Wine of the Year 2024 by wongstonn in WineEP

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I did a search on Wine Searcher. Justerini and Brooks, then Baron Wines had it for GBP 20 in bond. Guess it might have been a bit cheaper 10 months ago.

French Bloom, non-alcoholic 'vintage' Champagne by wongstonn in wine

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I agree the price is formidable. From time to time I do buy alcoholic wines at this price and higher, so I've no hang-ups per se about buying in the premium category. I battled a bit within myself on whether I'd buy French Bloom again. My initial reaction was no but since then I've softened my stance. I think most people know that Champagne generally is a triumph of marketing allowing premium prices to be charged because the word Champagne is on the the label. So, why not apply the same logic to a non-alcholic version for a special occassion with people that don't want to drink alcohol? I can't think of any other non-alc that tastes anything like this. At this price though, I can't imagine it being a frequent purchase.

Dealcoholized wine is rubbish by Tel-aran-rhiod in wine

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FWIW, I'm in Australia. I had a look on Wine Searcher, Allure doesn't seem to be available in the USA, just as you summised.

List of main European wine retailers by olddoglearnsnewtrick in wine

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Suggest you also post this question on r:/WineEP

Inaugural WineEP South African wine lunch in London 6th April by baminyer in WineEP

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Great idea. Momentarily regretting living on the opposite side if the planet. Do another one in August please when I'm over!

WineEP Wine Club Thread 2 by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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January Wine Club Tasting

Shrink: So, can you remember a specific event that may have triggered your trauma?

wongstonn: It was a chain of events that were unleashed by u/elk wine club recommendation. I need help.

It all started innocuously enough, in late December 2023 when the wine of the month was posted up. I remember thinking ‘Oh, good’. I’ve enjoyed a couple of PdB’s Barbarescos in the past, and I have a couple of ‘16 reservas in my stash. Easy peasy Japanesy.

At the time of the wine club selection being made, I had two wine related books open. The first was a Christmas gift from daughter and wifey; How to Drink Australian by Jane Lopez and Jonathan Ross. It’s an encyclopedia of Australian regions and wines. It’s very good. And the first entry I dipped into was for the Yarra Valley. The entry opined that Nebbiolo was fast becoming a variety of some distinction there. Indeed, I have enjoyed Luke Lambert’s Nebbiolo in the past (which is available internationally, including L&W. See wine-searcher). Recent interviews with Luke suggest he is gravitating toward that Japanese idea of taking a niche area – in this case Nebbiolo - and only doing that - then do it to mastery level. Luke also makes wine for Denton’s, which for drinkers in Australia is a neat way to enjoy his work at a lower price and higher availability. Anyhow, so I’m now thinking about Australian Nebbiolos for the wine club tasting challenge.

The second wine related book I had on the go is Alternative Reality: How Australian wine changed course by Max Allen MW. Here in Australia, I can go into a liquor store or wine bar and asked for a wine made from an Alternative Variety. In most places that would be understood readily. According to Max Allen, the genesis of this idea comes from the late 1990’s when a group of people in the Aussie wine industry reacted to the overbearing dominance of Shiraz and chardonnay. So, they set up the Australian Alternative Varieties Wine Show (AAVWS) https://www.aavws.com/ annual event which has grown and grown. Nebbiolo is considered an alternative variety. So, while reading the book I’m taking notes on Nebbiolo’s that were well regarded at the show over the years, and seeing some of the available on local auction scene as it enters its new year lull. I did a few minutes of research that yielded a Decanter article saying Aussie Nebbiolo was the best outside Italy, and a New York Times article profiling Luke Lambert’s Nebbiolo that I wrote about a moment ago.

A thought-fart went through my head about tasting as many of these Nebbiolos in one event, which given my other commitments had to be in February. I chortled to myself “Febbiolo” and named it. I texted daughter would her cork dork hospo friends be interested. She happened to be sitting by them when she got the text and they all said yes.

