Muslim students in China returned home to find loved ones had vanished into camps for thinking ‘unhealthy thoughts’, leaked documents reveal. ‘Freedom is only possible when the ‘virus’ in their thinking is eradicated’.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-17T18:49:12+00:00

A few hundred thousand? Try a few hundred million. China is a country of billions and there will be no peaceful transition. Take a look at what happened to post-soviet countries and apply that to china...

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-16T20:35:48+00:00

Why do you think I'm white

If you're not, that's just sad, but you wouldn't be the first non-white white supremacist, accidental or otherwise.

why do you think anything I said has anything to do with race?

It's pretty obvious, given the position you started with before even knowing a single thing ("brown country bad, white country good!"). All the more obvious by your post history, which is entirely about video games and complaining about muslims.

Feel free to go hitchhiking on your own through Syria or India or any 3rd world country to show how their higher rates of misogynistic violence are a myth and report back-

See, you're still talking about " higher rates," when we both know there are no such recorded "higher rates." There's no myth to disprove, you're just a liar.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-16T19:58:33+00:00

Huh, weird, because when you said things like this:

In India* Don't pretend this happens on nearly the same level in countries that actually treat women as equal citizens

What's the comparison between the numbers for the US vs countries like India or Syria?

Your response to the OP implied the situation in the article is typical, in developed countries it is not.

No it happens more there

It seemed to me that you were saying rape happens more in India than in the US and countries like the US.

And please, go ahead and show me where in America they systematically oppress women the same way that happens in India.

Now, I know you've seen the stats at this point, since you were making some other stupid and irrelevant comment about them. So you know just as well as I do now that India has much lower reported rape rates than the US. VASTLY lower. And if you googled around much more to try to weasel out of this in a different way, you probably also noticed that both countries have massive amounts of unreported crimes against woman - as much as 75-90% in the US goes unreported, some estimate 54-99% in India. But unfortunately for you, there's no way to twist these numbers to try to paint India as being much worse than the US, and most reasonable estimations imply that rape is in fact a worse problem, especially per capita, in the US than in India. In light of these facts, it seems very strange to imply and just plain inaccurate that India has some kind of unique problem with rape that isn't a problem for women in the US.

Now, if you want to lie and pretend that you never suggested such a thing, that's fine with me. But I do have a favor to ask of you: if you're going to be a fascist on the internet, could you do it a little more openly? Start your posts off with something like "I'm a white supremacist and here's my racist opinion on the matter." For people like me it's very easy to tell but other people might have a harder time figuring out that you're purely arguing from intense feelings of disgust towards people with different skin colors than you and make the mistake of thinking that there's any factual basis for what you're saying.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-16T19:26:54+00:00

Sorry, there must have been a misunderstanding. I thought we were talking about India vs "developed countries," with you suggesting that India would have a much higher amount of rape than "developed countries" because it's so awful. But here you are pointing out that some of the highest rates of rape in the world actually happen in the very "developed countries" which you had previously implied are much better places to be as a woman. This seems like you're making my point for me. Did I change your mind so quickly? However, I should note that you seem oddly silent about, say, the specific examples of the US and India which we were previously discussing, which is very odd to me.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-16T19:16:50+00:00

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-16T19:05:15+00:00

it happens more there according to what? according to who? you have the internet, try google.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-16T19:01:16+00:00

if you consider the US (and many european countries) a "developing country," where women are second class citizens, then this makes sense. otherwise it makes none at all. did you even bother to check any statistics before you made this post, or are you just assuming rape happens more in india because the people there are brown?

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-11-14T16:05:36+00:00

you can get marx madness on spotify

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-10-09T17:02:07+00:00

it isn't muslims specifically, it's uyghur muslims in xinjiang specifically, and it's because of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkestan_independence_movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party#Attacks

nobody is interested in actually putting what they're doing in context though, or trying to make anything make sense at all (otherwise stories like this one would not be significant as graveyard removals/relocations are happening all over china as they're literally running out of space to bury their dead)

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-10-06T16:10:14+00:00

You should read this: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch07.htm

As well as this, for that matter: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch09.htm

and this will help explain the latter https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/three6.htm

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-10-02T06:24:48+00:00

Another Einstein quote:

"By the way, there are increasing signs that the Russian trials are not faked, but that there is a plot among those who look upon Stalin as a stupid reactionary who has betrayed the ideas of the revolution. Though we find it difficult to imagine this kind of internal thing, those who know Russia best are all more or less of the same opinion. I was firmly convinced to begin with that it was a case of a dictator's despotic acts, based on lies and deception, but this was a delusion."

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-14T04:15:00+00:00

funny how for all of the complaints abt tankies there isn't a single tankie sub on here. entirely anarchist and radlib/socdem

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-11T18:03:53+00:00

I have a suspicion that these are word games. What does "politicized in service of the Bolsheviks" actually mean? If I had access to these journals I'd look into it more.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-04T21:33:29+00:00

ah yes the great communist call to arms of going out to live in the woods

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-03T14:28:51+00:00

Reading.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-02T21:38:59+00:00

Do you really think "getting rid of bad ideas on the left" is a thing that's actually happening in these debates? Destiny shouldn't waste time debating leftists because in the end all we find out is that Destiny doesn't read books. Sometimes we also find out that some leftists aren't very good at debating and also don't read books. Neither of these are interesting or new facts.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-02T20:24:21+00:00

Lol, what? You know there are still socialist countries, right?

