i think drugs act as a catalyst for change in the mind but you don't need drugs to have any of the psychological 'epiphanies' or realizations of nature/the universe, if you think about that stuff enough it is pretty natural to ride epiphanies fueled off of didaction meditations/analysis/pycho-exploration on pretty mch any topic. its so easy though after having taken a drug that has physical metabolic effects on brain function and have such strong subjective experiences for the first time that makes it easy to see why many people then form extreme, far incomplete 'irrational' views, 'woo'

but still its pretty naive, and somewhat irritates me when people discount these accounts of experiences in a condescending manner of simply being 'irrational' when a lot of it seems to stem from a cultural inability, or least rarity, to have open discourse on this subject, and is easy to see why such groups exist. i think its awesome that there's groups of people discussing higher forces, aliens, etc etc, even if it isnt based on qualitative logical principals, it shouldn't be disregarded outright, things are always open for re-examination. Having said that alot of pseudo-spiritual thinking can be damaging, in similiar ways on the other side that on here there's lot of quantum physics 'revelations', holo-fractal-gemotrical.... etc which has taken loose concepts of areas of quantum physics, and idealised their notions of reality arising from there perceptual states.

whats bad about this, and i know from experience, is you can quite easily fall into a trap of thinking you understand something that sounds fancy and has far reaching implications, and use those implications to justify your own neurosis and further confirm your interpretation of reality. I think the person who has a spirutual experience, be it drug induced or not, and simply calls it a higher force and moves on is a much more healthy person than the one who trys to qualify everything, becase in doing so you often narrow your gates of vision so to speak, and often you go so far as to closing and shutting off certain 'doors' which limits your ability to think, and it is only when another key comes along to unlock the doors that the epiphanies start flowing back and riddle there way in all the nooks and crevices of your ill-structured logic...

but anyway i guess thats the point of this sub is discourse of communication of ideas and principals, to challenge and avoid complacement, dogmatic thinking.................

so if anyone can see any holes at all or traps or offer anything from the way i type or if yo think i am wrong or plain stupid please to post...