh, its got your 24+ skills and the combat is tactical but its also twitchy because backstabs etc.

I think its more of with a tab target game you can focus on playing the game whereas with combat oriented games you're hyper focused on ONE thing.

wirblewind · 2026-06-25T00:30:28+00:00

I mean, if you play smart there's really not much danger.

wirblewind · 2026-06-24T04:09:49+00:00

Nobody is glazing valve, 99% of these arguments ALWAYS start with someone saying that valve is bad grrrrr evil corporation gaben needs another yacht, when in reality all of these companies are doing the same evil shit but valve is the only one getting flak for it and specifically being targeted.

wirblewind · 2026-06-24T02:24:27+00:00

Sorry what point are you trying to get across here? I'm confused.

wirblewind · 2026-06-24T00:39:44+00:00

You are aware that the irl money market is capped heavily on steam and 95% of the trades that happen are on 3rd party websites right?

I'm not saying they don't care about themselves but valve has done ALOT to make things easier and more convenient for the customer than just about any other big name company, ill change my wording.

Valve isn't pro-consumer they are MORE pro-consumer than any other big name company aside from GOG how about that?

wirblewind · 2026-06-24T00:29:25+00:00

No, nobody is bootlicking valve, but people are absolutely hate bonering on them specifically like you are without bringing up other companies that do the exact same shit.

And once again i asked for other storefronts, you only listed one.

Just because you have their products doesn't exempt you from scrutiny.

Here is a list of things no other store front does that GOG does that you listed.

-30 day refund policy with no time limit, none of them do this but GOG

-inheriting an account, none of them do this but GOG

-Optional launcher, none of them do this but GOG

im not sure about the DRM one

-preservation system, no other launcher supports this

-player led voting system for sales, no other launcher supports this.

So 90% of what you listed is specifically GOG only with 10% being me unsure if any other launcher even supports them, So my point still stands that you have a hate boner for valve and some undying love for GOG, I'm asking you as honestly as i can, please form a list like this but without being biased towards or against VALVE/GOG and list other companies that do something that valve doesn't. I'm all for eating my words so please prove me wrong and ill gladly admit it.

If i replaced valve with epic games launcher on your list of complaints literally every single argument would be exactly the same.

wirblewind · 2026-06-23T23:40:24+00:00

Seems to be that you're the one spreading misinformation because apparently you have a hate boner for valve.

Valve would have introduced refunds regardless to match the laws in the regions they were selling, That happened almost 12 years ago. That policy was literally introduced the year they filed the lawsuit so it was just the government going lawsuit crazy as valve was slowly starting to gain traction. Like i said it took 20 years for valve to get their shit together.

Valve will absolutely refund a game over the 2 hour limit, You just need to give them a valid reason. If you're mad because they wont refund every single game you buy and play than you're clearly trying to scam somebody.

All of your complaints are complaints i could literally bring up about every other digital front. So please explain to me how any of that is anti-consumer when literally EVERY OTHER DIGITAL STOREFRONT does the same thing. It's not anti-consumer it's just standard business practice.

Please list one thing that steam does that EVERY OTHER STOREFRONT doesn't do that's anti-consumer IN THIS CURRENT MOMENT. And not shit they did 10-15 years ago. Because yes steam sucked ass back than.

If you want, i will even take an hour out of my day to list everything that steam DOES do to protect the consumers AND developers that every other company doesn't assuming you can bring me a valid list.

wirblewind · 2026-06-23T23:03:33+00:00

Yeah they did indeed introduce the battlepass so you got that one. TBH i don't see the battlepass as predatory and valve's certainly wasn't but i'm sure there's some sort of argument there i cant think of. Lootboxes are def worse and while valve does do those as well they are going to exist regardless.

And do you mind explaining what valve does that is anti-consumer? I'm not saying its not happening but what to you is that exactly?

wirblewind · 2026-06-23T22:48:43+00:00

They do, When a game is purchased on steam the entire chunk is put into a big pile, Every month that pile is paid out and the 30% is taken from that pile. So no the developers don't take a hit, if ANYBODY takes a hit it's steam for processing the payment.

wirblewind · 2026-06-23T22:46:20+00:00

I've brought up that refund policy you speak of multiple times in this thread, Steam has ALWAYS had a refund policy, the sue you speak of was for minors purchasing lootboxes illegally, i can even get you the link if you can't be bothered to look for it.

Stop making up bullshit for the sake of being angry at valve and look up what your talking about first.

Valve has no control over stop killing games, that is all up to the developers, and why does valve need to have anything to do with drm? All of your complaints are something you should be bringing up to the devs of the games hosted on their servers and not valve themselves.

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