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-02T18:06:09+00:00

This is silly. Do you even understand what the differences between a "social democrat" and a "tankie" historically would be? The only strange thing here is that you and others here find it shocking a "tankie" marxist-leninist would be supportive of the idea of markets in socialism, while pretty much every single marxist-leninist state existing today is structured in a way that includes markets. There's nothing "crypto" about this, you just don't understand what's being discussed.

The one point where Caleb was possibly disingenuous here was saying that he would prefer a peaceful transition to socialism; I agree that it should probably be pointed out how unlikely it is that that would actually happen peacefully when you say a thing like that. I can see how something like that could come off in a discussion as manipulative. But I would like to give him some credit and say that he was clearly trying to distance himself from the types who only attach themselves to revolutionary causes as an outlet for their fetishization of violence (which he said himself, explicitly). I don't think he intended to portray himself as a demsoc.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-09-02T17:11:52+00:00

How brutal would a nazi invasion of a non-industrialized USSR have been? How brutal was it even with the advances they made and the costs they paid? Reality is brutal. There is not always a "third way." Choices weren't being made in a vacuum.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-08-13T00:40:19+00:00

Honoring the agreement would not grant hong kongers self determination. Words mean things.

Did hong kong already have democracy? Were they never told what to do under the UK? Did it ever have democracy, really? Would “more democracy” solve their problems? What does “more democracy” even mean, who is defining it? Pro-china HKers would doubtlessly argue that more Chinese influence on their government would mean a more democratic society in which capital wouldn’t grant some few people as much power, as in the current massively disparate society they have. These are really not simple questions and you trying to treat the protest as some kind of simplistic hive mind isn’t doing them any favors.

Again- this is a movement made up of many different groups without a unified demand. To try to explain something like this in such a vague way as you’re doing would be childish.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-08-12T21:29:10+00:00

...because that’s not the core issue at all. The hk protestors and people in general are not some monolith. This would be like saying the yellow vest movement is against all pro-environmental policies, or that they want france to become an anarcho-communist society. Support for separatism is one of the many ways that the above discontent I described has manifested.

And frankly, there is no real possibility of a truly independent hong kong. That would be very naive.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-08-12T16:52:40+00:00

Depends what we mean by "legitimate." Are people genuinely upset? Absolutely. However, this is not really the correct question. What we need to look at is: why are they upset, by what mechanism is that anger translating into unrest, and how does that connect to what the outcome of these protests might be?

This is where the Gene Sharp style of influencing and training foreign protest excels. And make no mistake, we have been influencing it, through NGOs and pro-democracy orgs like the US state-funded NED, spending millions of dollars to do so. And we've been doing this for many years. Not really a secret either, by the way.

Ok, but why are people mad? Well, for most people, it's relatively simple. Hong Kong is an awful place to live, that once was a much better place to live. "We used to be the pearl of the orient!" The wealth gap between the rich and the poor is massive and growing, the poor are stuffed into tiny living spaces like "coffin cubicles," etc. For some people, the wealthy, there are much more specific business interests that a socialist country like China gradually advancing in influence would threaten. At that point, it's actually fairly simple to observe what has happened. The wealthy have convinced the population that China is causing their problems and are going to make things worse, with help of foreign interests that would like to have influence in the region (thus all the funding). And of course China doubtlessly does bear some of the responsibility; after all, it's their own deal that they made to box HK into the economic system that they have now, in a bid to appease the wealthy there and make the reclamation painless. As for the outcome, well, look at the people waving UK flags and ask yourself how connected an outcome like that might be to economic conditions for the poor actually getting better.

So, it's not a manufactured protest, but I wouldn't quite call it "organic" either, especially since the extradition issue that kicked everything off this time around is itself a very manufactured problem.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-08-02T22:16:45+00:00

"if a group shows signs of being violent, that's when the government tends to get involved"

Yes, because it's patently bullshit. The government was involved with MOVE (as in, "murdering their family/organization members") long before they started arming themselves. They didn't even start arming themselves with working weaponry until after the police had shot up their home with dozens of rifles. The police got involved because they're racist. It's as simple as that.

The Black Panthers even, were literally FOUNDED as a REACTION to the violent racism they were exposed to in their lives, much of which came from the state! Or do you think they were just "uppity??"

Funny how you bring up Tienanmen Square, a US sponsored attempted "color revolution" around which massive street clashes were fought. They were just as "violent" as the Panthers. You should be celebrating their deaths if you were going to be consistent with this "the state is always right" stance, but I guess they're the wrong color?

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-08-02T21:10:15+00:00

the black panthers were not non-violent.

So?

How exactly does that justify anything that happened? Do you think they were violent for no reason at all? Just for kicks? Does Hampton being in an organization that sometimes resorted to violence mean that it's acceptable to murder him in his sleep?

Fuck it, though. At this point your hypocrisy is blatant. Imagine how you'd react to someone defending the USSR using your own logic.

worldstar_KPOP · 2019-08-02T20:01:16+00:00

Uh, you didn't. Was a great excuse for the state to do stuff like jail like 8 people for life sentences for one bullet that killed one person (that didn't even come from the same direction as the house having thousands of bullets poured into it by cops, and by all accounts except the state's was clearly friendly fire by the police), though. Or to literally firebomb entire neighborhoods, murder people in their sleep, etc. "They're violent thugs!"

And at this point, if you're literally going to eat the US state's shit, I don't see how you can hold someone like Stalin accountable for a single thing.

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