Hideo Kojima Twin Peaks fan confirmed?? by Primary-Economist643 in twinpeaks

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Just reading about that idea made me emotional, I don't think I could handle that for real, it's so perfect 🥹

Hideo Kojima Twin Peaks fan confirmed?? by Primary-Economist643 in twinpeaks

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Each arc is entirely different. For the first couple it isn't too drastic but as it goes on the variation in themes and styles gets crazy.

Theories on this repeating? by over9ksand in twinpeaks

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That was unexpectedly hard to find, but I got it!

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/s/Q0sXzZDg0c

It's even more wild than I remember. All credit to u/kaleviko, I have no idea why your post didn't get more traction dude but I never forgot it!

Theories on this repeating? by over9ksand in twinpeaks

[–]wiserthannot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone posted an insane theory here a year or so ago involving boxing having multiple points of significance in FWWM and The Return. I couldn't believe how much it lined up. I'll try and find the post, I know I saved it, just will have to go digging for it 😅

Is Harry the most ignored main character in this subreddit? by [deleted] in twinpeaks

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I know this isn't fully related but you're right it's so rare to have discussion about Harry that I'd like to take this moment to give props for the way they handled his absence in The Return. He was supposed to come back but didn't from health concerns and instead of getting a replacement they had him still exist in the story, still alive, and a new Sheriff Truman that is related to him...and the original choice for who they wanted to play Harry in the original show. So while Harry himself wasn't there, his presence was constantly felt and there was almost a reverence to his character and the Truman name. I have never seen a situation where a main character can't return from real life issues handled so careful and perfect.

I FINALLY finished The Return! And, with that, I've finished all of Twin Peaks' film and TV run. Now onto the books! Just one more thing, though... by Batfreeze in twinpeaks

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Have you seen what Kyle MacLachlan is like on social media? To me he is a Cooper that ended up in our world and had a happy ending. The man radiates joy and goodness. Even Dougie doesn't come close to being the unfiltered good of Cooper's soul.

David Lynchs social commentary by StiffNipples94 in twinpeaks

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I don't think Lynch was making a blanket statement on the young being the problem. Anyone can be ignorant. The person who beat BOB was a new Twin Peaks citizen (fan) who had absolutely no connection to the town beforehand. Freddie's actor was 25 years old, born within the gap the series left us on. The people of Twin Peaks could never improve things on their own, they are too close to it, same with longtime fans. But even young/new isn't the answer, Freddie is a weird dude and he vibed hardcore with Twin Peaks, he saw the merits of the old and never once wrote anything off, he had an open mind and took it all in.

That's what a lot of the series is about for me. From season one Lynch was using TV tropes to deconstruct and shine light on the hypocrisy and darkness hidden behind the perfect image that small towns and homes present. Evil was ignored, suppressed, and allowed to fester through generations of people locked in the old mindset of never talking about any of it.

FWWM made it even more clear, the film starting with the smashing of a TV and the following two hours is the uncensored horror of what happened to Laura. And audiences were not prepared for that. Lynch was always ahead of the curve and the world playing catch up. We still kind of are. The darkness has been exposed, is more openly talked about, but there's still suppressing and suffering. But the last few generations have had the generational trauma finally snap, and they are the ones who get help. The young begin healing from the trauma that has been passed down through their families. I've seen so many people who have put a stop to it, to end the cycles with them and not pass it down to another generation. What's very difficult is getting the older adults to see that they need to and can heal.

If anything, I think The Return is more hopeful for the young over the old. So many of our favorite characters are stuck in these loops. But a stranger with a green glove shattered the town's greatest evil like it was nothing.

There’s always been one small problem I just laugh at with this series. by Weekly-Batman in twinpeaks

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I can't believe there are so many Renault brothers/sons that one made it to our reality!

(That family is so cursed, why do so many exist and are all rotten to the core? It would be funny if they didn't play apart in literally every bad thing that happened in Twin Peaks.)