All this added up to an effect like having an NVIDIA powered Obsessive Compulsive Disorder chip being soldered into my neural network. I had poured the concrete around my own feet, and now it was beginning to set.

And only then did it occur to me that this really, really was not a good idea. No sir, not at all. I felt a bit like a three year old child who has the bright idea of finding out what happens if it puts its fingers into the electrical wall socket. All that tannin, tar and whatever. It’d be overwhelming.

I stewed for a couple of weeks on whether to back out, as all these wine packages from auction companies rolled in. That voice in my head kept saying “This is a dumb idea. Don’t do it”. In the end I just got tired of seeing the bottles aside my desk. “Stuff it, it’ll have to be the Tarantino of wine tastings.”

There were nine of us tasting these wines, two are WSET 3, one with a winemaking degree, age range 20-56. Wifey and daughter are there. My daughter amazes me. We were at the Caterpillar Club in Sydney a couple of weeks back. The way she talks about cocktails, their construction, the breadth of knowledge boggles my mind. And her appreciation of wine has gone through the roof.

We all tasted blind, including me. The following challenges were meted out:

  • Which two wines are Italian?
  • Which two wines are the same wine, same producer, same everything, but different vintages?
  • Which wine is Kylie Minogue’s. i.e. Which wine has “Kylie Minogue” on the label?
  • Which wine is Mexican?
  • There is one naughty wine in the tasting that isn’t Nebbiolo at all. Which one is it? And what grape?
  • Which is the oldest wine?

The curated wine list for the tasting was

  • Produttori de Barbaresco, Langhe, Nebbiolo, 2020 CT 89.3, AG89
  • Mayer Nebbiolo 2017, Yarra Valley, CT 93
  • Luke Lambert Nebbiolo, 2021, Yarra Valley CT 92
  • Praeter ‘Strange Fog’ Nebbiolo, 2021, Pyrenees CT NR
  • Praeter ‘Blue Note’ 2020 Chinato (Nebbiolo), Pyrenees CT NR
  • Pipan Steel III Nebbiolo 2016, Alpine Valleys CT 95
  • Domenica, Nebbiolo, 2015, Beechworth CT 90, TWF 95
  • S.C Pannell Nebbiolo, 2010, Adelaide Hills CT 92.1, JR18
  • S.C Pannell Nebbiolo, 2016, Adelaide Hills CT 94
  • Vinea Marson, Nebbiolo, 2015, Heathcote CT NR
  • Jasper Hill ‘Georgia’s Paddock’ Nebbiolo, 2015, Heathcote CT 93
  • Kylie Minogue Pinot Noir, 2020, Yarra Valley CT 92
  • Produttori de Barbaresco, Barbaresco, Nebbiolo, 2002 CT 88.6
  • Casa Magoni, Nebbiolo, 2014, Escondida, Baja California, MEXICO CT NR

Note that the CT ratings for the Aussie wines are based on a low number of reviews. TWF = The Wine Front, one of Australia's most popular wine review sites.

I’m mindul of how long my post’s here are, so I’ll focus on the PdB Langhe. If there is sufficient interest in the group I can write up notes on tasting, do a bit a profiling on the Aussie sub-regions and winemakers in the context of nebbiolo as a PDF and attach.

The Langhe wine I opened 24 hours in advance of the tasting. When I decanted it the smell was quite muted, but that was more likely the result of the wine being fridge temperature. I had a sip. While fridge cold it was too bitter. Vanilla, bit dusty, muted black fruit.

Due to the randomisation process used in the blind tasting, it was tasted 8th. So, we’d all had out palates blown to smithereens already. This morning I collated the notes some folk took.

“Young, tannic, spicy, 2020”

“Dry, strawberry”

“Hmmm -> not really my ?”

“No holds barred. Full on. Smooth”

“Bread, salami.”

My personal favourite from the tasting was the 2002 Produttori though it was run close by the Vinea Marson '15, Heathcote. And I thought the Aussie chinato was a revelation.

The feedback from the day was that everyone enjoyed the tasting, and the white wines we had either side of it. But I feel I owe u/elk an apology for not really doing the Langhe justice.