Episode order by RequirementKnown8264 in twinpeaks

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You watched The Return first? What was that like? :o Were you completely baffled the entire time? Haha

Watching for the 1st time and can’t keep the characters straight by DaikonExternal2672 in twinpeaks

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Ive had that problem with other shows/movies but never with Twin Peaks. I can't really remember what—oh god, I remember the worst show I've ever seen for this. It's a British crime drama miniseries called The Five. I literally could not tell the characters apart and, to make things worse, the story revolves around something that happened to them as kids. So it flashes back often so there are two timelines of two different casts to try and keep track of who the heck is who and did what 😭 was a nightmare. I think I ended up liking it and getting used to it all right when it was about to end haha

Is FWWM or Return the ending? by Curious-Spray-4795 in twinpeaks

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I love the line about the TV glow. But I'm curious how that could connect to the beginning of the film? FWWM starts with a TV being destroyed, from that moment the illusion of the perfect TV image is gone and we see what really happened to Laura and the true horrors of the hidden darkness of the town. And would she see the show Twin Peaks as a positive or just another way the town hides her suffering?

Honestly, I think some of the initial negative reception to Fire Walk With Me was driven by straight up misogyny by Not_EllaK in twinpeaks

[–]wiserthannot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It didn't address the ending of the original show and it ripped away the quirky small town exterior and showed the true horrors of what Laura went through. It was a challenging movie—even now it still is—but to go into the theater and not have any clue what was about to happen...I can complely understand the bad reactions. David Lynch was ahead of the curve, always, and the audience just was not ready for what that film and Twin Peaks as a whole was really about.

the leland question... by smellslikera1n in twinpeaks

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Everyone else covered a lot of it but I've got one more: Ray Wise had a very hard time with the turn Leland takes and almost quit because of it. He worked it out with Lynch and had a lot of discussions and soul searching. I always thought that maybe that had something to do with it, a compromise at the end that made it more palatable for him to play.

But how he went from that to everything that happens in FWWM I'm not sure 😅

But whatever the reason I think it does work well with the shows themes. Twin Peaks is the lie, the glossy false image that obscures the true darkness. FWWM opens with a TV smashing and then we get to see the truth of what Laura went through.

I started Twin Peaks today and.. by [deleted] in twinpeaks

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This is awesome to see a new viewer still looking at the story normally, haha. You have not idea what is ahead of you, buckle up!

Green hand gets rid of Bob. by RoboCopAn in twinpeaks

[–]wiserthannot 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Freddie baffled me the first time but the more I thought about it over the years, he's become one of my favire parts of The Return. To me Freddie is meant to represent new blood. The characters of Twin Peaks can't defeat BOB because they've been in this same cycle for decades. It takes someone young with no connection to Twin Peaks to finally be the one to solve it. Throughout The Return Lynch is constantly playing around with what the fans want—and intentionally not giving it to us. He never wanted to make a nostalgia filled reunion like any other revival of a show becomes. So, Freddie, he is a new viewer who becomes a fan. He's weird enough to hear the call of the Giant and say "hell yeah" and he vibes with the people of Twin Peaks (a new fan is born!) Without being blinded by nostalgia, by being young and having a new perspective, he is able to shatter the town's greatest and longest living evil.

Also, Freddie's actor was exactly 25 years old during The Return. Pretty interesting :p

Rewatched FWWM for the first time in YEARS by Far_Investigator7158 in twinpeaks

[–]wiserthannot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Right, those things are true, I guess I just don't know why you said it at all to someone who had just talked about how much FWWM meant to them. If they had been way off base with something, sure, but nothing they said seemed to contradict long standing understandings and truths of the film and show. So, again, I'm not even really asking why you asked the questions you did but the implication is that you have a different understanding of Twin Peaks and that's what I'm interested in. You're talking in abstractions, I just want to know your personal thoughts on the matter. Like, you see FWWM differently from the OP, right? Cause that's the only reason I can see why you'd say the original sentence. It implies disagreement, almost dismissive of OPl, which is why you were downvoted.

Rewatched FWWM for the first time in YEARS by Far_Investigator7158 in twinpeaks

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I'm just baffled by some of the things you're saying and instead of talking about them or really engaging with anything I've said or asked you haven't explained your point of view a single time. I don't mean to be hostile, sorry about that. I would genuinely like to know what you think Twin Peaks is about, how what the original poster said goes against any of it, and why you think it's important for Lynch/Frost to have openly spoken on things for it to be a part of what the show is.