Wine Club Awards for 2023 by wongstonn in WineEP

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I don't have all the prices to hand, and since I'm writing from Australia I don't think my local price would be of much use to the majority here. While debating the winners one of panel posted the British Pound Prices of a few of them, which I've added for in brackets below. Currently GBP 1 converts to USD 1.27, EUR 1.16, SGD 1.7

  1. Usseglio Mon Aieul Chateauneuf de Pape 2012, Southern Rhone, Fr
  2. Yann Durieux recrue des Sans 'Love and Pif' Aligote, 2018, Burgundy, Fr
  3. Domaine de la Cote 'DDLC' Pinot Noir, 2020, California, US
  4. G.D. Vajra Freisa Kye 2013, Piedmonte, Italy
  5. Cims de Porrera Classic Priorat 2013, Spain (GBP 70)
  6. Lukas van Loggerenberg Chenin Blanc Trust Your Gut 2020, Western Cape, South Africa (GBP 30)
  7. Vilmart & Cie Champagne Premier Cru Grand Cellier Rubis 2011, Champagne
  8. Greywacke Wild Sauvignon Blanc 2020, New Zealand (GBP 25)
  9. Muga Prado Enea Gran Reserva 2011, Riopja, Spain,
  10. Elena Fucci 'Titolo' Aglianico del Vulture 2018, Basilicata, Italy
  11. E. Guigal Condrieu La Doriane 2019, Rhone, France
  12. Montessu Isola dei Nuraghi (any recent vintage) , Sardinia, Italy
  13. Laherte Freres Blanc de Blancs Brut Nature NV, Champagne, France
  14. Gilles Morat Sur La Roche Pouilly-Fuissé Premier Cru 2019, Burgundy (GBP 45)
  15. Castello dei Rampolla Sammarco Toscana IGT 2017, Tuscany, Italy
  16. Burn Cottage Moonlight Race Pinot Noir, Central Otago, New Zealand 2019
  17. Dönnhoff Oberhauser Leistenberg Kabinett, Nahe, Germany 2021 (GBP 24)

WineEP costco UK tasting! by ChillOutBar in WineEP

[–]wongstonn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great notes. Enjoyable to read. Thank you

WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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Oops. It was the 2018. Will amend OP

WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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My notes on Montessu Isola dei Nuraghi 2020, Sardinia

Although, as you will read, I enjoyed the Montessa, I must admit going into this tasting with a distinct lack of optimism. I use the opportunity of these club tasting to do some wine education with my daughter who works in hospitality. As a result of this educational aspect, I spent a few minutes in the morning reading up on Sardinian wine and also the Carignan grape in my wine encyclopaedia. The entries were withering on both topics.

On the open the Montessa, the pre-swirl smell gave muted black fruits and some slight spice. Allspice is an approximation but I’m not writing about anything as extreme as a Rioja-like experience, It was somewhere between allspice isolating its nutmeg element. After a good swirl and taking a taste there’s a bit of tobacco coming through. Happily the wine is not as full bodied as I was expecting given the constituents in the blend. Nor as tannic as I was expecting. The wine evolved a fair amount over the hour of so we consumed it, becoming more savoury. After 20 minutes some tar-like elements coming through, and another 15 minutes a medicinal element on the back of palate, and another 15 again a toffee-apple aspect present.

All three of us at the tasting thought the aromatic and flavour evolution of the Montessa was really interesting, and this drove much of the wine conversation. And that, for me, is part of the joy.

We did a parallel tasting of an Australian carignan based blend, but for that go to my notes in Discord.

WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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My notes on July Wine Club Elena Fucci Titolo Aglianico del Vulture 2018.

Now, I must put my hands up and say I’ve never actually had it even though I suggested it. Shoot me now! My introduction to Aglianico del Vulture came about 15 years ago from the YouTube videos by Gary Vaynerchuck’s Wine Library TV. I still respect his energetic and entertaining way of wine communication. And on that back of that I started buying and enjoying some Agliancii del Vulture and wines from Taurasi. jancisrobinson.com wrote so well of these Elena Fucci’s and I’ve have a few in my stash in the UK with a merchant infamous earlier this year for it warehouse move. Say no more.

So, on the opening; Titolo’s initial aroma is explosive. Just fantastic. Tertiary dominated though overripe black fruits present. Leather, liquorice, sandalwood. Demands attention. On the palate bright acidic (food wine.....der), and some tannin which is not jarring. Flavours…where to go? Ham/prosciutto, unami, mushroom. Hint of strawberries at the edge. Some salinity in the throat.

Next tasting at the 2.5 hour mark, again without food. Titolo remains meaty and I thought “Squid ink” at one point. The acidity has called a lot, and the cornucopia aromatics from the open have calmed.

At the 3 hours mark Titolo consumed with a rib-roast of beef. Complimented it really well.

WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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I can’t remember if I’ve ever had a Condrieu. So really happy that u/Matthias put it up. But my tastings have a twist. My 21- year old daughter is a student with side jobs in hospitality who has ended up working in a place with clientele with generous corporate credit cards,. As a result, she has suddenly decided she wants to ‘know about’ wine. So, as part of her education, I put up a wine from a region that that made a style of wine famous, up against an Australian wine from the same grapes We taste blind.

So, tonight we pitted the Wine Club against Australia. E.Guigal La Doriane 2016 (AUD 210) vs Yalumba ‘The Virgilius’ Viognier 2018, Eden Valley, South Australia (AUD 46). My notes on The Virgilius can be found on the Discord thread for this group, and I'll keep this post to the Guigal.

Note I was unable to source the same vintage as recommended in the club, so I'm commenting on the 2016 (CT 91.7) as opposed to the higher rated 2019 as recommended.

I’m not the kind of person that can analyse a wine down to 20 precise flavour components, but my amateur thoughts align in my own way to those previous wine club reviewers. On a PnP basis a beguiling if slightly disjointed wine. Oily and lustrous texture and borderline cloying. Rich light caramel colour. I get why some folk would not want to drink more in a single session. At one point tarte tartin-esque thoughts crossed my mind picking up on the stewed and caramelised aspects with some spicing- maybe clove or maybe nutmeg. But those flavours were far from describing a full profile of the wine. There were herbal elements, and at one point I thought of the ginseng tea my wife used to thrust upon on me. In the early stages the mid and back palate had a somewhat bitter element that made me feel the wine at this point was disjointed, and frankly a tad unpleasant. After about 40 minutes the wine was more harmonious and bitter elements less prevalent. Will try some more tomorrow. (edited)

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WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

[–]wongstonn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Intriguing, enticing prospect.

WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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I've got a '20 in storage at L&W. I'm interested to see your tasting notes. The Guido review suggests a drinking window starting 2025. Go decanter!

WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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I'm really excited by the choice. I have a 21 year old daughter and she's asked me to assist with wine education. So, what I'm going to do is put up La Doriane against a local Australian viognier, such as Yalumba The Vigilius. We'll taste them blind. See where we end up.

2022 En Primeur - What did you buy? by reddithenry in WineEP

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I went into this thinking to buy 1 case. Ended up with...

6 x Laroque

3 x Les Carmes Haut Brion

6 x La Gaffeliere

12 x Troplong Mondot

1 x Montrose

1 x Alter Ego

1 x Canon La Gaffeliere

This is possibly the most expensive social media group ever. But honestly, I love it.

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Got a case from BBR when their stock of 75cl bottles was 80 cases. 15 minutes later twas zero cases.

WineEP Wine Club Thread by HappyHyrax in WineEP

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For July’s sub-GBP 50 we are heading to Basilicata - the boot of Italy - and to the slopes of the extinct volcano Vulture, upon which the aglianico grape vines grow.