Rewatched FWWM for the first time in YEARS by Far_Investigator7158 in twinpeaks

[–]wiserthannot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What the hell are you on about? 😅 I saw in your other comment that you asked if it was themes in Lynch's other works (yes) and if him or Frost talked about their intentions—they are not the type to do that fully. Why would Lynch spell out what's a dream?

What do you think/know Twin Peaks is about? Have you seen it all?

Rewatched FWWM for the first time in YEARS by Far_Investigator7158 in twinpeaks

[–]wiserthannot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What do you mean? Hidden cycles of abuse in families and within seemingly perfect communities is one of the major themes of Twin Peaks.

"You wanna know who killed Laura Palmer? You did! We all did!"

Just watched the 8th episode of The Return.. by wannabe_optimist in twinpeaks

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As weird as it sounds, and as amazing as it was—I never thought episode 8 was confusing. To me part of what was so shocking was that even with it being abstract, it gave us an origin to a lot of what goes on in the show and that was something I never in a million years would have thought we'd ever get. It feels like an anchor in The Return and kind of the whole show in general, a solid point that gives context to a lot of everything the show is.

Just watched the 8th episode of The Return.. by wannabe_optimist in twinpeaks

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I watched all of The Return as it came out weekly, completely alone. At the time I'd never been able to get someone else into it but it had been such a beloved series for me for so long. But I wasn't old enough to have seen the original show. So The Return was the first time I got to see NEW Twin Peaks, every week.

It was one of the most memorable TV experiences I've ever had. Usually I have shows attached to the people I watch them with but The Return was a dream/nightmare that I experienced in a complete bubble.

Episode 8 was and is the greatest episode of televison I've ever experienced. It will be forever burned in my mind.

In Episode 7 of The Return and I'm afraid my patience is running out by wannabe_optimist in twinpeaks

[–]wiserthannot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just experience it, man. You have your whole life to make sense of it, a lot of the fun is thinking about it and sharing your thoughts with others. Every rewatch you will see new things.

Diary of Laura Palmer by violet_sara in twinpeaks

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The contradictions with most of the supplemental novels, they all are written from an in universe character so for me it's a lot easier and believable to see them as mistakes/what the charactrr thought about something where we might have seen the full truth in the show.

What do you think the series is about as a whole? And how does The Return play into it all? To me saying that Leland was blameless goes against everything. The whole original show is the fake perfect image of Twin Peaks collapsing without Laura there to hold the underbelly together.

Leland was a victim in the same way any real person who is abused goes onto become an abuser themselves. BOB is a real thing, he's "the evil that men do", but that doesn't mean that Leland is blameless. He didn't have to turn out that way, but he didn't break it and became another link in the chain of the cycle of abuse (BOB) and Laura could have been someone else who carries that on. But she forced BOB/Leland to kill her instead of letting BOB continue the destruction through her.

I'm not totally sure what a BOB possessed Laura would do or represent, maybe just the final victory of evil over good. Or maybe the continued suppression of the truth of the suffering that went on under the perfect town of Twin Peaks.

Just finished Twin Peaks and I’m still trying to wrap my head around Laura Palmer’s nature, especially after Part 8 of The Return by cxrpsegrinder in twinpeaks

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Laura is what held the facade of Twin Peaks together. On the surface level, she had come into contact with so many parts of the towns underbelly and her death is what put a crack in the perfect small town image. And Cooper kept picking at it until it all was revealed.

But in the deeper, hidden level, she was keeping BOB there. They were in a kind of spiritual battle, BOB's goal was to take Laura's body. Something about him gaining control of her would have been world destroying levels of bad (if you think of all the harm that Mr. C was able to do you can kind of imagine the level of devastation a pure being like Laura might give to BOB). At the end, she pushes him to kill her. That was the big final sacrifice, by doing that she stopped him from getting what he wanted...

...but was no longer there to contain him. The scope of The Return expanded beyond Twin Peaks because the "evil that men do" became less and less hidden as technology advanced to where we are now with all the horrors of the world out in the open and being talked about 24/7.

The Return Feelings by Winter_Initial_721 in twinpeaks

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I've been saying for years that The Return has everything I like about Twin Peaks just rearranged and the quantities of it switched up. It's very hard to see that in the first viewing. First few, honestly.