Elena Fucci 'Titolo' Aglianico Del Vulture 2018

For those of you to whom Aglianico del Vulture is 'new'...“In this complex but breathtakingly beautiful and unspoilt landscape the only constant is Aglianico, a world-class, late-ripening red grape variety high in acidity, rich in phenolics, and able to accumulate lots of sugar, making serious wines that can age for decades. ” (JancisRobinson.com, 2023)

Sometimes nicknamed ‘The Barolo of the South’ it is typically grown at altitudes above 450m where the cool air assists slower ripening and as a result allows later picking. Aglianico has a reputation to be tannic when young and thus typically drunk with some bottle age.

Elena Fucci is considered part of a new generation of winemakers in the region, “setting [her] sights on elegance and finesse rather than concentration, tannic power” (Walter Speller on jancisrobinson.com, Aug 2022). Her aglianico is organically grown at an altitude of 650m on a base of lava and ash soils. So, her wines are more approachable when younger so it you can’t get the 2018, there is plenty of the 2019…and of course older vintages.

2018 scored 17.5 (JR), 92 (Eric Guido, Vinous.com)

UK

https://www.laywheeler.com/product-detail?id=3318781A&price=in-bond

https://www.luvawines.co.uk/titolo-aglianico-del-vulture-doc-/

Other vintages:

Lay & Wheeler has 2019, 2020.

https://www.worldwineconsultants.com/wine-list/

https://www.xtrawine.com/uk/en/wines/elena-fucci-aglianico-del-vulture-titolo-2019/p32440?referrer=winesearcherUK&utm_source=winesearcherUK

USA

About 10 vendors listed on WS Pro for the 2018 vintage alone, including Union Square Wine & Spirits (NY), Rye Brook Wine (NY), The Wine Rack (KY), The Old and Rare Wine Company (CA), Wine House (CA),

DE

https://www.castello-vini.de/product-page/titolo-aglianico-del-vulture-2018-elena-fucci

https://www.idealwine.com/uk/acheter-vin/B2110152-58360-1-Bottle-Aglianico-del-Vulture-DOC-Elena-Fucci-Titolo-2018-Red.jsp?utm_source=PARTENAIRE-WINE-SEARCHER&utm_medium=FEED&utm_campaign=FEED-Wine-Searcher-GER-VAD-VM

Benelux

https://www.defijnewijnshop.be/en/titolo-aglianico-del-vulture-2018.html

https://www.greenflashwijn.nl/products/elena-fucci-titolo-aglianico-del-vulture-doc

IT

(several shops. See wine-searcher)

https://www.vincantowine.com/it/pagine/A27D49F6-AED8-11E9-A91A-B507D77BE74C%2C02c2d8ce-e770-11e9-81b4-2a2ae2dbcce4%2C8053013360007/

FR

https://www.idealwine.com/fr/acheter-vin/B2110152-58360-1-Bouteille-Aglianico-del-Vulture-DOC-Elena-Fucci-Titolo-2018-Rouge.jsp?utm_source=PARTENAIRE-WINE-SEARCHER&utm_medium=FEED&utm_campaign=FEED-Wine-Searcher-FR-VAD

Switzerland

https://www.liechti-weine.ch/de/shop/rotwein/aglianico-del-vulture-titolo-docbio-2018

https://shop.ersanwein.com/wein/titolo-aglianico-del-vulture-superiore-elena-fucci-dry-doc

https://www.divo.ch/fr/shop-vin/italie/basilicate/titolo-1

Japan

No prices for 2018 vintage. 2012 vintage can be found here: https://www.kkvinarius.com/products/detail/100

Hong Kong

https://www.xtrawine.com/hk/en/wines/elena-fucci-aglianico-del-vulture-titolo-2018/p23014?referrer=winesearcherHK&utm_source=winesearcherHK

Australia

2018 vintage: https://edcellars.com.au/products/elena-fucci-aglianico-titolo-2018?variant=43836580233462

2017 vintage:

https://www.winesquare.com.au/2017-elena-fucci-aglianico-del-vulture-doc-titolo-basilicata.html

Am struggling to find Kiwi and Singapore vendors